Noel Howard shirt

djd · Post by **djd** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:16 am

Oh! Got my NH shirt today! Very impressed with the cut and the feel of it. Looks to be better quality than my Wested. The Wested looks good but after just two washed the cuffs and collar have gone lumpy which has only ever happened to really cheap shirts I've owned before- plus two of the buttons are about to fall off.... Ho hum.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:47 pm

aren't they lovely things? NH is the man for an indy shirt. congrats on your purchase.

cheers

djd · Post by **djd** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:09 pm

I know what you mean about that button! Lol. The fabric is lovely and it definately looks more indy than any other shirt out there. Expensive but worth it i'd say.

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:44 pm

Wise choice...

I picked mine up new in the bag from a Forum member. I like it a lot.

Now, time to start thinking about the NH pants if you have not already...

Very expensive, but VERY nice.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:35 pm

NH pants.....very expensive....you go first!!!

actually i got the pants....the LC/TOD ones as i like the officer pinkishness (???) to them. very, very nice pants. a word of warning though, the pants run true to the waist measurement, not to your typical pant/jean size that you usually buy.

cheers

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:43 pm

NH pants.....very expensive....you go first!!!

I DID get a pair of the NH Raiders pants...

It made my wallet a little lighter, but was worth it...

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:53 pm

I have the Wested and NH Raiders pants. The material is identical. Get whichever is cheapest. Without looking at the label inside, you can't tell the difference.

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:12 pm

If I may ask, what is Noel charging for his shirt/pants these days?

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:28 pm

Wested did a great job on the pants, but fell way short on the shirts. Noel is still the go-to-guy for the shirts if you want it exact. I also like Magnoli's quite a bit from what I've seen. I like all the choices he has available.

From what I remember the Wested pants are the exact color, but I cannot recall if they were the EXACT same material or not. I know alot of people complained about the bagginess which they then coined the term, "Hammer pants", as in M.C. Hammer. Still, alot of people were plenty satisfied with them.

HAMMER TIME!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:37 pm

i can't remember exactly what the price breakdown was but in canadian dollars, 1 pant, 1 shirt, and 1 lc tie was about $500.

i'd say it would be in the neighbourhood of pants (250), shirt (150), and tie (100)....give or take. sorry i can't be more precise, i was converting from GBP to cad at the time and only knew what the bottom line was.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:48 pm

That's gotta be one heck of a tie.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:35 pm

agent5 wrote:Wested did a great job on the pants, but fell way short on the shirts. Noel is still the go-to-guy for the shirts if you want it exact. I also like Magnoli's quite a bit from what I've seen. I like all the choices he has available.

From what I remember the Wested pants are the exact color, but I cannot recall if they were the EXACT same material or not. I know alot of people complained about the bagginess which they then coined the term, "Hammer pants", as in M.C. Hammer. Still, alot of people were plenty satisfied with them.

HAMMER TIME!

Oh, yeah. They're exact. I can't even tell them apart if they are laying on the bed. I guess the Hammer effect depends on the size or when someone ordered. Mine are clones of the NH pants.

When I received my NH Raiders pants, my first thought was if NH had simply had Wested ship him some pants to fill his orders.

I'll bring both pairs to the Finger Lakes Summit, if anyone wants to look at them and see if there are any differences.

Bowie · Post by **Bowie** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:39 pm

djd, are you going to re-dye it???
If so let me know how it works out. I'm getting read to send an order to NH, and I am sure I will end up trying "The Dalexs recipe" to end up with a bone color rather than tan...ish.

Jaredraptor · Post by **Jaredraptor** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:41 pm

Hm........guess I oughta get an NH shirt too.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:02 pm

djd, are you going to re-dye it???

Why? It's already the correct color. You can tell by the white shirt right next to it.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:06 pm

There is absolutely no reason to redye a NH shirt. As 5 just said, it comes with the exact screen accurate color. The only thing you are going to do if you mess with it, is screw it up.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:46 pm

The only thing you are going to do if you mess with it, is screw it up.

Amen, brotha.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:36 pm

Man...

I originally just started on CoW just wanting ONE jacket. Just ONE jacket. And I had an innocent enough question about it too... How to return it.

I looked at the forum lists, and laughed at how you gearheads have repeatedly piled jacket upon jacket into your closets... 'Weird', I thought, 'Who needs more than one Indy jacket?'

Then I recieved my first Indy. It was so good. So darn good. Then I wait. And I watch. And I read. And before you know it, I'm sitting there waiting for my second Indy jacket. I like them so much, I even get a couple for some friends!

So I go back to Indygear. I look at you folks who bought the fedoras, and I laugh about it. I mean, I love fedoras as much as the next retro-guy, but Indy fedoras? Seriously.

And then two days ago, I find myself pulling the plug on TWO ABs.

Now I'm thinking I'll stop there. Who actually NEEDS an Indy shirt? Pants? Shoes? Gloves? Socks...

And tonight, I find myself staring at Noel Howard's shirts. Staring. It will never end, will it?

I am Castor Dioscuri, and I am an addict.

Jaredraptor · Post by **Jaredraptor** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:41 pm

Hello, Castor.

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:46 pm

Castor I am right there with you. I started just to get a holster. I drooled over the Indy jacket long enough that I finally ordered one. The day I ordered the jacket Fedora offered up the AB rabbit for $100 so I jumped on that. Then I had to get a shirt, and then another MKVII just in case mine ever falters, I just ordered an IOAB 10 foot, and just the other day pulled the plug on a beaver AB. It all started with a holster.

Jaredraptor · Post by **Jaredraptor** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:51 pm

Well, I'm not an addict!

.....my parent took my money away....

djd · Post by **djd** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:51 am

I certainly wouldn't tamper with the colour of my NH. It's too nice. I'm getting a shirt made by an on line tailor which is closer to the bone colour. I'll see how that works out. It's an expensive hobby and if I were a parent I'd certainly wouldn't want my kids to be buying this stuff with MY money!

And Jaredraptor, if you really want to be a professor of ‘archeology’ it would be a good idea to learn how to spell it!

Nicolas · Post by **Nicolas** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:31 am

Hi ! It's my first post.

I've received my NH shirt this week and I'm really disapointed.
It's very expensive for such a poor craftsmanship. Stitching are off-centered or overlapping everywhere. It started unfolding the firts day !

I took these pictures, judge by yourselves :

Its not even a slim fit. I don't understand the positive feedback about this shirt.

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Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:33 pm

The raving about the NH shirt has nothing to do with the quality of the shirt. It is simply about screen accuracy. No other shirt that any of us have found "LOOKS" like Indy's shirt. The NH shirt "IS" Indiana Jones' shirt. Fit, material, color, texture, drape, thinness of the material, it is all there. Total screen accuracy.

No one has ever said it is the greatest shirt concerning crafsmanship. Some have complained about the stitching before. Mine, however, has had no problems. Did you do anything weird when you got it, like try to redye it?

My suggestion would be to contact Noel if you are unhappy with it, and see about sending it back and exchanging it. Or, you could have a local seamstress repair it.

What you paid for, is screen accuracy. If that is not important to you, you would be better off with one of the many close enoughs that are a sturdier made shirt.

Nicolas · Post by **Nicolas** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:28 pm

Actually, it's my first indy shirt. I didnt try to redye it, the color is perfect.
Compared to a ben sherman shirt, for example, which is clearly a slim-fit cut, the NH shirt is way too baggy: it's balooning on the back and at my waist when I wear it. But the fit is not really a problem : the taylor can tighten the shirt a little, he can't resew all the seams....
I can't send it back to Noel, or take another photo now, because I brought it to the taylor this afternoon. Anyway, compare the pictures I posted with this close-up of an MBA shirt :

People who own an MBA shirt told me its a nice shirt. That's Ok, but (unless my own shirt is an exception), IMHO, "NH" shirt is not.

PS: sorry for my poor english, I'm french !

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:39 pm

Keep in mind the NH shirt is a costume shirt, and not necessarily an every day shirt. Other maufacturers have tried to make their shirts more durable and with frequent wearability in mind. Each shirt offering has its ups and downs, but my understanding has been the NH shirt is the best in terms of screen accuracy, even though it may not be up to the rigors of every day wear.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:39 pm

No need to appologize for your English, you are doing better than some people that live here.

I don't know what happened with your NH shirt. Mine fits so tight, I would not be able to wear it if it was any tighter. And, I am in real good shape!

Hey! Round is a shape! Stop laughing.

The stitching on mine is not like yours. I have had no problems with mine. I don't know, I guess I got mine about a year ago. Did you just recently receive yours? NH may have switched who he had making his shirts and there may now be a problem. Or, this could be just a one off, that slipped by his quality control. I would still contact him and let him know. He can't change anything if he doesn't know that there is a problem.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:45 pm

Well, Aeris, it's good to hear how the NH holds up with such constant wear. I'm going off things I've heard a good while ago, so I may very well be a little hazy in my recollections.

HANSOLOJONES · Post by **HANSOLOJONES** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:52 pm

This forum is very interesting...very interesting indeed. As I am in the process of getting more gear,( G&B Expedition, AB Fedora) I have been researching every bit of gear here on the forums. It's funny how the wave of opinion changes. I picked up Two Noel Howard shirts in 2001. One is the Raiders, the other is the Temple, Last crusade shirt(Darker Buttons). After reading about this stuff it seems the popular attitude a whle ago was how everyone complained this shirt was ,the wrong color, Not screen accurate ETC.... Now it seems Noel's shirts are THE shirts to get!!!I also have three Wested Raiders shirts and a pair of Noel's Raider's trousers. I don't mean to rant, but all this is confusing. So it all comes down to this.. After ALL the research you can do here, it's ultimately up to the individual to decide on what vendor to go with, As tastes seem to change like the seasons here, and it appears there are no definitive answers.

High Regards, HSJ

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:04 pm

You're right on one thing, it IS up to the individual to make an informed decision!

I think opinions do change from time to time and even the products can change and evolve over time. The "problem" is that the choices keep multiplying, sometimes making it harder to figure out just what you want! We have more shirt options, hat options, jacket opions, etc., than when things started. And I wouldn't be surprised that once IJ4 hits the screens, manufacturers will jump at the chance to provided the masses with even MORE choices!

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:07 pm

I don't think tastes change that much. Just different people have different opinions.

I guess some people could change their minds as they become more experienced in the hobby and see some more offerings. I guess some of the best opinions belong to the members that have been around the longest and have seen all the offerings in a particular area.

Then we do have new vendors that pop up on occasion that you may need to take a look at.

Nicolas · Post by **Nicolas** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:25 pm

First, thank you for all your answers

"Ben sherman" is an english brand of clothes, making rather slim fit shirts. The second picture I posted is from a noel Howard shirt, tagged "MBA Ltd.", from 2000. (I grab the pic from the french forum)

The "loose threading" can be found inside my shirt too : look at the upper part of my first picture ("inside stitching"). It's the same job everywhere, and it's about to come apart everywhere (im' not exaggerating)

Here is another picture of the MBA shirt from 2000, it's on the bottom edge of the shirt. There is a kind of hem, "protecting" the piece of cloth, and it looks way better than mine (and yours Aeris):

Once again, it's maybe a problem with mine own shirt, and only with it. I don't know....

Concerning the fit, I'm 180 cm tall and I weigh 72kg. The shirt is a size M, it's loose on the waist and on back but it's the right size on the neck and sleeves.

Since I'm looking for an everyday shirt for this summer, i'm going to try the magnoli "adventure shirt".

Bowie · Post by **Bowie** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:44 pm

Thanks for the info All. I would hate to do a re-dye and screw up a $115 shirt!! Just the thought makes my butt twitch!!

However I remember reading an old thread that claimed the shirt as too tan, and it should be a bone color

....

Either way the my mind and wallet go back to a $115 mistake

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:46 pm

Nicolas - If you do get a Magnoli you will be happy. Indy is a great guy to deal with and makes a fantastic shirt. I wear my shirt once a week, wash and dry it with no probs. I can't compare it to the NH shirt though, but I do hope to pick up a NH shirt one day.

Here is a pic of my Magnoli shirt.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m94/ ... 000538.jpg

djd · Post by **djd** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:38 pm

I love it. It feels wonderful, looks like the raiders shirt and is a joy to wear. 100 per cent nicer than my wested. I have many shirts. I have quite a few expensive shirts. This one feels good in comparison to anything i've owned. I'd get another one tomorrow if i could justify it.

Bowie · Post by **Bowie** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:07 pm

OK Aeris , Thanks

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:20 pm

Nicolas wrote:Actually, it's my first indy shirt. I didnt try to redye it, the color is perfect.
Compared to a ben sherman shirt, for example, which is clearly a slim-fit cut, the NH shirt is way too baggy: it's balooning on the back and at my waist when I wear it.

Strange co-incidence, a while ago I was in a military surplus store looking for an indy shirt. British army lightweight tropical light khaki shirts with epaulettes were made by Ben Sherman. Unfortunately, not pure cotton (too much polyester) and no pleats, very long tails. The price was good tho! About $15.

Nicholas, seem you got too big a size. For most people the NH seems to be pretty fitted. Or it just isn't right for your body shape.

Abner1925 · Post by **Abner1925** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:32 pm

The Noel Howard shirt is exactly the color it was in the movies and needs no modification whatsoever. It is by far the best choice for accuracy in terms of material, color, and cut.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:51 pm

Yep. As long as you have a screen accurate body, you're good to go.

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:42 pm

Djd, congratus on the new shirt.

I got the NH shirt a while back, and I love it!

I agree that there is no need to redye the shirt, as it is perfect as it is.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:29 pm

Here's a thought... Has anyone ever had the guts to get a NH shirt, and convert it into a short-sleeved one? I'm sure this ought to help make it a more casual, warm weather alternative. And given how Indy gets his ripped in ToD anyway, varying sleeve lengths shouldn't take away from the Indyness...

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:47 pm

argghh!!! castor, why you got to make me cringe like that? perhaps shortening sleeves off of a 'close enough' would be better for what you're looking for. just my 2 cents.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:02 pm

I'll take that as a no

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:18 pm

Castor, I'm sorry. But after spending £65 on a NH shirt, I'm not in any hurry to rip the arm off.

Now if you guys want to carry on and show off that Temple of Doom physique, don't let me stop you.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:57 pm

Um, does getting caught in a VERY heavy downpour with no cover for five blocks and getting soaked to the bone count as dunking your AB?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:04 pm

My intent was to keep dry!

I'm sure there's someone out there willing enough to "alter" their NH shirt. After all, folks artificailly distress their jackets which cost MORE than the shirt, but it's all a matter of what you're willing to do with your money, huh?

Abner1925 · Post by **Abner1925** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:17 am

Bufflehead Jones wrote:Yep. As long as you have a screen accurate body, you're good to go.

A great point and one that is so often overlooked involving most of this gear. Ordering a more snugly fit shirt to match what was used in the movie may not look so good on the average guy with a belly and lack of a chest. However, that doesn't mean the shirt is less accurate, only that the wearer is. Perhaps checking Noel's sizing chart or asking him which size he recommends based on the purchaser's dimensions is the best way to go. Ordering the right size in anything makes it look better.

One thing you get from Noel is exactly what you saw on screen, period. Just make sure that's what you actually want to wear.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:39 am

Abner1925 wrote:
Bufflehead Jones wrote:Yep. As long as you have a screen accurate body, you're good to go.
A great point and one that is so often overlooked involving most of this gear. Ordering a more snugly fit shirt to match what was used in the movie may not look so good on the average guy with a belly and lack of a chest. However, that doesn't mean the shirt is less accurate, only that the wearer is. Perhaps checking Noel's sizing chart or asking him which size he recommends based on the purchaser's dimensions is the best way to go. Ordering the right size in anything makes it look better.

Amen, thank you Buff & Abner. 'Nuff said. (Where CAN I order a screen accurate body, anyway?)

Tone, I think Bink's walk almost meets your criteria, and I have him beat with a half hour walk in the driving rain - soaked the AB through till water collected on top of my head, and my Wested bled color into the shoulders of my shirt...

...but regardless, the only true comparison to cutting off the sleeves of an NH shirt would be something more akin to...well, gosh, I don't even think Indy managed to damage his hat.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:35 am

[quote="Indiana Jerry]
...but regardless, the only true comparison to cutting off the sleeves of an NH shirt would be something more akin to...well, gosh, I don't even think Indy managed to damage his hat.

[/quote]

ok! ok! I get the point

For my parting shot, I'll leave these gifts to haunt you all in your sleep!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:20 am

djd wrote:The Wested looks good but after just two washed the cuffs and collar have gone lumpy which has only ever happened to really cheap shirts I've owned before- plus two of the buttons are about to fall off.... Ho hum.

Going back to the original poster's question, I am curious if you washed it yourself, or did you get it dry cleaned?

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