Club Obi Wan

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I wouldn't say that they are the holy grail, but they are now a much better option than before. They have come a long way. From what I am seeing, their hats are the best that they have been since they originally made them. I do think that other makers do a better overall job and I think that has a l...

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Wow... complete loss for words. Sometimes you take for granted the amazing people that are part of something you love. Peter has been around in my costume/hobby journey since the beginning. Never got to meet him but did get to chat over email about jackets. I am saddened to see another pillar of our...

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I am finally working on Last Crusade gear and ordered this jacket myself, grats!!

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Thanks guys for the replies.

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Looks outstanding!!

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After all these years I am strongly considering putting together a LC Indy. Been out of the loop for a while, what's the go to jacket these days?

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Does anyone have any links to affordable, "close enough" Indy shirts in Ladies sizing?

Thanks!!

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PLATON wrote:Hey Zendragon, moses borrowed that photo to show that the yoke seam placement of the Imam house jacket differs from the Bantu jacket. I amde that photo to use for some other matter which is off topic.

Ok that's what I thought.

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I don't think those are the two jackets in question. The TN shouldn't even be in there, but I think someone grabbed that shot to use with the Bantu jacket for comparison. Well I'm lost. According to _ these two jackets are one and the same!!! (Sorry for stealing your pic, Platon) http://img265.image...

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You sure? Cause I gathered something different from _'s post. At this point, I think we are all unsure and lost and _ has got his feet up on his desk and he is laughing his butt off :lol: :rolling: I had a thought. I think it has come up before. The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the v...

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Location shots by Bantu = Original Hero... On-Screen Bantu = Martin Grace's first Leather Concessionaires jacket from the mismatched order... Hawaii Location = Martin Grace's Hero Replica from third order... :TOH: This doesn't add up. If this is true, the jacket with HF sitting by the Bantu, well t...

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I had a thought. I think it has come up before. The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the version that is seen at Bantu. It looks like or is similar to the one that _ examined that the G&B's were modeled after. It may look like the one that was auctioned off....looks like the early We...

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coming into this thread late, but all of the behind the scenes stuff is more interesting than which jacket was used to me anyway. Although that is interesting too... While this whole concept seems unbelievable....and doesn't make sense from our perspective... questions like "why not just skip t...

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very nice!!

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Ok, guys. Here you have some more pictures I took today (I hope you like them, Tibor): http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss286/Raskolnikov_photo/After%20some%20months/?action=view&current=P1010428.jpg http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss286/Raskolnikov_photo/After%20some%20months/?action=view...

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Outstanding!! Gratz

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I am not going to put brands, just real general price estimates. Raiders style here. uh, todd's doesnt offer pants, and the standard jacket was $150 last I checked. Yea, those aren't Todd quotes, just some rough numbers on what you could do with averages. You could go cheaper depending on what you ...

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If you smoke... quit that and you can buy all sorts of gear :D The IndyGear hobby is like any other collecting. Don't ask Star Wars people what they have spent, or heck, my variety of prop replicas and costume items, I don't even want to think about it. But you could spend money on worse things. For...

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An earlier version of the pockets too. More LC than raiders, almost square with long flaps. Rundquist had a jacket that looked like this too - a prototype, perhaps... A nice thing. I don't know the full history of it, I know that there were changes made to their pattern after this jacket. I am not ...

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Congratz!!

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Raider S wrote:Great jacket although I don't see much more texture (or "different" texture) than a USW I got last summer or other standard leathers. Looks nice and soft, though.

That may be. I was just noting the texture in comparison to some of the smoother offerings out there

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RCSignals wrote:Interesting jacket. It looks fairly 'Bantu Wind' like in design other than strap anchoring

Agreed

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I got this jacket back in 2001 from Lee Keppler and to my knowledge, it was a second or something back then. It was a 42 made to measure and I guess it didn't fit. Anyway, I don't wear it much, it doesn't fit me that well either, but I thought I would take some pics to share. Note the leather though...

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Wow looks awesome!!

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Wow great find!! Looks awesome

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Wow amazing info!! Thanks KT for your time on this and I have to say, this might be the most interesting thread that I have read in a long time.

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I was just talking to someone about measurements the other day, funny. I have a 42 made to measure that is huge on me in the chest. Maybe some people with 44s have them because you fit a 44 in the shoulders and then they are tailored down? Regarding Ford, I would bet that he is smaller now. Bone str...

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That's a great looking hat.

Gratz!

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As you know most people have trouble discerning probability from certainty as this is a trait deeply imbedded in the human psyche. I know you dislike this, otherwise you wouldn't question the claims of those who do, but I believe it would be better to replace claims of certainty for claims of proba...

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Zen, I understand your point but I think that you are also defending your position in a way that, somehow, could be considered as one-sided as the one you are denouncing. You have decided to be in the side of those who will always be skeptic… Let me explain you why I think this and, please, don't c...

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I have had vendors make mistakes, it happens. The sign of the good ones are the ones that go out of their way to make it right. To me, this would include covering return shipping, making a jacket in the mean time while that one is being returned (it sounds like they will need to remake it) and all o...

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But you obviously do have an opinion on it, or you wouldn't be constantly arguing about it and stating an opinion. "But when someone like yourself speaks to something as if it is fact when it is not, I will argue against that :) " Someone like me? I'd have more respect for that if I saw y...

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What the :shock: QC does seem to be an issue here. Something like that on a custom should never even get out. If you haven't already, I would contact Wested to have that dealt with ASAP. I hate it when stuff like this happens too, you get all excited about getting the item you have been waiting for ...

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Zen, could I respectfully ask you to maybe not read these threads for a while.........I worry for your health.......there is a 'Red Bull' toxicity level.......it does get tiresome hearing you go in the same circle,over and over and over.........thanks [-o< hahahahaahha.... I guess I wouldn't have t...

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a hide that is not shrunken lamb isn't going to change into shunken lamb mysteriously after 30 years, just as it isn't going to stop being shrunken lamb after 30 years. "but you can't add the "indeed" to it." Yes, I can, and did. "Can he feel that he is 99% positive and bet...

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So yes Zen. It does come down to who you believe or want to believe and who has credibility in each person's mind. For me personally it is clear where the lack of credibility lies. For me, Tony isn't the one trying to hold up the world is flat theory. For me, he provided to be a source with what I ...

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This jacket really looks great in photos. It really looks the part.

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.......... Ok, my time line and interpretation may be off. What does that show though? In the end, we still have a guy, who wasn't a witness to what type of leather jackets that were provided pre-distressing 30 years ago? So even though he is saying that he is certain that it is shrunken lamb, he c...

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I think what it comes down to is whether you believe what you are told or not. If you do, then there aren't many arguments that will change your mind. Didn't you go to visit Tony in person? If you haven't taken the time yourself to at least ask questions directly, why the argument? I mean, what's a...

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:lol: Dude! I am relaxed. I have nothing to not be relaxed about. Your time line is off, and interpretation is off. TN had the jacket long before his old friend moved into the spot across the alley from him. TN did not consult with him about what the jacket was made from, he didn't need to. He disc...

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There was a golden opportunity for a vendor to answer questions about the leather, among other questions. On nearly all gear issues it's been shown (and repeated) looking at photos will never be definitive. Consider talking to someone who knows tanning (not a jacket maker, but a tanner) and also ta...

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.......... In TN's case, sure he knows leather, but not like a tanner would for example, so I don't think I would call him an expert. Expert in jacket making... yes, expert in fitting a piece of clothing to your body type, yes... but it sounds to me that when he needs an expert in leather, he consu...

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There have got to be plenty of tanneries out there who can enlighten us, maybe not those guys, but if we talked to several tanneries, leather shops etc... we should be albe to get a better idea as to what might have been available at that time 30 years ago, what shrunken lamb is, if it's properties...

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I know a bunch of guys around here had done some artificial distressing of their Westeds years ago, I wonder if any care to post photos of their work.

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Well, speaking from my own personal research and experience in this study, I've found each tannery seems to have its own vocabulary when it comes to describer words regarding their wares. As you've read, Peter called the leather 'crisp', Tony called it 'shrunken', a tannery I spoke to locally never...

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Zen, as I recall Peter saying on several occasions, those businesses you mentioned have been out of business since the early 80's. That's why he's had to source his leather from Italy and South America in past years. Regards! Michaelson There have got to be plenty of tanneries out there who can enl...

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Here we go again on 'opinion'. What about a person who has worked with shrunken lamb for 30 years examining a leather jacket and declaring it to be made of shrunken lamb? Is that simple opinion or expert opinion? It has been well established in these discussions that shrunken lamb is unique in it's...

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I think that crismans is right. We all have our opinions and theories, no amount of screen grabs will change that. In the end, no matter how you look at it, all just opinions. The arguments will go back and forth until maybe one day we find out for sure...but until then, those who believe that the l...

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And that would be your choice, but sadly, no more reliable. Basically you have one person's opinion and one persons 30 year old memories. Now mind you, I certainly respect TN's opinion, and he may be right, but it is still just that. And with Peter, well, I am not sure what to think is the correct ...

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30 years is a long time to remember anything. ... As far as I can tell, there is no evidence to say that they are shrunken or smooth. Peter says a little bit of both and TN, well that's an opinion from a guy who didn't work on Raider's, based on what he sees on screen and the jacket he copied. Cons...

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