TOD Knife

IdahoJones · Post by **IdahoJones** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:03 am

I was watching TOD tonight and I noticed this knife pop-up on screen. Its in the scene where Indy gets whipped. As the thuggee grabs his whip from the pile of Indy's gear up comes this knife. It seems to be a knife in Indy's possession,(or Short Rounds?) as it was wrapped up in Indy's gun belt. What do you think? It seems to be on a leather string?

More screen captures

http://s537.photobucket.com/albums/ff33 ... D%20Knife/

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:05 am

Ya I have noticed that before, but never really gave it any thought, seeing how it is never seen again. I just assumed it was something Shorty had on him that the Thugee guards took away from him.

Nibs

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:30 am

AAAHHHAHAHHHHHHH!!!

High def and blue ray are going to be the end of the gear heads sanity!!!!

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:53 am

For some reason I always thought Short Round had a little knife. However, I don't know where that conclusion came from. Perhaps it was written in the novelization or script?

BazzanoJones · Post by **BazzanoJones** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:09 pm

Browncoat wrote:For some reason I always thought Short Round had a little knife. However, I don't know where that conclusion came from. Perhaps it was written in the novelization or script?

Yes, in the novelization Shorty had a little knife.

But it's strange that this knife appear only in this scene...maybe this shots was the first to have shooted and then they've decided to eliminate Shorty's weapon from the storyline.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:41 pm

The knife also shows up in the spike chamber.

IdahoJones · Post by **IdahoJones** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:13 pm

indy89 wrote:The knife also shows up in the spike chamber.

On Short Round or Indy? Need to look that scene over

Edit:

Ok its SR knife. Spike room - When Indy tells Willy its a along story you see him hand SR a knife as he was using it to jimmy the spike room mechanism. Mods you can move this over to the other character section if you want. Gotta love DVD

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:02 am

IdahoJones wrote:
indy89 wrote:The knife also shows up in the spike chamber.

On Short Round or Indy? Need to look that scene over

Edit:

Ok its SR knife. Spike room - When Indy tells Willy its a along story you see him hand SR a knife as he was using it to jimmy the spike room mechanism. Mods you can move this over to the other character section if you want. Gotta love DVD

That is what I love about COW- I've seen ToD at LEAST 70 times and yet I didn't know that Shorty's knife was seen anywhere except the whipping scene...until NOW

BTW, you can also see it when they first enter the room (Shorty has it in his hand) and after Willie pulls the fulcrum release lever- on Shorty's belt when he is kneeling down
Nice find Idaho!

Kyle

Indiana Joosse · Post by **Indiana Joosse** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:48 am

Yikes!

Just when you think you've noticed just about everything....

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:07 pm

You NEVER see and notice everything.

IdahoJones · Post by **IdahoJones** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:10 pm

knibs7 wrote:
IdahoJones wrote:
indy89 wrote:The knife also shows up in the spike chamber.

On Short Round or Indy? Need to look that scene over

Edit:

Ok its SR knife. Spike room - When Indy tells Willy its a along story you see him hand SR a knife as he was using it to jimmy the spike room mechanism. Mods you can move this over to the other character section if you want. Gotta love DVD
That is what I love about COW- I've seen ToD at LEAST 70 times and yet I didn't know that Shorty's knife was seen anywhere except the whipping scene...until NOW BTW, you can also see it when they first enter the room (Shorty has it in his hand) and after Willie pulls the fulcrum release lever- on Shorty's belt when he is kneeling down
Nice find Idaho!

Kyle

Gotta love DVD!

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:59 pm

I sees it

DanielJones · Post by **DanielJones** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:01 pm

And there it is. Good screen cap.

What else have we missed and have yet to un cover?

Cheers!

Dan

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:08 pm

what else? hmm.....

if you look very closely you see that there is something different with Indy in the same scene...

but thats of topic...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... cap557.jpg

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:33 pm

Is that HF?....no way, I TOTALLY MISSED THAT!!!! You guys DO have too much time on your hands!!! hahaha

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:24 pm

Actually I find it very cool to look at those grabs and see stuff you haven't never noticed before... Wow!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:20 am

Indiana Holt wrote:what else? hmm.....

if you look very closely you see that there is something different with Indy in the same scene...

but thats of topic...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... cap557.jpg

Forgive me for being off topic, but I couldn't resist... freeze frame when Indy reaches under the closing "door" to get his hat after he pushes Willie and Short Round out. You might have to play it a couple of times, but you will be glad you did.

Kyle

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:35 am

Kyle

VP · Post by VP » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:43 am

That must be the stunt guy since Ford was out for a few weeks due to the back pain.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:49 am

yep thats right. Vic Armstrong is in both scenes..

and since I derailed this little engine, Im helping it back on track..

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:46 pm

Did anyone ever find this knife?

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:06 pm

I found it a few years back and got a few

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:49 pm

Brand?

Model?

Where you found them?

Saying you have them with no information is unhelpful in a forum where we pride ourselves on sharing for the good of the community.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:14 pm

Thanks, Jeff. I’ve only been part of this forum for 15 years or so…

I was at a train crossing and didn’t have unlimited time to go back and find all the information at the time. But I figured I’d at least let him know that someone has, in fact, found it. NOW I will go and find the information needed.

Kyle

mr_alex · Post by **mr_alex** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:00 am

So... What are the deets???

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:37 am

So Shorty’s knife is called a Shibriya.

Unlike the curved, ornate daggers of Yemen and Oman, the shibriya is a straight, workmanlike blade made for the rough-and-tumble of daily Bedouin life. Not a decoration but a tool, it is designed to be easily drawn, to cut through canvas and rope, to shear sheep – and to kill.

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 am

Seems to me that in the pic the knife has a simple straight crossguard and bulbous pommel.

Most Shibriya look different, but I did see one on Etsy that is really close (even has a wooden handle):

https://www.etsy.com/listing/751120140/ ... ger-carved

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:38 am

Saw this on Reddit... Aside from a fun pic, there's another look at the knife:

https://i.redd.it/man5hs379roa1.png

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:26 pm

Kyle, thanks for the name. If you want to read the article Kyle quoted, it's an interesting read.
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle- ... nt-daggers

But like bearbeast I wasn't able to find any images of shibriya knives that match what we see on screen.

Which got me thinking (always a dangerous proposition), they filmed in Sri Lanka so maybe they found a knife locally that the prop department liked the looks of. But again, searching for "Sri Lankan dagger/knife" didn't produce any results.

So I thought, "Well, despite them never stepping foot in India the movie is set there so maybe..."

And that's where I hit pay dirt.

https://www.collectorsweekly.com/storie ... collection

You might have success using "India carving set" to get something similar in shape and get a fork to go with!

There are a number of similar knives listed on etsy and ebay for pretty reasonable prices. I pulled this image from a current live ebay listing selling for $24.99 with free shipping.

Conversely, this one is listed on ebay for $125.00

so it definitely pays to shop around.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:29 pm

Well, that is definitely the right one! Good detective work, Indiana Jeff.

I like the look of the brass cross guard and wooden handle.

Cheers,
Bear

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:33 pm

Bear, I think the knife you found on etsy is mislabeled as a shibriya. It is consistent with the knives I found and even has "India" stamped on the blade. Ironic that you would find the right knife in a round about fashion.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:35 pm

Well, it WAS the only one of its kind to turn up in my search and only found it by looking at pics, but it is ironic for sure...

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:41 pm

Another data point, the Collector's Weekly link that I included had comments. One of which is,

These knives are tourist souvenirs made in India during the 1950s & 1960s. They can sometimes be found with double-ended sheaths having a knife & fork at opposite ends and intended as carving sets. The names are limited only the imagination of the seller and the gullibility of the buyer.

So there's nothing "ancient" (depending on how your feelings about something ~70 years old being ancient

) or particularly special about these knives.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:12 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:26 pm There are a number of similar knives listed on etsy and ebay for pretty reasonable prices. I pulled this image from a current live ebay listing selling for $24.99 with free shipping.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

That one looks dead on the money

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:06 am

Correction: after reading about the Shibriya knife I posted before I realize that it’s bigger than the knives I have. The ones I have are like the one Jeff posted. My mistake. I got them a few years back and only based my findings in photos alone.

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:36 pm

Where did you get yours and do you have any pictures? I'd like to pick one up too. That's a pretty neat obscure prop...

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:11 pm

A clearer picture can be found here...

https://movie-screencaps.com/indiana-jo ... .jpg?ssl=1

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:42 pm

Thanks, Canyon.

If you zoom in you can see a “ball” on the side of the cross-guard that I’m convinced is the hole used for the lock pin on the wooden sheath.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:43 pm

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