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I graduated h.s. in '71, so you're probably a bit older.

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I just went through all Rundquist's posts. He doesn't mention the turn until 2009. I did the initial research on the turn, late 2002, early 2003. I coined the terms "Riaders Turn" and "TheTurn" but those posts got hacked out of existence. Rundquist had a problem with my turn theo...

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Steve offered me a hat making job once. Told me he was making the movie hats when that was secret. He was the first person I had a conversation with on the web, at Indyfan in the 90's. I thought I came across him on a hat forum recently. Living in a shack in high desert in the West, in the sweet mid...

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With some bonus material. Did I mention I found the reason for the dent over Indy's right ear in the Streets of Cairo? [https://youtu.be/n6GsMiq-X_I]

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Went ahead and tried to iron the brim. No possible way. HJ sells a Thot hat called the Major. Same ribbon but on a fedora.

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There's this fresh looking Brooks Brothers HJ black HOMBURG been on eBay for 6 months. It had a price drop and I got it. Never got into the Toht hat, but I always thought it was a Homburg. It has a ribbon on the brim edge 1/8 wide on top, 1/2 inch on the bottom, same as the movie hat. So I feel sure...

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Canyon, .. I don't have a choice

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Considering that the 2018 Prop Store auction showed the size 7 1/4 stamped in gold ink with a circle around it on the felt just above the sweatband? I've owned a lot of fur felt HJ's with just a 2x3 inch satin HJ badge glued to the top of crown. Has anyone EVER seen an HJ with a gold size stamped on...

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The Puffa doesn't seem to be the key. I'm thinking maybe wardrobe put a teardrop bash in the Raiders hat. The costume designer said the crown was a little too high. A teardrop bash would be a simple way to lower it. Pretty sure a teardrop was as common as a center dent in 1936. Problem is, I detect ...

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O.K., I think maybe I've figured this out! When I pop up the top on my H.J. Puffa, the crown above the side transition point is a very round dome compared to flatter, squarer open crown Indys. WHY? Because the little dome inside the telescope is shaped to match the curve of the scull and rest on top...

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[https://images.app.goo.gl/f7xbgo3vdTTQrxyi9] The brim had some flange in the back only. It flips up at the base of the crown, like the picture at the 2018 auction house. Diamond shape satin badge inside top, gold letters Herbert Johnson 30 New Bond, with "PUFFA" logo. I don't know if it's...

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You'll have to check Google Images. The one I got ebay pic is still there. It's light grey looking. Says it's a fox hunting hat for some reason.
H. J. Sells a telescope now.

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I've been claiming the Raiders hat once was a telescope crown, for about 18 years, because I observed concentric lines in movie stills. The 2018 auction displayed the hat with a telescope teardrop bash. Fans were outraged the hat had been altered, and the auctioneer protested that the hat had just a...

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Went to ebay yesterday and found a brim flange with more flange in the front and back than the sides. Never got into brim flanges before. Seems there are all possible types. The bumps in my Stetson Indy are only in the front and back, when the brim is flipped down, no bumps in the sides. Go to the t...

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Yeah!, "Hawk bill". I called it "chicken beak" in a long ago post here. The flip in back seems uncharacteristic for the Raiders hat, but the bump in front is the same flange curve that causes the flip in back. My Stetson Indy looks just like this. https://images.propstore.com/488...

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I remember the Raiders hat first auction. All the pictures indicated no brim flange. Most of those pics are on the Indygear fedora page. All the "Indy" fedoras I have owned have a gradual flange, an even curve from crown to edge. Except for a Stetson official Indy. The flange on that hat i...

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You might spray it with a little water and iron it at a low setting, then slowly turn up the heat until you like the results. I'd do it through a paper towel.
Harrison is looking a little bloated in this pic. Haha. Must have stuffed himself at Thanksgiving.

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Sewing is simple. When I was a kid, guys in the Boy Scouts and Military were expected to sew their patches on their uniforms.You can learn basic sewing quickly with youtube videos. Any questions about doing the Cinch, just ask me. :) Couple tips. Soak the thread with spit where you're going to tie a...

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Here's pretty much proof the hat was turned. The back of the brim opposite the front flip is also flipped up. I just checked the back of my hat with a handheld mirror in my bathroom mirror, and I'm seeing the same flip in back. Both flips dissapear when I unturn the hat. https://images.app.goo.gl/yJ...

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I was reading that and a video ad started playing, so I left. Does it really say he made THE original hat? I thought the language was indirect. Never had a beaver hat, I've heard they're stiffer than rabbit, and if there was enough stiffener, I guess it could be as stiff as my hat. I lent my vhs cop...

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ebay hat I bought https://images.app.goo.gl/XysKsB8DrnCcHEHV6

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Wearing the Hirt hat https://images.app.goo.gl/jRqNMSanFGcFjNoH8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Are you kidding? The movie brim starts to flip up at the center front. The Hirt hat is way off. Center front is where it starts to flip on my turned hat automaticly. https://imag...

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My favorite hat after Raiders, got my first one today, used, on ebay. 90% wool 10% rabbit. No brim warp. Never thought the brim warp was due to turning, (to the left this time) but it was! I found out today when I turned it! The hat was too tight for me, but that was just in front and back. There we...

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I was under the impression it was somehow magical and attributed all sorts of nonsensical, unproven characteristics to the hat such as it was made on a unique block This is how I felt too, before I ever posted at Indyfan or Indygear. The hat was indecipherable. Your shrinkage theory is good, and if...

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The whole bottom of the brim is splotchy with fullers earth or Tunisian dust. I can see what you're saying very clearly, unless I think of it as an area with dust next to an area with no dust. There's a picture of the signature at the Prop Store auction site if you want another view. You could be ri...

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I have an official wool Indy hat made by Stetson. Even in sunlight there is no trace of stitches. The COO of the Prop Store said he was "surprised how soft the felt actually is". If the color match is perfect, stitches can sink in and disappear? I just used the one spool of brown thread my...

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Here's the trick to doing "The Raiders Cinch" !!! If your hat has a ribbon, detach the front of the bow and the ribbon there, and all the tacks on the ribbon, so the rear of the bow is the only attachment point. Cinch the ribbon around the crown with the ribbon slid up 1/4 inch front and b...

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These are crummy pics, but whatever. Here's the hat on my head, the dark spots 1/4 inch in front of the ribbon are the stitches holding in the sweatband. The ribbon is the new brim break, and a portion of the sweatband is now the bottom of the brim. http://www.roadrecumbent.com/brimbreak2.jpg http:/...

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Well then! My work is done here.

Let's see some hats with "The Raiders Cinch"!
Remember- it's easy, but if you have a problem, I know the trick.

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Hard to tell for sure. The effect is not extreme or erratic, but can clearly be seen in the photos of the Cairo hat from the auction of a few years back. Jack The brim is wavy, which could be mistaken for a spotty scissors cut from certain angles. http://indygear.com/images/gear/fedora/screenused/S...

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[quote="jlee562"] If the sides were not trimmed, why did Swales invent a whole story about it and do this for customers for decades?[/quote] The first views of the Raiders hat filmed were the Bantu Wind dock, (see the daytime still of Ford sitting and Steven standing by) and the tarantula ...

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The one late 80s--early 90s era HJ I still own (that Swales himself made for me) has a dimensional cut and an unevenly trimmed brim that looks as though it was done by hand with scissors, like the Prop Store auction TOD hat in the recent Adam Savage video. Jack Excelent! ... So why does the brim lo...

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That one is wider on the sides, not front and back. The brim cutter is "C" shaped and will cut the brim at 2 1/2 inches at the front of the block, but the ends of the "C" contact the the block on the sides and push it further away. If narrower sides were purposely requested for b...

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The 'crescent' is much less apparent in other frames. Something is catching the light, so it's very possible that the sweatband is distorted in the way you describe (though as I said, the dark circumference suggests that the sweatband is in the crown). But is it the reason for the dimensional brim ...

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Canyon wrote:
Ah yes...

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Could be the sweat is detatched there. I've got about 5 inches detatched in back, but this would be a lot more. Not impossible though. First thing Ford does when he puts the hat on on top of the Well of souls is hook the back on then pull the rest down. This would keep the sweat from sliding up into...

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Yes. That's it. It looks like the Comic-Con sweat. I should have posted a pic.

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...I guess I am not following you then. Your first post starts discussing the sweatband and brim break. What connection does cinching the ribbon have to crown height? They tightened the ribbon and moved it quarter inch above the brim break. Anything below the ribbon just flared out because it wasn'...

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I haven't watched the Deborah Nadoolman interview lately, but as I remember it, they WANTED the RAIDERS crown to look "too tall." Jack I watched "making of Raiders..." that came with the triology today. Her quote- "..and the crown was a little bit too high" refering to...

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I just can't recall anywhere when Nadoolman hints at anything like detaching the sweatband in back. I think it's possible some of the distressing we see is just the natural/random effects of said distressing process and not necessarily deliberately designed. It strikes me as pretty big leap in logi...

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On the "making of" DVD the costume designer said she needed a "unique" looking hat, and as mentioned above, she said the hat she started with looked too tall. Plus, look at the bow- there are 3 pieces of stray ribbon sticking out from underneath and one stitch is stretched out. I...

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Yes, I think that's why CairoIndy

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Yes Sir. But all they did was tighten the ribbon and slide it up the crown a bit in front and back.

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Thanks IJJTM
Anyone attempting this mod but finding it too difficult? Now you know why maybe it hasn't been seen before. I wonder if there's a secret, easy way to do it. If I could only remember what it was...Hmmmm

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Back too. You can see the brim break is out on the brim like in front in movie stills. The sweat may or may not be attatched in back, because you can see the sweat doesn't curve out onto the brim like in front. My sweat is unattached in back. Don't think it makes a difference but not sure

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Yes and yes. The ribbon is still down to the brim at the bow and Indy's right ear.

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Discovery is the sweatband became part of the brim. Explains what the dimentional cut really was. It's the only hat like it since the Raiders hat, that I've seen, so I discovered it can be done. But yeah, you're right, it's just tightenining the ribbon a lot tighter than you would normally see, slid...

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Thanks Canyon.

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The 2018 Auction and Comic-Con delivered the Raiders Hat super clues. 7 1/4 stamped on the felt, folded sweat and more. I noticed the sweatband wrapped around the brim break which is now the bottom edge of the ribbon - (under the glove). It's a crescent that starts at the front of the bow and ends a...

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