The Bantu Wind discussions
Moderators: Indiana Jeff, Mike, Indydawg
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
thanks, do you think the auction jacket was an authentic 'Grace'jacket and if so that makes at least 3 for him........
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
If the still photo is original 'hero' and Grace Hawaii jacket a copy of it and one TN had why the difference in the yoke heights ??_ wrote:Location shots by Bantu = Original Hero...Hatch wrote:_ , was the Bantu wind jacket with Ford sitting on the dock photo with the low yoke the prototype or a possible Wilsons .....why are most of other shots and the Hawaii jacket higher yoked ........thanks
On-Screen Bantu = Martin Grace's first Leather Concessionaires jacket from the mismatched order...
Hawaii Location = Martin Grace's Hero Replica from third order...
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
_ wrote : My “basis” for comparison was my “disco-lambskin” Wested. I was still a “believer” and had not realized yet that my Wested was not an accurate jacket. I say that to explain why I was impressed by the degree of graining on the jacket – some of which I would explain by the desiccation. It was heavily grained, ala the “dino-hide” I saw come out of Tony’s shop…
VERY interesting about the 'grain' .....have you gotten a 'Shrunken lamb' yet, or been to TN's facility to see it ?
VERY interesting about the 'grain' .....have you gotten a 'Shrunken lamb' yet, or been to TN's facility to see it ?
Last edited by Hatch on Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:43 am, edited 2 times in total.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
_ wrote:
A "copy" to Leather Concessionaires may generally pass for a "copy" to the script supervisor, but not to us...
And the wardrobe budget was blown...
And there was no more time to richard-around with jackets...
And who in their right mind would ever notice? (grin)
Just us 'True Believers'......can I get an AMEN BROTHER.....
A "copy" to Leather Concessionaires may generally pass for a "copy" to the script supervisor, but not to us...
And the wardrobe budget was blown...
And there was no more time to richard-around with jackets...
And who in their right mind would ever notice? (grin)
Just us 'True Believers'......can I get an AMEN BROTHER.....
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
If by still photo you mean the sitting on the dock waiting (on a 'set') wearing the low yoke jacket, that jacket I think _ said is one of he 'wrong' jackets from the second order. So it wouldn't be the Hero.Hatch wrote:If the still photo is original 'hero' and Grace Hawaii jacket a copy of it and one TN had why the difference in the yoke heights ??_ wrote:Location shots by Bantu = Original Hero...Hatch wrote:_ , was the Bantu wind jacket with Ford sitting on the dock photo with the low yoke the prototype or a possible Wilsons .....why are most of other shots and the Hawaii jacket higher yoked ........thanks
On-Screen Bantu = Martin Grace's first Leather Concessionaires jacket from the mismatched order...
Hawaii Location = Martin Grace's Hero Replica from third order...
In the 'location' photos Holt posted though, which is supposed to be the Hero' the jacket does appear to have a low yoke too but that might just be more illusion.
I wonder if any of those low yoke jackets were used up in the truck drag scenes and getting ready for it? Although we don't really see HF wearing a low yoke jacket in those.
If there were it might account for some of the poor shape of the jacket _ examined and Terry Leonard's name written in it.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Ah right. I remember now, you had talked abut a B3 then your Areo Bronco A2 in Sheepskin. That must be a reproduction? I didn't think know any WW2 original A2s were sheepskin unless custom made._ wrote:I think I picked up the questions asked of me directly - let me know if I missed something...
Bullitt wrote:I wonder what the texture of the jacket _ examined was like. I mean there are a number of people here who actually saw and/or handled the film jackets in person. So why is this shrunken lamb discussion so recent? Was the texture of these jackets previously mistaken for a result of the distressing process and the general age of these jackets?The jacket was in pretty poor shape because of how it was stored – for the most part desiccated. It was about to be restored. Also, I was not allowed to “handle” it because of the condition. It was “handled” for me by one of the owner’s sons.Dutch_jones wrote:_,
Regarding the jacket you examined in 2000: You said you were wearing (or had with you ) at the time a Wested jacket ? Was it a lamb jacket? And when you examined it, did you see any major differences in the texture of the hide between the two? In terms of grain etc?
My “basis” for comparison was my “disco-lambskin” Wested. I was still a “believer” and had not realized yet that my Wested was not an accurate jacket. I say that to explain why I was impressed by the degree of graining on the jacket – some of which I would explain by the desiccation. It was heavily grained, ala the “dino-hide” I saw come out of Tony’s shop…
Not a B3. That was the hide on an A2, i.e. no shearling…RCSignals wrote:…and _ posted a photo of a piece of a B3 to show what the skin of it looked like. You say you know it matches a Raiders jacket. That's pretty funny too
There must have been enough significant changes/differences to cause her to order three more jackets. That also must have given the accountant fits_ wrote:No mods – Kelly placed the order based on the “One”… The “changes” were those of “natural variation” that we see coming out of Wested generally. Collar/stormflap placement… Pocket placement… Side-strap configuration… Just general details only geeks like us spot…Dutch_jones wrote:_ this might have been covered before. But the prototype jacket that arrived in La Rochelle, was the One we see in the movie right? Were any changes made after receiving that jacket for the rest? (Might have been covered before) just trying to make some sense of a few loose ends around here.
Does she remember how many of the 10 jackets were unusable for filming?
- Kt Templar
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 4715
- Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:32 am
- Location: London.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
The tiny amount that these additional jackets cost would not have broken any banks.
- binkmeisterRick
- Stealer of Wallets
- Posts: 16926
- Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:22 pm
- Location: Chattering with these old bones
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
That's assuming they would charge the costumer the same as we can buy a Wested today. (On top of that, I'm sure filming schedules and how quickly they could get jackets also came into play.) I do remember Steve Delk sharing that Bernie was surprised how little Steve charged for his hats. He charged them the same as he charges us. Bernie apparently implied that Steve could inflate the price dramatically for the hats, but Steve refused to do so. I'm sure the practice is commonplace in the movie industry. Besides that, if a significant number of jackets were "defective," why pay for even more of the same?Kt Templar wrote:The tiny amount that these additional jackets cost would not have broken any banks.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Except they were already over budget, had already bought 10 Wilson's jackets and had to get approval to buy 10 more jackets from B+N.Kt Templar wrote:The tiny amount that these additional jackets cost would not have broken any banks.
Add in the cost of building a Bantu Wind set and 3 more jackets is a bigger event suddenly.
- Kt Templar
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 4715
- Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:32 am
- Location: London.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Yes, but from what I've heard filmakers get charged the same as us mere mortals, by Peter that is.binkmeisterRick wrote:That's assuming they would charge the costumer the same as we can buy a Wested today. (On top of that, I'm sure filming schedules and how quickly they could get jackets also came into play.) I do remember Steve Delk sharing that Bernie was surprised how little Steve charged for his hats. He charged them the same as he charges us. Bernie apparently implied that Steve could inflate the price dramatically for the hats, but Steve refused to do so. I'm sure the practice is commonplace in the movie industry. Besides that, if a significant number of jackets were "defective," why pay for even more of the same?Kt Templar wrote:The tiny amount that these additional jackets cost would not have broken any banks.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
The sitting on the dock waiting photo is the one that's been identified as the 'set' and it's the jacket of the topic with the low yoke etc. That's the photo that wouldn't be the 'Hero'_ wrote:Nope - We speculated, but both Kimball and Nadoolman confirmed Deb put the Hero on him there on location. That's the hero. Whatever you're seeing there - you ain't seeing...RCSignals wrote:If by still photo you mean the sitting on the dock waiting (on a 'set') wearing the low yoke jacket, that jacket I think _ said is one of he 'wrong' jackets from the second order. So it wouldn't be the Hero.
It's not just me seeing it.
Maybe Kimball and Nadoolman need to see that photo and the jacket photos of the rest of the movie.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Sure KT but Peter was charging B+N who in their turn charged the filmakers I don't know what.Yes, but from what I've heard filmakers get charged the same as us mere mortals, by Peter that is.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Maybe Kimball and Nadoolman don't even know what the yoke is. (TN was calling it something else)
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I think you misunderstood me. I am saying that there is some other term for "yoke" in American english, which explains why TN was calling it otherwise. So I meant If you were to ask them about the "yoke", maybe they wouldn't be sure what exactly you talk about.Platon? I just don't know how to answer when you say things like that... It's like saying that maybe the guys at Mercedes don't know what the engine block is on my car, so I should listen to the guy who talks to himself in front of the Starbucks... What am I supposed to do with that?
What was that other name TN was using for the yoke, anyone?
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I had a thought. I think it has come up before.
The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the version that is seen at Bantu. It looks like or is similar to the one that _ examined that the G&B's were modeled after. It may look like the one that was auctioned off....looks like the early Westeds and Keppler
Maybe we are going about this all wrong. Maybe the hero plus 3 that were ordered to match it all had the features of the Bantu. What we see that is in many of the other shots in Raiders... maybe a combination of those other 10 jackets.
Perhaps the original intention is that the hero had the lower yoke and the one we think of being correct is in fact wrong.
Just a thought.
The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the version that is seen at Bantu. It looks like or is similar to the one that _ examined that the G&B's were modeled after. It may look like the one that was auctioned off....looks like the early Westeds and Keppler
Maybe we are going about this all wrong. Maybe the hero plus 3 that were ordered to match it all had the features of the Bantu. What we see that is in many of the other shots in Raiders... maybe a combination of those other 10 jackets.
Perhaps the original intention is that the hero had the lower yoke and the one we think of being correct is in fact wrong.
Just a thought.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Can someone please post a pic of Ford in a low yoke jacket in the movie........
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
So low yoke and lined up arm seams and yoke seams were on the 'Original 'Hero' ..........just trying to get my head straight......
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
That's already been dismissed. The jacket we see in Bantu with the low yoke is from the second order per _ in posts above. The question now is which jacket we see in Bantu is having this optical illusion effect.Zendragon wrote:I had a thought. I think it has come up before.
The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the version that is seen at Bantu. It looks like or is similar to the one that _ examined that the G&B's were modeled after. It may look like the one that was auctioned off....looks like the early Westeds and Keppler
Maybe we are going about this all wrong. Maybe the hero plus 3 that were ordered to match it all had the features of the Bantu. What we see that is in many of the other shots in Raiders... maybe a combination of those other 10 jackets.
Perhaps the original intention is that the hero had the lower yoke and the one we think of being correct is in fact wrong.
Just a thought.
It was first the photos Holt posted now it's being said it's the 'sitting on the dock' still.
Low yoke equals either a Wilson's or one of the 'off' jackets from the second order and we only see those in Bantu and the Truck scene
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
No that's the odd ball jackets in the second order. Otherwise the prototype 'Hero' has lost all significance compared to what is shown throughout the movie.Hatch wrote:So low yoke and lined up arm seams and yoke seams were on the 'Original 'Hero' ..........just trying to get my head straight......
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Platon where have you heard Tony call the 'yoke' something else? Did you talk to him or see someone else post it?PLATON wrote:I think you misunderstood me. I am saying that there is some other term for "yoke" in American english, which explains why TN was calling it otherwise. So I meant If you were to ask them about the "yoke", maybe they wouldn't be sure what exactly you talk about.Platon? I just don't know how to answer when you say things like that... It's like saying that maybe the guys at Mercedes don't know what the engine block is on my car, so I should listen to the guy who talks to himself in front of the Starbucks... What am I supposed to do with that?
What was that other name TN was using for the yoke, anyone?
I've seen it referred to as 'upper back panel'
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
This oneHatch wrote:Can someone please post a pic of Ford in a low yoke jacket in the movie........
andPLATON wrote:I sure you haven't noticed this.
Well, maybe some of you have, but I am not aware of anyone pointing it out before.
The jacket shown in the photo below has a remarkably low yoke in comparison with what we are used to when we refer to the movie.
Just notice where the pleat starts!!
Indiana Holt wrote:oh,and just to answer your question platon. I knew this allready.and I have pointed it out somewere before ;-)
here are some picture of the bantu wind scene.
low yolk. period!
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
This doesn't add up._ wrote: Location shots by Bantu = Original Hero...
On-Screen Bantu = Martin Grace's first Leather Concessionaires jacket from the mismatched order...
Hawaii Location = Martin Grace's Hero Replica from third order...
If this is true, the jacket with HF sitting by the Bantu, well that's the original hero. We know that the Hawaii location isn't a Bantu type jacket... but you say that this is a hero replica, which means it should have looked like the Bantu.
Or did I miss something.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
You sure? Cause I gathered something different from _'s post. At this point, I think we are all unsure and lost and _ has got his feet up on his desk and he is laughing his butt off
RCSignals wrote:That's already been dismissed. The jacket we see in Bantu with the low yoke is from the second order per _ in posts above. The question now is which jacket we see in Bantu is having this optical illusion effect.Zendragon wrote:I had a thought. I think it has come up before.
The original hero, at least it sounds like it is the version that is seen at Bantu. It looks like or is similar to the one that _ examined that the G&B's were modeled after. It may look like the one that was auctioned off....looks like the early Westeds and Keppler
Maybe we are going about this all wrong. Maybe the hero plus 3 that were ordered to match it all had the features of the Bantu. What we see that is in many of the other shots in Raiders... maybe a combination of those other 10 jackets.
Perhaps the original intention is that the hero had the lower yoke and the one we think of being correct is in fact wrong.
Just a thought.
It was first the photos Holt posted now it's being said it's the 'sitting on the dock' still.
Low yoke equals either a Wilson's or one of the 'off' jackets from the second order and we only see those in Bantu and the Truck scene
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I think what you missed is that there was an 'on location' shooting for Bantu, and an 'on set' studio shooting. Different jackets were used in each.Zendragon wrote:This doesn't add up._ wrote: Location shots by Bantu = Original Hero...
On-Screen Bantu = Martin Grace's first Leather Concessionaires jacket from the mismatched order...
Hawaii Location = Martin Grace's Hero Replica from third order...
If this is true, the jacket with HF sitting by the Bantu, well that's the original hero. We know that the Hawaii location isn't a Bantu type jacket... but you say that this is a hero replica, which means it should have looked like the Bantu.
Or did I miss something.
The 'location' shoot was the Hero. The 'on set' studio was the 'second order' mismatch jacket.
_ is saying the low yoke we see in the jacket Ford wears sitting isn't really there, and the low yoke we see 'on screen' that Holt posted is there because it's a second order jacket.
Last edited by RCSignals on Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Museum Curator
- Posts: 1438
- Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:59 pm
- Location: Holland
- Contact:
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I see this come up a lot:
the Wested of Today is not the same company as it was when Raiders was made, are we to believe that this company has been sending mis matched jackets all along? Did B&N not look the jackets over before providing them to the set?
What about LC mis matched jackets too?
the Wested of Today is not the same company as it was when Raiders was made, are we to believe that this company has been sending mis matched jackets all along? Did B&N not look the jackets over before providing them to the set?
What about LC mis matched jackets too?
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Well I'm lost. According to _ these two jackets are one and the same!!! (Sorry for stealing your pic, Platon)
Sure does look like the yoke placements are very different!
Sure does look like the yoke placements are very different!
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Well can't be the Imam's house jacket cause that had a high yoke.I had a chat with Kelly and asked, "Is there one sequence where you could swear that Ford is wearing the original hero jacket?" The Imam's house... That's the hero. That is the jacket he's wearing in those location stills on the dock next to the Bantu. If you see something different - it is lighting and imagination...
That should stir the pot...
See the photo above. What do you think?
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I think _ is saying the Imam's house jacket is the Hero and should have a high yoke.PLATON wrote:Well can't be the Imam's house jacket cause that had a high yoke.I had a chat with Kelly and asked, "Is there one sequence where you could swear that Ford is wearing the original hero jacket?" The Imam's house... That's the hero. That is the jacket he's wearing in those location stills on the dock next to the Bantu. If you see something different - it is lighting and imagination...
That should stir the pot...
Look at the 000 on the left for comparison.
What do you think?
_ is saying the Bantu jacket we see on Ford sitting on the dock is the location shot therefore the 'Hero' and has a high yoke, we are just seeing things wrong.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Just glad to know that the 'original maker' has maintained their same level of 'quality control ' for 28 years........looks like Deb got about 4 usable jackets out of 14 ordered.....about same as 'spected ' jackets recently.........
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Here's a clearer shot of the yoke
2 at 2 wrong?
Say we see the sitting at the dock photo wrong. But what about the 'Holt' screen shot. That's wrong too?I think _ is saying the Imam's house jacket is the Hero and should have a high yoke.
_ is saying the Bantu jacket we see on Ford sitting on the dock is the location shot therefore the 'Hero' and has a high yoke, we are just seeing things wrong.
2 at 2 wrong?
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I think we are dealing with photo distortion there. The screen shot is elongated in height and the inset is also off proportion from the original, shortened in height.moses wrote:Well I'm lost. According to _ these two jackets are one and the same!!! (Sorry for stealing your pic, Platon)
What is the point of that photo with the smaller one inset?
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Man, I wish 5 o'clock would hurry up.......I need a drink....
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
yes these two jackets are the same.moses wrote:Well I'm lost. According to _ these two jackets are one and the same!!! (Sorry for stealing your pic, Platon)
Sure does look like the yoke placements are very different!
what most people tend to forget when comparing photos with screen grabs is the camera angels and distances. when comparing photos and screen grabs like it is shown above is like comparing oranges to apples. wheter its yolk height or jacket length.. when you are going to compare you HAVE to have the right angels and distances, if you dont have that, you have nothing!
Keep that in mind 'experts'
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I read somewhere Peter did not have any patterns for the Raiders jacket, because he knew what changes had to be made to the James Dean jacket he was gonna base it off. With LC coming along he may have seen the need to get patterns this time around.Dutch_jones wrote:I see this come up a lot:
the Wested of Today is not the same company as it was when Raiders was made, are we to believe that this company has been sending mis matched jackets all along? Did B&N not look the jackets over before providing them to the set?
What about LC mis matched jackets too?
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
After today's go around I feel like Indy in the burning Bar as he pulls himself up and says "whiskeeeeey"
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Actual eyewitness testimonies are no match from the wisdom one draws from scrutinizing grainy stills.
There's no way the Bantu Wind was built on set, it's too big. Just like the Temple of Doom, which was shot in an actual mine in India...
There's no way the Bantu Wind was built on set, it's too big. Just like the Temple of Doom, which was shot in an actual mine in India...
- Michaelson
- Knower of Things
- Posts: 44484
- Joined: Tue Jun 25, 2002 12:55 pm
- Location: Out here knowing stuff and things and wishing I were with the family at Universal Studios Orlando
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Absolutely!
(You can hide behind the Plymouth now. I won't be leaving work for an hour or so. )
Just to toss this out there....anyone ever hear of blue screen?
Regards! Michaelson
(You can hide behind the Plymouth now. I won't be leaving work for an hour or so. )
Just to toss this out there....anyone ever hear of blue screen?
Regards! Michaelson
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I don't think those are the two jackets in question. The TN shouldn't even be in there, but I think someone grabbed that shot to use with the Bantu jacket for comparison.
Indiana Holt wrote:yes these two jackets are the same.moses wrote:Well I'm lost. According to _ these two jackets are one and the same!!! (Sorry for stealing your pic, Platon)
Sure does look like the yoke placements are very different!
what most people tend to forget when comparing photos with screen grabs is the camera angels and distances. when comparing photos and screen grabs like it is shown above is like comparing oranges to apples. wheter its yolk height or jacket length.. when you are going to compare you HAVE to have the right angels and distances, if you dont have that, you have nothing!
Keep that in mind 'experts'
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
But we are talking about a jacket, which will fit on a set
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Hey Zendragon, moses borrowed that photo to show that the yoke seam placement of the Imam house jacket differs from the Bantu jacket. I amde that photo to use for some other matter which is off topic.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Ok that's what I thought.PLATON wrote:Hey Zendragon, moses borrowed that photo to show that the yoke seam placement of the Imam house jacket differs from the Bantu jacket. I amde that photo to use for some other matter which is off topic.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
As far as Bantu scenes go they are not the two jackets in question.Zendragon wrote:I don't think those are the two jackets in question. The TN shouldn't even be in there, but I think someone grabbed that shot to use with the Bantu jacket for comparison.
Indiana Holt wrote:
yes these two jackets are the same.
what most people tend to forget when comparing photos with screen grabs is the camera angels and distances. when comparing photos and screen grabs like it is shown above is like comparing oranges to apples. wheter its yolk height or jacket length.. when you are going to compare you HAVE to have the right angels and distances, if you dont have that, you have nothing!
Keep that in mind 'experts'
Holt is just answering that the two jackets in that photo are in fact the same as far as size of details goes. He's telling us the camera has had an effect.
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Isn't that the same conclusion the Warren Commission arrived at with regard to the Zapruder film?gobo wrote:Actual eyewitness testimonies are no match from the wisdom one draws from scrutinizing grainy stills.
- Mac
-
- Professor of Archaeology
- Posts: 759
- Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:04 am
- Location: www.australianmodelhat.com
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
_ - it seems we may have some common acquaintances. Just as way of confirmation if you don't mind - next time you're speaking to Spielberg - could I get you to ask him about the circumstances by which he met a guy called Robert Raymond, and the sorts of things they discussed.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
I think that's a whole other forumMac wrote:Isn't that the same conclusion the Warren Commission arrived at with regard to the Zapruder film?gobo wrote:Actual eyewitness testimonies are no match from the wisdom one draws from scrutinizing grainy stills.
- Mac
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
Well, since you asked _!
This quote has me a bit confused:
This quote has me a bit confused:
Is the reshoot you are referring to here, the Bantu Wind dock reshoot?The third order (three hero replicas) was not received until a few days after the studio shooting began, and Pamela Mann (Script Supervisor) was confident they did the reshoot on day-one.
-
- Legendary Adventurer
- Posts: 3665
- Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm
- Location: Twin Galaxies
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
The Bantu re-shoot took place day one of the studio shooting not day one of filming? How long after the Bantu filming did studio shooting begin?
As far as jackets go, for the first few days all they had was the Hero and whatever jackets of the second order of 10 matched it the closest?
We don't see the low yoke Bantu again until the truck scenes.
How's that for questions
As far as jackets go, for the first few days all they had was the Hero and whatever jackets of the second order of 10 matched it the closest?
We don't see the low yoke Bantu again until the truck scenes.
How's that for questions
-
- Professor of Archaeology
- Posts: 759
- Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:04 am
- Location: www.australianmodelhat.com
Re: I guess you didn't know this - The Bantu Wind jacket
That IS true, but without ANY notice? Maybe 24?
Whole sets must be designed and built, normally with weeks of prep. Especially when you're building a whole side of a ship with deck and bridge. And this is in England, with strict Union rules. No weird / extended hours without warning.
Even if it could be done, like get dozens of people in to get the work done in that time; it would cost big dollars, which sorts of defeats the point, doesn't it? Where could you hide all of those construction wages, additional variations to suppliers' engagements and so on in a balance sheet? Makes the argument of the giveaway being a piece of camera kit a bit miniscule doesn't it?
And how do the rust stains on the ship etc. match perfectly from what you say is the original location shoot to what you say is the studio?
Whew. Time for a glass of Benriach.
Whole sets must be designed and built, normally with weeks of prep. Especially when you're building a whole side of a ship with deck and bridge. And this is in England, with strict Union rules. No weird / extended hours without warning.
Even if it could be done, like get dozens of people in to get the work done in that time; it would cost big dollars, which sorts of defeats the point, doesn't it? Where could you hide all of those construction wages, additional variations to suppliers' engagements and so on in a balance sheet? Makes the argument of the giveaway being a piece of camera kit a bit miniscule doesn't it?
And how do the rust stains on the ship etc. match perfectly from what you say is the original location shoot to what you say is the studio?
Whew. Time for a glass of Benriach.