Wested Legacy series announced

Indiana_Nate · Post by **Indiana_Nate** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:48 pm

Illinois_Jones wrote:Like Michaelson, I'm personally not an artificial distresser myself. Partly it's a fear of damage and partly it's a desire to give the jacket my own "story" via wear. But to each his own.

But having seen and felt one of these Legacy jackets in person the other day, I definitely wouldn't distress it. It reminded me a lot of a lamb version of BK's Liberty hide. That stuff will take a natural patina very quickly.

Add me to that list as well!

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:46 am

I'm on both lists but things to consider. A naturally aged jacket will not give you a specific screen look, if that's what you want, and also natural aging also happens to you too, and sadly none of us are going to live forever.

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:37 am

Hi, what is current average waiting time for Wested?

Is the back length measured with collar stand?

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:17 am

tomek9210 wrote:Hi, what is current average waiting time for Wested?

Is the back length measured with collar stand?

I placed my order on 1/31, it dispatched 2/17 and delivered 2/22.

The measurement I took from the nape of my neck best aligns with the seam where the collar stand attaches to the back panel, so I would say measure without factoring in the collar stand.

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:33 am

Yes it's without the collar stand.

Indiana_Nate · Post by **Indiana_Nate** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:44 am

tomek9210 wrote:Hi, what is current average waiting time for Wested?

Is the back length measured with collar stand?

I ordered mine 2/15, shipped 2/24, received 2/26.

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:49 am

I ordered mine 3/10, shipped 3/17 and received 3/19

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:24 pm

Wow, they’re getting faster. Haha.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:13 pm

I haven’t order and it still has come yet

Just kiddin, those are some wicked fast lead times.
My S&J ToD is in the tailor hands right now, but if it comes back and I’m not happy with it, I might pull the trigger on a Legacy ToD

Croft

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:32 pm

Indiana Croft wrote:I haven’t order and it still has come yet

Just kiddin, those are some wicked fast lead times.
My S&J ToD is in the tailor hands right now, but if it comes back and I’m not happy with it, I might pull the trigger on a Legacy ToD

Croft

What was wrong with it? Just out of curiosity?

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:13 pm

Indiana_Nate wrote:I know I may be in the minority here, but I couldn't bear to give this jacket a shower. I love the look and feel of it just as it is.

I’m sure I’ll feel that way when I get it.

I’m in no rush to age it. I’ll likely enjoy the freshness of it as new for quite a while.

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:52 am

Hedji wrote:
Indiana_Nate wrote:I know I may be in the minority here, but I couldn't bear to give this jacket a shower. I love the look and feel of it just as it is.
I’m sure I’ll feel that way when I get it.

I’m in no rush to age it. I’ll likely enjoy the freshness of it as new for quite a while.

Yes I totally feel the same way. I don't know how some people can take a brand new jacket and take sandpaper to it, stick it in the shower, etc.

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:34 am

JC1972 wrote:
Hedji wrote:
Indiana_Nate wrote:I know I may be in the minority here, but I couldn't bear to give this jacket a shower. I love the look and feel of it just as it is.
I’m sure I’ll feel that way when I get it.

I’m in no rush to age it. I’ll likely enjoy the freshness of it as new for quite a while.
Yes I totally feel the same way. I don't know how some people can take a brand new jacket and take sandpaper to it, stick it in the shower, etc.

While I agree, this is also my only Indy jacket at the moment so I like it clean. A lot of folks on here have multiple jackets and are probably buying these for a very specific purpose. Either matching a scene specific look or other gear that’s already distressed. To each his/her/their own.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:30 pm

Choose Poorly. My ToD is in having the action pleats fixed. Putting in a knit fabric which has elastic capabilities to help keep them closed.
Just a pet peeve of mine.

Croft

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:01 am

Dispatched! That was quick! Not long now.

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:13 am

Hedji wrote:Dispatched! That was quick! Not long now.

Awesome! Pics when it arrives, please. We all feel particularly close to your jacket, haha. Would love to know how it works out.

ltfoley · Post by **ltfoley** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:58 am

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Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:42 pm

Looks like you did a good job, but it’ll be easier to see once you re-size.
Whose site are you using.

I’m one of those guys who love a distressed jacket as by the time one with no distressing, I’ll be distressing 6ft under.

Jackets these days are made to last.

Croft

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:25 am

It looks nice, but still very dark though and these are outside shots. Still plenty of potential to lighten the jacket, just by using the natural undertones.

ltfoley · Post by **ltfoley** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:56 am

Yeah it's dark but in my mind the Raiders is very dark, so it'll do. Maybe not screen accurate but it's the Raiders i always wanted. My quest is over, i think.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:11 am

xmasters wrote:I'm on both lists but things to consider. A naturally aged jacket will not give you a specific screen look, if that's what you want, and also natural aging also happens to you too, and sadly none of us are going to live forever.

That's the difference between 'real life' use and 'cosplay'.

I have some jackets I've had for over 20+ years that have definitely taken on a personality and appearance of their own that can ONLY be obtained from real world day to day use, and it really didn't take that long for them to obtain it.

It's dependent on the hide too, as stuff like horsehide and the top end heavy leather ages slowly. Lambskin and cowhide, on the other hand, distresses with general use in very short order.

Some of the most 'screen accurate' sleeve distressing I've ever had made on a jacket from regular use is my black G&B Flightsuits Expedition when I reached into a store freezer to pull out a frozen Thanksgiving turkey and the nylon netting rubbed along the seam!

Not quite as glamorous as being drug behind a tank, I guess....

Anyway, back to the Legacy discussion, already in progress......

Regards! Michaelson

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:39 am

Michaelson wrote:
xmasters wrote:I'm on both lists but things to consider. A naturally aged jacket will not give you a specific screen look, if that's what you want, and also natural aging also happens to you too, and sadly none of us are going to live forever.
That's the difference between 'real life' use and 'cosplay'.

I have some jackets I've had for over 20+ years that have definitely taken on a personality and appearance of their own that can ONLY be obtained from real world day to day use, and it really didn't take that long for them to obtain it.

It's dependent on the hide too, as stuff like horsehide and the top end heavy leather ages slowly. Lambskin and cowhide, on the other hand, distresses with general use in very short order.

Some of the most 'screen accurate' sleeve distressing I've ever had made on a jacket from regular use is my black G&B Flightsuits Expedition when I reached into a store freezer to pull out a frozen Thanksgiving turkey and the nylon netting rubbed along the seam!

Not quite as glamorous as being drug behind a tank, I guess....

Anyway, back to the Legacy discussion, already in progress......

Regards! Michaelson

Cut to all of us volunteering at food banks around November and insisting that we be the turkey taker outers.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:12 am

I can just see it now..."Let me roll around in the frozen turkeys a bit before you take them.....'

Regards! M

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:10 pm

I have had my Legacy Raiders for about 3 weeks now. I figured I would break it in (been wearing it constantly) before taking some good photos and giving my thoughts.

Ordering process was really quite painless for me, after reading the information in this forum on sizing advice and screen accuracy. I am 5'10" and about 170 lbs. Here are the choices I made:

The Legacy Raiders Hero Jacket (Custom Made) - Chest Size:40"
Sleeve Length: 24.5"
Back Length: 24.5"
Lining: Cotton Body + Satin Sleeves
Side Straps: 2 Pronged Black Buckles
Extra Inside Pocket: Yes

For this jacket I really wanted to get as close to screen accurate as possible (at least on the outside), as that is the whole point of this Legacy range. So rather than go with X-box stitching or more practical buckles, I went with what was suggested. To me the inside of the jacket doesn't matter too much for screen accuracy, so I went for the extra pocket and cotton body + satin sleeves (I know all satin is generally considered the most accurate).

Wested's communication throughout was great, and shipping was a breeze. The jacket impressed me as soon as I opened it. I was so happy to see they nailed the fit. The sleeves go right to the first knuckle on my thumbs, and the back is right around my back pockets. The leather looks and feels great! It is a nice chocolate brown, most of my pictures below came out much darker than it looks in person. It is lighter in color than my Magnoli jacket. The leather is a nice lightweight skin. This is my first lambskin jacket, and it definitely drapes well. It has all the quirks of the hero jacket that I love. The shoulder seam is much lower and the collar sits further back.

My complaints would be that the pocket flaps are a little more pointed, and less scalloped than I see on screen. But you really have to be looking for that. The other is that the jacket smelled terrible and took quite a few days to air out. The leather had a very chemically-processed smell to it. The pleats do have a tendency to blow out a little, but I'm glad I didn't get elastic in this jacket, just for accuracy's sake. The rest of my jackets I will happily add elastic to.

This photo shows the color the best out of all my photos. The rest came out with the jacket looking too dark. This shows the 2 pronged buckle, which I have not punctured the strap with yet.

I have added a photo album with 14 high resolution photos. I have included photos of the buckle, k-box stitching, fiocchi snaps, tag, etc in the link.
Click for photo album

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:29 am

THe fit is spot on. Wear it in good health.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pm

Great fit. You nailed it.

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:40 pm

Superb review and photos! You even have the Paramount mountain in the background!
Thanks for the informative share.

tubasthebest wrote:This shows the 2 pronged buckle, which I have not punctured the strap with yet.

Sorry, but I’m new to this. Are you supposed to puncture the straps with the prongs? Like a belt?

How does one determine how far to draw in the straps? I know I’ll be nervous to make a permanent hole in the straps.

Any more information on how to do this accurately and safely?

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:02 pm

It has arrived! Opened it up yesterday. I really love it. First lambskin jacket for me. Just feels wonderful compared to my old licensed cowhide jacket. Sleeves feel a hair long, but I'm happy with them, because I can get them to shrink over time. It does have a strong smell, not entirely pleasant, so I haven't slept in it out of respect to my wife.

I'm not an expert, but I think the length is right for me. In the pics, I'm wearing it with khaki jeans with a low cut. I think with my gear, it'll fall even better. I'm very, very pleased, and look forward to many years of adventure.

Once Again:
6'2" , 185 lbs
Chest 42"
Back: 26"
Sleeve: 26.5"

If anyone has any tips on how to adjust the side straps properly, I'd love to hear it. Do I really puncture the straps with the prongs like a belt?

Happy to take close up pics if anyone requests.

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pm

Wow, looks great! That's a great fit, wear it in good health. I think you nailed the measurements.
Fyi I'm also wondering about the straps and the pronged buckles.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:09 pm

That’s does look like a perfect fit, if you get the sleeves wet (not soaked through) and scrunch them up your arms you’ll create some wrinkles and being lamb it won’t be permanent, the rankle stay but the leather will relax and they be at the right location. Yours are perty close now.

Now I’m not going to say I’m an expert, because I’m not.
I have a S&J truck chase and they have the two prong buckle. Their more for crating tension on the strap.
Mine are not punctured.

Go to my thread, down a little bit. 1st page down to the bottom you’ll see my jacket and one pic is the buckle and you cam kinda see the bump from the prong, but not punctured through.
Hope this helps
Croft

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:24 pm

Yeah I think that looks great! The sleeves look good!

The side straps are your own preference, they look quite good out the bag loose as per your pictures.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:10 pm

All, I appreciate the kind words about my jacket and review.

Hedji, I'm so glad you have your jacket and the fit looks good! I think the straps could be tightened a tad for a less baggy look, if that is what you want.

Hedji wrote: Sorry, but I’m new to this. Are you supposed to puncture the straps with the prongs? Like a belt?

I am certainly not the best expert on this, but have done some research. If I am wrong in any of this, I hope another member will chime in. I found some great information and photos from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69656

This is a screen cap from a deleted scene from Raiders on the blu-ray, zoomed, cropped and brightened (obtained from the thread linked above). Here you can see the buckle and the fold around the prongs, but I do not see the prongs have punctured the strap.

This is my jacket, and you can see I get an extremely similar look by not puncturing the strap.

Here is the internal view of the buckle, with the strap pulled out and the prongs showing.

And here is the outside of the buckle. From this image you can see the buckle is designed so that those prongs will puncture the strap and rest in these slots on the outside of the buckle.

This is a place where I think design and screen accuracy make the difference. I believe the buckle is designed to have the prongs puncture the strap. But I believe that this was never done on the screen used jackets and they just have the strap resting on the prongs, similar to how the legacy jacket is out of the bag shipped.

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:24 pm

They're buckles for trousers and were never "designed" to puncture leather, just textile waistbands. Peter likely used them because they were the right size and did the job and were roughly period accurate -- though D rings would have likely been what was used in a real jacket of the period. If you want to puncture the strap then that's up to you, but understand that the straps are not meant to cinch the jacket at the waist, they're meant to keep those action back "gussets" in check and not blowing open constantly. If they're pulled tight and you puncture that leather then you will have constant pressure there on those holes. Personally I'm not a prong guy and I've always avoided them, to the point that I've actually cut them off and ground the metal smooth on a set I have. I know they're screen accurate, but the original jackets were made very quickly and for a specific purpose, and durability wasn't one of them.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 pm

Fantastic information! Thanks for clarifying Illinois_Jones.

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:08 am

I haven't punctured the leather with mine, just slightly adjusted the straps so the pleats aren't as relaxed as they come out of the bag. In the movie you can see to what degree they were tightened by the way the leather is pulled by them. You rarely see the pleats unless he's reaching up for something or during fight sequences.

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:22 am

Thank you everyone for the nice compliments and Superb feedback!

Croft, I LOVE your advice. I may try a little water on the sleeves... when it gets warmer here in NY.

But I'm a little nervous about it to be honest. I'll enjoy the freshness of it for now, and maybe this summer give it a light spritz and see where it goes. But heck yeah, I DO love the look of the sleeves bunching and wrinkling, which is precisely why I erred long on the sleeve length.

Tubasthebest, Illinois Jones, and xmasters.. Thank you so much for the strap suggestions! I'm just going to tighten them to close the pleats a bit and let the prongs do what nature has them do.

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:45 pm

Hedji wrote:Thank you everyone for the nice compliments and Superb feedback!

Croft, I LOVE your advice. I may try a little water on the sleeves... when it gets warmer here in NY. But I'm a little nervous about it to be honest. I'll enjoy the freshness of it for now, and maybe this summer give it a light spritz and see where it goes. But heck yeah, I DO love the look of the sleeves bunching and wrinkling, which is precisely why I erred long on the sleeve length.

Tubasthebest, Illinois Jones, and xmasters.. Thank you so much for the strap suggestions! I'm just going to tighten them to close the pleats a bit and let the prongs do what nature has them do.

Late to the party, but I agree the fit looks awesome on you, bud!

I think the sleeves are exactly where mine were when my jacket arrived, so waiting a bit for warmer weather is a good call in case you don’t even need the water treatment.

I never punctured my straps either. They don’t move with the prongs resting on the leather, so no need.

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:42 pm

One week of wearing, and I am already noticing the sleeves riding a bit higher on my knuckles.

I can also say the leather smells less chemical, and more leathery, if that makes any sense. It's a pleasant leather smell now, the smell you'd want it to have. I'd be lying if I didn't say I smile a bit when I walk into the foyer where it's hanging and the smell says hello to me.

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:49 pm

Hedji wrote:One week of wearing, and I am already noticing the sleeves riding a bit higher on my knuckles.

I can also say the leather smells less chemical, and more leathery, if that makes any sense. It's a pleasant leather smell now, the smell you'd want it to have. I'd be lying if I didn't say I smile a bit when I walk into the foyer where it's hanging and the smell says hello to me.

Oh yes, brother! I started draping mine over a chair next to my bed just to smell it when I went to sleep and woke up. Aromatherapy. Now it just smells like... a jacket.

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:49 am

I just placed the order for my Legacy Hero:

- size 40
- 26,5 inch sleeves
- 25,5 inch back

I'm 6 ft 3 inch (191 cm) tall. My current Hero from 2012 has 24,2 inch back (it was 24,5 inch originally) and it's a bit too short for me, it looks ok with higher waisted trousers, but I want a bit longer jacket now.

I will share some photos when I receive it

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:21 am

The package has been sent few days ago and I got the notification about VAT and duty payments. 105 USD of additional charge. Thank you UK for leaving the EU

andrea1984 · Post by **andrea1984** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:26 am

Now the price of a wested is like a kelso for EU buyers

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:07 am

Yep, but the waiting time is much shorter for Wested.

Kokopelli · Post by **Kokopelli** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:40 pm

tomek9210 wrote:I just placed the order for my Legacy Hero:

- size 40
- 26,5 inch sleeves
- 25,5 inch back

I'm 6 ft 3 inch (191 cm) tall. My current Hero from 2012 has 24,2 inch back (it was 24,5 inch originally) and it's a bit too short for me, it looks ok with higher waisted trousers, but I want a bit longer jacket now.

I will share some photos when I receive it

I can’t wait to see this one- I’m the same height and size...

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:38 am

Hi, according to tracking, it should arrive on Wednesday, so give me few more days to take some photos.

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:31 am

I got the jacket today.

First impression after opening the box? What a gorgeous smell! Nothing can beat the smell of the nice leather garment.

Second impression? What a fabulous color

My previous Hero was dark brown lambskin as I prefer darker brown for my Indy jacket. I was worried about ordering this one in authentic lambskin. But there was no reason to be worried. It's darker than the dark brown lamb! What a luck. It's like dark chocolate or dark cocoa powder.

Third impression? What a great fit. Wested nailed the measurements perfectly. I took the tape and they are spot on. The jacket fits perfectly. I can zip it up and I fell comfortable. My previous Hero is size 38 and I outgrew it a bit. This is size 40, so it's much better in the upper chest. The length is great too, much more comfortable.

Fourth impression? It's a bit heavier and slightly thicker than dark brown lamb and for me thy are the only disadvantages. But not a big deal. I will get used to it. I wore previous jacket since 2012, so it's like second skin for me

Good job Wested!

Pics will follow in the next few days.

Forrest For the Trees · Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:41 pm

That's a quick turnaround! Congrats!

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:46 pm

Yes, that was quick! I placed the order on 12.04, it was sent on 21.04 and I received it today, on 27.04.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:10 pm

Great impressions! I am looking forward to your pictures.

Hedji · Post by **Hedji** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:47 am

Yeah, that sounds excellent! I would love to see some pics too.

Quite honestly, I think mine is just a tad too long, but I'm getting comfortable with that, and finding screen pics that justify a longer length so I feel better.

I don't own any other Westeds, but I can see how this leather might be a bit thicker. I can't imagine the back lightly flapping up when I'm getting decked in the face repeatedly by a Flying Wing Mechanic.