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Noel Howard shirt
Oh! Got my NH shirt today! Very impressed with the cut and the feel of it. Looks to be better quality than my Wested. The Wested looks good but after just two washed the cuffs and collar have gone lumpy which has only ever happened to really cheap shirts I've owned before- plus two of the buttons are about to fall off.... Ho hum.
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Wested did a great job on the pants, but fell way short on the shirts. Noel is still the go-to-guy for the shirts if you want it exact. I also like Magnoli's quite a bit from what I've seen. I like all the choices he has available.
From what I remember the Wested pants are the exact color, but I cannot recall if they were the EXACT same material or not. I know alot of people complained about the bagginess which they then coined the term, "Hammer pants", as in M.C. Hammer. Still, alot of people were plenty satisfied with them.
HAMMER TIME!
From what I remember the Wested pants are the exact color, but I cannot recall if they were the EXACT same material or not. I know alot of people complained about the bagginess which they then coined the term, "Hammer pants", as in M.C. Hammer. Still, alot of people were plenty satisfied with them.
HAMMER TIME!
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i can't remember exactly what the price breakdown was but in canadian dollars, 1 pant, 1 shirt, and 1 lc tie was about $500.
i'd say it would be in the neighbourhood of pants (250), shirt (150), and tie (100)....give or take. sorry i can't be more precise, i was converting from GBP to cad at the time and only knew what the bottom line was.
i'd say it would be in the neighbourhood of pants (250), shirt (150), and tie (100)....give or take. sorry i can't be more precise, i was converting from GBP to cad at the time and only knew what the bottom line was.
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Oh, yeah. They're exact. I can't even tell them apart if they are laying on the bed. I guess the Hammer effect depends on the size or when someone ordered. Mine are clones of the NH pants.agent5 wrote:Wested did a great job on the pants, but fell way short on the shirts. Noel is still the go-to-guy for the shirts if you want it exact. I also like Magnoli's quite a bit from what I've seen. I like all the choices he has available.
From what I remember the Wested pants are the exact color, but I cannot recall if they were the EXACT same material or not. I know alot of people complained about the bagginess which they then coined the term, "Hammer pants", as in M.C. Hammer. Still, alot of people were plenty satisfied with them.
HAMMER TIME!
When I received my NH Raiders pants, my first thought was if NH had simply had Wested ship him some pants to fill his orders.
I'll bring both pairs to the Finger Lakes Summit, if anyone wants to look at them and see if there are any differences.
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Man...
I originally just started on CoW just wanting ONE jacket. Just ONE jacket. And I had an innocent enough question about it too... How to return it.
I looked at the forum lists, and laughed at how you gearheads have repeatedly piled jacket upon jacket into your closets... 'Weird', I thought, 'Who needs more than one Indy jacket?'
Then I recieved my first Indy. It was so good. So darn good. Then I wait. And I watch. And I read. And before you know it, I'm sitting there waiting for my second Indy jacket. I like them so much, I even get a couple for some friends!
So I go back to Indygear. I look at you folks who bought the fedoras, and I laugh about it. I mean, I love fedoras as much as the next retro-guy, but Indy fedoras? Seriously.
And then two days ago, I find myself pulling the plug on TWO ABs.
Now I'm thinking I'll stop there. Who actually NEEDS an Indy shirt? Pants? Shoes? Gloves? Socks...
And tonight, I find myself staring at Noel Howard's shirts. Staring. It will never end, will it?
I am Castor Dioscuri, and I am an addict.
I originally just started on CoW just wanting ONE jacket. Just ONE jacket. And I had an innocent enough question about it too... How to return it.
I looked at the forum lists, and laughed at how you gearheads have repeatedly piled jacket upon jacket into your closets... 'Weird', I thought, 'Who needs more than one Indy jacket?'
Then I recieved my first Indy. It was so good. So darn good. Then I wait. And I watch. And I read. And before you know it, I'm sitting there waiting for my second Indy jacket. I like them so much, I even get a couple for some friends!
So I go back to Indygear. I look at you folks who bought the fedoras, and I laugh about it. I mean, I love fedoras as much as the next retro-guy, but Indy fedoras? Seriously.
And then two days ago, I find myself pulling the plug on TWO ABs.
Now I'm thinking I'll stop there. Who actually NEEDS an Indy shirt? Pants? Shoes? Gloves? Socks...
And tonight, I find myself staring at Noel Howard's shirts. Staring. It will never end, will it?
I am Castor Dioscuri, and I am an addict.
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Castor I am right there with you. I started just to get a holster. I drooled over the Indy jacket long enough that I finally ordered one. The day I ordered the jacket Fedora offered up the AB rabbit for $100 so I jumped on that. Then I had to get a shirt, and then another MKVII just in case mine ever falters, I just ordered an IOAB 10 foot, and just the other day pulled the plug on a beaver AB. It all started with a holster.
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I certainly wouldn't tamper with the colour of my NH. It's too nice. I'm getting a shirt made by an on line tailor which is closer to the bone colour. I'll see how that works out. It's an expensive hobby and if I were a parent I'd certainly wouldn't want my kids to be buying this stuff with MY money!
And Jaredraptor, if you really want to be a professor of ‘archeology’ it would be a good idea to learn how to spell it!
And Jaredraptor, if you really want to be a professor of ‘archeology’ it would be a good idea to learn how to spell it!
Hi ! It's my first post.
I've received my NH shirt this week and I'm really disapointed.
It's very expensive for such a poor craftsmanship. Stitching are off-centered or overlapping everywhere. It started unfolding the firts day ! I took these pictures, judge by yourselves :
Its not even a slim fit. I don't understand the positive feedback about this shirt. :
I've received my NH shirt this week and I'm really disapointed.
It's very expensive for such a poor craftsmanship. Stitching are off-centered or overlapping everywhere. It started unfolding the firts day ! I took these pictures, judge by yourselves :
Its not even a slim fit. I don't understand the positive feedback about this shirt. :
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The raving about the NH shirt has nothing to do with the quality of the shirt. It is simply about screen accuracy. No other shirt that any of us have found "LOOKS" like Indy's shirt. The NH shirt "IS" Indiana Jones' shirt. Fit, material, color, texture, drape, thinness of the material, it is all there. Total screen accuracy.
No one has ever said it is the greatest shirt concerning crafsmanship. Some have complained about the stitching before. Mine, however, has had no problems. Did you do anything weird when you got it, like try to redye it?
My suggestion would be to contact Noel if you are unhappy with it, and see about sending it back and exchanging it. Or, you could have a local seamstress repair it.
What you paid for, is screen accuracy. If that is not important to you, you would be better off with one of the many close enoughs that are a sturdier made shirt.
No one has ever said it is the greatest shirt concerning crafsmanship. Some have complained about the stitching before. Mine, however, has had no problems. Did you do anything weird when you got it, like try to redye it?
My suggestion would be to contact Noel if you are unhappy with it, and see about sending it back and exchanging it. Or, you could have a local seamstress repair it.
What you paid for, is screen accuracy. If that is not important to you, you would be better off with one of the many close enoughs that are a sturdier made shirt.
Actually, it's my first indy shirt. I didnt try to redye it, the color is perfect.
Compared to a ben sherman shirt, for example, which is clearly a slim-fit cut, the NH shirt is way too baggy: it's balooning on the back and at my waist when I wear it. But the fit is not really a problem : the taylor can tighten the shirt a little, he can't resew all the seams....
I can't send it back to Noel, or take another photo now, because I brought it to the taylor this afternoon. Anyway, compare the pictures I posted with this close-up of an MBA shirt :
People who own an MBA shirt told me its a nice shirt. That's Ok, but (unless my own shirt is an exception), IMHO, "NH" shirt is not.
PS: sorry for my poor english, I'm french !
Compared to a ben sherman shirt, for example, which is clearly a slim-fit cut, the NH shirt is way too baggy: it's balooning on the back and at my waist when I wear it. But the fit is not really a problem : the taylor can tighten the shirt a little, he can't resew all the seams....
I can't send it back to Noel, or take another photo now, because I brought it to the taylor this afternoon. Anyway, compare the pictures I posted with this close-up of an MBA shirt :
People who own an MBA shirt told me its a nice shirt. That's Ok, but (unless my own shirt is an exception), IMHO, "NH" shirt is not.
PS: sorry for my poor english, I'm french !
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Keep in mind the NH shirt is a costume shirt, and not necessarily an every day shirt. Other maufacturers have tried to make their shirts more durable and with frequent wearability in mind. Each shirt offering has its ups and downs, but my understanding has been the NH shirt is the best in terms of screen accuracy, even though it may not be up to the rigors of every day wear.
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No need to appologize for your English, you are doing better than some people that live here.
I don't know what happened with your NH shirt. Mine fits so tight, I would not be able to wear it if it was any tighter. And, I am in real good shape!
Hey! Round is a shape! Stop laughing.
The stitching on mine is not like yours. I have had no problems with mine. I don't know, I guess I got mine about a year ago. Did you just recently receive yours? NH may have switched who he had making his shirts and there may now be a problem. Or, this could be just a one off, that slipped by his quality control. I would still contact him and let him know. He can't change anything if he doesn't know that there is a problem.
I don't know what happened with your NH shirt. Mine fits so tight, I would not be able to wear it if it was any tighter. And, I am in real good shape!
Hey! Round is a shape! Stop laughing.
The stitching on mine is not like yours. I have had no problems with mine. I don't know, I guess I got mine about a year ago. Did you just recently receive yours? NH may have switched who he had making his shirts and there may now be a problem. Or, this could be just a one off, that slipped by his quality control. I would still contact him and let him know. He can't change anything if he doesn't know that there is a problem.
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This forum is very interesting...very interesting indeed. As I am in the process of getting more gear,( G&B Expedition, AB Fedora) I have been researching every bit of gear here on the forums. It's funny how the wave of opinion changes. I picked up Two Noel Howard shirts in 2001. One is the Raiders, the other is the Temple, Last crusade shirt(Darker Buttons). After reading about this stuff it seems the popular attitude a whle ago was how everyone complained this shirt was ,the wrong color, Not screen accurate ETC.... Now it seems Noel's shirts are THE shirts to get!!!I also have three Wested Raiders shirts and a pair of Noel's Raider's trousers. I don't mean to rant, but all this is confusing. So it all comes down to this.. After ALL the research you can do here, it's ultimately up to the individual to decide on what vendor to go with, As tastes seem to change like the seasons here, and it appears there are no definitive answers.
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You're right on one thing, it IS up to the individual to make an informed decision! I think opinions do change from time to time and even the products can change and evolve over time. The "problem" is that the choices keep multiplying, sometimes making it harder to figure out just what you want! We have more shirt options, hat options, jacket opions, etc., than when things started. And I wouldn't be surprised that once IJ4 hits the screens, manufacturers will jump at the chance to provided the masses with even MORE choices!
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I don't think tastes change that much. Just different people have different opinions.
I guess some people could change their minds as they become more experienced in the hobby and see some more offerings. I guess some of the best opinions belong to the members that have been around the longest and have seen all the offerings in a particular area.
Then we do have new vendors that pop up on occasion that you may need to take a look at.
I guess some people could change their minds as they become more experienced in the hobby and see some more offerings. I guess some of the best opinions belong to the members that have been around the longest and have seen all the offerings in a particular area.
Then we do have new vendors that pop up on occasion that you may need to take a look at.
First, thank you for all your answers
"Ben sherman" is an english brand of clothes, making rather slim fit shirts. The second picture I posted is from a noel Howard shirt, tagged "MBA Ltd.", from 2000. (I grab the pic from the french forum)
The "loose threading" can be found inside my shirt too : look at the upper part of my first picture ("inside stitching"). It's the same job everywhere, and it's about to come apart everywhere (im' not exaggerating)
Here is another picture of the MBA shirt from 2000, it's on the bottom edge of the shirt. There is a kind of hem, "protecting" the piece of cloth, and it looks way better than mine (and yours Aeris):
Once again, it's maybe a problem with mine own shirt, and only with it. I don't know....
Concerning the fit, I'm 180 cm tall and I weigh 72kg. The shirt is a size M, it's loose on the waist and on back but it's the right size on the neck and sleeves.
Since I'm looking for an everyday shirt for this summer, i'm going to try the magnoli "adventure shirt".
"Ben sherman" is an english brand of clothes, making rather slim fit shirts. The second picture I posted is from a noel Howard shirt, tagged "MBA Ltd.", from 2000. (I grab the pic from the french forum)
The "loose threading" can be found inside my shirt too : look at the upper part of my first picture ("inside stitching"). It's the same job everywhere, and it's about to come apart everywhere (im' not exaggerating)
Here is another picture of the MBA shirt from 2000, it's on the bottom edge of the shirt. There is a kind of hem, "protecting" the piece of cloth, and it looks way better than mine (and yours Aeris):
Once again, it's maybe a problem with mine own shirt, and only with it. I don't know....
Concerning the fit, I'm 180 cm tall and I weigh 72kg. The shirt is a size M, it's loose on the waist and on back but it's the right size on the neck and sleeves.
Since I'm looking for an everyday shirt for this summer, i'm going to try the magnoli "adventure shirt".
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HN Re-dye
Thanks for the info All. I would hate to do a re-dye and screw up a $115 shirt!! Just the thought makes my butt twitch!!
However I remember reading an old thread that claimed the shirt as too tan, and it should be a bone color ....
Either way the my mind and wallet go back to a $115 mistake
However I remember reading an old thread that claimed the shirt as too tan, and it should be a bone color ....
Either way the my mind and wallet go back to a $115 mistake
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Nicolas - If you do get a Magnoli you will be happy. Indy is a great guy to deal with and makes a fantastic shirt. I wear my shirt once a week, wash and dry it with no probs. I can't compare it to the NH shirt though, but I do hope to pick up a NH shirt one day.
Here is a pic of my Magnoli shirt.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m94/ ... 000538.jpg
Here is a pic of my Magnoli shirt.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m94/ ... 000538.jpg
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Strange co-incidence, a while ago I was in a military surplus store looking for an indy shirt. British army lightweight tropical light khaki shirts with epaulettes were made by Ben Sherman. Unfortunately, not pure cotton (too much polyester) and no pleats, very long tails. The price was good tho! About $15.Nicolas wrote:Actually, it's my first indy shirt. I didnt try to redye it, the color is perfect.
Compared to a ben sherman shirt, for example, which is clearly a slim-fit cut, the NH shirt is way too baggy: it's balooning on the back and at my waist when I wear it.
Nicholas, seem you got too big a size. For most people the NH seems to be pretty fitted. Or it just isn't right for your body shape.
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A great point and one that is so often overlooked involving most of this gear. Ordering a more snugly fit shirt to match what was used in the movie may not look so good on the average guy with a belly and lack of a chest. However, that doesn't mean the shirt is less accurate, only that the wearer is. Perhaps checking Noel's sizing chart or asking him which size he recommends based on the purchaser's dimensions is the best way to go. Ordering the right size in anything makes it look better.Bufflehead Jones wrote:Yep. As long as you have a screen accurate body, you're good to go.
One thing you get from Noel is exactly what you saw on screen, period. Just make sure that's what you actually want to wear.
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Amen, thank you Buff & Abner. 'Nuff said. (Where CAN I order a screen accurate body, anyway?)Abner1925 wrote:A great point and one that is so often overlooked involving most of this gear. Ordering a more snugly fit shirt to match what was used in the movie may not look so good on the average guy with a belly and lack of a chest. However, that doesn't mean the shirt is less accurate, only that the wearer is. Perhaps checking Noel's sizing chart or asking him which size he recommends based on the purchaser's dimensions is the best way to go. Ordering the right size in anything makes it look better.Bufflehead Jones wrote:Yep. As long as you have a screen accurate body, you're good to go.
Tone, I think Bink's walk almost meets your criteria, and I have him beat with a half hour walk in the driving rain - soaked the AB through till water collected on top of my head, and my Wested bled color into the shoulders of my shirt...
...but regardless, the only true comparison to cutting off the sleeves of an NH shirt would be something more akin to...well, gosh, I don't even think Indy managed to damage his hat.
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[quote="Indiana Jerry]
...but regardless, the only true comparison to cutting off the sleeves of an NH shirt would be something more akin to...well, gosh, I don't even think Indy managed to damage his hat. [/quote]
ok! ok! I get the point
For my parting shot, I'll leave these gifts to haunt you all in your sleep!
...but regardless, the only true comparison to cutting off the sleeves of an NH shirt would be something more akin to...well, gosh, I don't even think Indy managed to damage his hat. [/quote]
ok! ok! I get the point
For my parting shot, I'll leave these gifts to haunt you all in your sleep!
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Re: Noel Howard shirt
Going back to the original poster's question, I am curious if you washed it yourself, or did you get it dry cleaned?djd wrote:The Wested looks good but after just two washed the cuffs and collar have gone lumpy which has only ever happened to really cheap shirts I've owned before- plus two of the buttons are about to fall off.... Ho hum.