Wested's HERO jacket...

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:55 pm

These are wicked nice jackets, love how depending on the lighting what the color looks like.

But is the hat brown or grey

And speaking of S&J truck chase.

If this look like the grail jacket, well it is for me

Croft

CarolinaIndy · Post by **CarolinaIndy** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:04 pm

Indiana Croft wrote:These are wicked nice jackets, love how depending on the lighting what the color looks like.

But is the hat brown or grey

And speaking of S&J truck chase.

If this look like the grail jacket, well it is for me

Croft

Now those...are some frame-worthy photos. Nice work, Croft!

Carolina

LostRaider25 · Post by **LostRaider25** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:54 pm

Croft, your jacket is superb. Been looking at your previous posts while waiting for my turn to be sized. Most spot on Indy jacket I’ve seen. Looks like you’re wearing the truck jacket to search for the golden idol in those shots. Watch out for the boulder

Will get mine with minimal distressing only though so I can let it naturally age as I wear it, same time wouldn’t want it to look brand new.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:05 pm

Thanks guys, I'm going to post more in my thread.
http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f ... 15#p925415" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These were taken at the Flume in NH

But this is a Wested thread, my Hero doesn't see as much wear as it use to, wonder why

But I'll never bid rid of it, it's the first Wested that fits and is distressing nicely.

Croft

Post by **Ken** » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:07 am

Indiana Croft wrote:Thanks guys, I'm going to post more in my thread.
http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f ... 15#p925415" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These were taken at the Flume in NH

But this is a Wested thread, my Hero doesn't see as much wear as it use to, wonder why
But I'll never bid rid of it, it's the first Wested that fits and is distressing nicely.

Croft

What are the details on that Hero Croft, if you don't mind me asking?

indymassilia · Post by **indymassilia** » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:10 pm

Ah! Mr Croft ,since you have posted all these beautiful pictures from Diego jackets,both temple and truck,it's become more and more difficult to me to not break my troth to be reasonnable and not order another Indy jacket and be happy with the jackets i already have (even i'm still looking for a for a Temple Nowak and a Belstaff Bison hero..).

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:30 pm

KEN
Well, I'm not sure what spec's your looking for.
It's the Hero version, but you knew that.
Leather is authentic brown lambskin.
But it's dark brown and depending on lighting very dark brown.
Size was 40r, I'm 5'5" and about (in this pic) about 165lb, funny thing is my Truck Chase was 38, I was nervous about that, but Diego said not to worry, it was a perfect fit, guy knows his stuff.

So let me know what else you want and I'll bring into the cave a take measurement's.
I'd say the only issue is the straps, way to long, but other have noted this.

AND...................
indymassilia
I've had goat, but they are built tough and I tend to baby my jackets, even if I do hit it with water and VERY light sand paper, less is more to me, subtle.
Never had a want for a Novak or Belstaff, but the future is always in motion.

Croft

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Post by **Ken** » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:33 pm

You covered everything! I love the colour in that photograph! It's really dark - looks great.

Ken

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:45 pm

Just got back from the Black Lagoon and I would like to show-off my "Hero" jacket I ordered almost a month ago! I opted for authentic lambskin, chest 42, sleeve length 24.5", and back 24". My height is about 5'11", and I think I nailed the measurements.

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Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 pm

Indy89 that’s one nice lookin jacket, reminds me of mine from long ago.

Wear it good health.

Stay safe, Croft

Forrest For the Trees · Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:49 am

Very nice! Great fit. Is Wested using new buckles on the side straps, or did you supply those?

xmasters · Post by **xmasters** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 am

If they are it looks like they also fixed the strap length issue.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:09 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:Very nice! Great fit. Is Wested using new buckles on the side straps, or did you supply those?

I forgot to mention that I ordered the black buckles from MakeItJones in the UK.

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Forrest For the Trees · Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:56 pm

Ah. Good choice!

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:53 pm

That's about as good of a Wested as I've seen. The leather looks good, too. All of the "authentic" lambs I've seen over the years have had that almost ruddy tone to it, but that looks different and more accurate it seems.

And I HOPE they fixed the long strap issue. They got to the point that they were almost comically long the past few years.

Hobbstc · Post by **Hobbstc** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:34 pm

Texan Scott wrote:To commemorate the 30th Anniversary release of Raiders of the Lost Ark, I decided to buy a Wested Hero jacket. It was made in original dark goat with a few modifications: antique brass fittings and the ever present hidden press stud anchored firmly to the bottom of the storm flap. Could this iteration actually be the jacket that you always wanted Wested to make?

For comparison's sake, the first two images are of the Raiders dark brown lamb that was made for me around 1 1/2 year ago:

Wested dark brown lamb:

Raiders HERO (just received):

Just thought I’d update some pics on this original Hero. I bought it from Scott back in 2013 and wear it in rotation. The goat is tough but supple. Fits perfectly still!

https://imgur.com/a/fkiXOGy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Draxel · Post by **Draxel** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:20 pm

I have a Wested LC Hero I’m willing to part with if anyone is interested.

Size: 44 chest, 26.5 back, sleeve 26.5
In Dark Brown Novapelle

Not sure on price. Open to offers. Only tried on. Decided it was too short for my liking.

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IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:27 am

Is the Wested LC/CS more of a LC, or a CS jacket? I'm not super in the know when it comes to the details on the jackets. Like is it a combo with pick and chosen details and whatnot? Also, what skins would be the best for each of the movies?

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:19 pm

It's more of a CS. The straps are shorter, the pockets and collar are CS, the hem is stitched, etc. In fact, IIRC, it was Wested's bid to get the movie contract that went to Tony.

You'll get varying thoughts on the leather. I'm of the opinion that their cowhides look better for LC, even though the LC film jacket was lamb. Novapelle has a dusty look that works well for LC, but the distressing will be a bit off because the undertone is more grey and not that rust color like the movie. The CS jacket was a pre-distressed cowhide, so obviously that would work best.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:56 pm

Thank you for the concise answer, would you say there are any parts not accurate to the CS jacket? Also, do you think Bernie Pollack told the jacket makers to do those certain specs for the jacket, or do you just think it was a coincidence that Nowak and Wested hit pretty much the same specs?

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:02 pm

As I recall, Bernie pulled a LC jacket from the LFL Archives to use as a basis for the new jackets for CS the TNO would have been based on a Wested jacket.

That being said, in the 12 years since CS came out, all of the jacket manufacturers have had opportunities to examine each others jackets and patterns have trended toward a middle point.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Forrest For the Trees · Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:06 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote:As I recall, Bernie pulled a LC jacket from the LFL Archives to use as a basis for the new jackets for CS the TNO would have been based on a Wested jacket.

That being said, in the 12 years since CS came out, all of the jacket manufacturers have had opportunities to examine each others jackets and patterns have trended toward a middle point.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

I thought that maybe the CS was based on Disney/Cooper pattern. No joke, as they are remarkably similar.

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:50 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote:As I recall, Bernie pulled a LC jacket from the LFL Archives to use as a basis for the new jackets for CS the TNO would have been based on a Wested jacket.

That being said, in the 12 years since CS came out, all of the jacket manufacturers have had opportunities to examine each others jackets and patterns have trended toward a middle point.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Yeah, if I remember, Tony had access to one of Peter's original LC jackets. The CS really is an LC pattern with the quirks removed and a more "everyday" fit.

I can't really remember Wested's standard LC pre-2007 as I only had their Raiders back then, so I don't know how their commercial offering compared to after CS and Tony's jackets hit the market. From what I've seen they did incorporate a lot of Tony's jacket into the LC/CS they offer now.

Basically, Wested's LC/CS works for either movie.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:10 pm

Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Indiana Jeff wrote:As I recall, Bernie pulled a LC jacket from the LFL Archives to use as a basis for the new jackets for CS the TNO would have been based on a Wested jacket.

That being said, in the 12 years since CS came out, all of the jacket manufacturers have had opportunities to examine each others jackets and patterns have trended toward a middle point.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff
I thought that maybe the CS was based on Disney/Cooper pattern. No joke, as they are remarkably similar.

It was evident that it wasn't a movie jacket. The double tramline arm hole stitch and cowhide pointed, in hindsight, as you note to the Korean Disney jackets. They can still be picked up on ebay and look, as you've noted remarkably like the CS jacket.

Forrest For the Trees · Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:38 pm

Kt Templar wrote:
Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Indiana Jeff wrote:As I recall, Bernie pulled a LC jacket from the LFL Archives to use as a basis for the new jackets for CS the TNO would have been based on a Wested jacket.

That being said, in the 12 years since CS came out, all of the jacket manufacturers have had opportunities to examine each others jackets and patterns have trended toward a middle point.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff
I thought that maybe the CS was based on Disney/Cooper pattern. No joke, as they are remarkably similar.
It was evident that it wasn't a movie jacket. The double tramline arm hole stitch and cowhide pointed, in hindsight, as you note to the Korean Disney jackets. They can still be picked up on ebay and look, as you've noted remarkably like the CS jacket.

Bingo. That is what I was thinking about. Pretty weird that they went with a copy of a commercial jacket for the fans.

Hobbstc · Post by **Hobbstc** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:19 pm

Here's a few more pics of one of the first Hero jackets made. Again, it's the lightweight goat that I bought from TexasScott. Its now 10 years old. Lots of graining and character, not a lot of wear, but its tough as nails and still fairly thing and lightweight. I really enjoy wearing it.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:05 pm

So I wasn't completely satisfied with the Hero in lambskin that I received a few months ago, so I thought I give it another go, but in goatskin. I received the new Hero two days ago and Wested really hit it out of the park this time! I kept the same measurements: 42 chest, 24 back, and shortened the sleeves from 24.5 to 24. Although I requested the same measurements (except the sleeves), Wested's measurement inconsistencies worked in my favor this time around. The shoulders on my new jacket are shorter and the back measures 1/2" longer than the lambskin Hero. It's simply a better fit for me; the front of the jacket even appears longer. I also requested black sliders for the sidestraps and no signature label on the inside pocket. I can confidently say that I'm 100% happy with this new jacket. I already gave it the cold shower treatment and it looks and fits great! Gear photos will be taken soon!

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Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:35 pm

Very nice! I know what you mean by the sometimes random good fortune with Wested. Every now and again lightning strikes and its just perfect. One curiosity I think unique to Wested, is they get the side panels right. The original always had a bit of extra rumpled leather between the back pleats and front panels. Most Indy jackets tailor those a bit too much ... nice but slightly off.

Love the look of that goatskin.

Forrest For the Trees · Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:49 pm

That looks great! Wested nailed it.

The Character · Post by **The Character** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:33 am

that looks great! ....

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:15 pm

How exactly do you do the shower treatment? Is there a thread dedicated to it?

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:50 pm

IJJTM wrote:How exactly do you do the shower treatment? Is there a thread dedicated to it?

I just hang the jacket on a durable coat hanger, zip up the jacket, and give the jacket a cold shower for 3-5 minutes. Then shake off the excess water, throw on the jacket and go about your business. This will help the jacket form to your body as well as wrinkling up in all the right places. If the jacket is still damp when you need to hang it up, hang it from the loop on the inside.

I wasn't able to take full gear photos this weekend, so breakroom pictures will have to do

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IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:05 pm

Thank you very much.

SFGiant · Post by **SFGiant** » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:49 am

Hi everyone, I am going to buy a Raiders Hero soon in washed lamb.

I am 5'6" but with the way my legs are short you could consider me more like 5'9/5'10 when considering my measurements.

I have a US Wings Indy jacket - one from a pattern newer than the ones they had before like 2010. I feel like I remember it being a newer pattern based on the actual jacket. It is a VERY heavy and thick leather jacket. I want a Wested Hero mainly so I can have a very lightweight thin leather. I like the idea that if the sleeves are long I can bunch them up and they'll stay bunched up - otherwise I don't like long sleeves. My US Wings jacket sleeves are too long. From the very top of the sleeve at the seam to the bottom it's 26". They're at LEAST an inch too long for my comfort and the sleeves hang off the shoulders very similar to the hero jacket. Back length is just right. From top of yoke to bottom is 26".

Also the US Wings is a size large and fits slightly loose. I think a 44 would be good for the Wested Hero.

My sleeve length measured is around 24", my back length is around 25".

If you aren't confused enough, can anyone make recommendations please?

Edit: My suit jacket's sleeve length from the very top of the sleeve (As it meets the seam/shoulder pad) is 23.5" which is a perfect fit and what I had it tailored too.

Should I order a 24" so that I can get a slightly longer length, account for bunching and shrinkage?

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:27 pm

indy89 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:50 pm
IJJTM wrote:How exactly do you do the shower treatment? Is there a thread dedicated to it?
I just hang the jacket on a durable coat hanger, zip up the jacket, and give the jacket a cold shower for 3-5 minutes. Then shake off the excess water, throw on the jacket and go about your business. This will help the jacket form to your body as well as wrinkling up in all the right places. If the jacket is still damp when you need to hang it up, hang it from the loop on the inside.

I wasn't able to take full gear photos this weekend, so breakroom pictures will have to do

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Good job!

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:14 am

SFGiant wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:49 am Hi everyone, I am going to buy a Raiders Hero soon in washed lamb.

I am 5'6" but with the way my legs are short you could consider me more like 5'9/5'10 when considering my measurements.

I have a US Wings Indy jacket - one from a pattern newer than the ones they had before like 2010. I feel like I remember it being a newer pattern based on the actual jacket. It is a VERY heavy and thick leather jacket. I want a Wested Hero mainly so I can have a very lightweight thin leather. I like the idea that if the sleeves are long I can bunch them up and they'll stay bunched up - otherwise I don't like long sleeves. My US Wings jacket sleeves are too long. From the very top of the sleeve at the seam to the bottom it's 26". They're at LEAST an inch too long for my comfort and the sleeves hang off the shoulders very similar to the hero jacket. Back length is just right. From top of yoke to bottom is 26".

Also the US Wings is a size large and fits slightly loose. I think a 44 would be good for the Wested Hero.

My sleeve length measured is around 24", my back length is around 25".

If you aren't confused enough, can anyone make recommendations please?

Edit: My suit jacket's sleeve length from the very top of the sleeve (As it meets the seam/shoulder pad) is 23.5" which is a perfect fit and what I had it tailored too.

Should I order a 24" so that I can get a slightly longer length, account for bunching and shrinkage?

The sleeves aren't going to be your biggest issue; in the end they're the easiest thing to get fixed if they're too long. Besides, with the shoulders of the Hero the sleeves will almost certainly be longer than your USW.

Your biggest concern will be back length, and possibly, depending on your body, chest and waist. It's important to understand back length in the Hero needs to be considered differently from other jackets because of how the collar is cut. A 26" back in the Hero will hang more like a 28" jacket.

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:25 am

Outstanding fit… great job. Just need to go get dirty

SFGiant · Post by **SFGiant** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:29 am

Alright so here is the crucial advice I need.

I’ve decided my regular Raiders 27.5” back length should have been 25”. Would I be ok with a 23.5” in a hero? I’m ok with it being a bit long but not too short.

More importantly my regular Raiders with 23.5” sleeves are perfect length. I assume they might shrink or coil a bit. With a hero I wouldn’t want them to hang any longer at all. Should I go 22.5” or 22”?

Thank you.

Actually another concern. If the jacket hangs lower in the back because it sits lower, wouldn’t it have the opposite effect on the front and pull the front up? I wouldn’t want the front to look too short.

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:49 am

Typically I get the Hero about an inch and a half shorter in the back than the regular cut, so that sounds about right. I don’t think there’s much difference in the shoulder width between a Raiders and a Hero, so I wouldn’t fiddle with the sleeve length.
As to the back and front lengths, they cut the front panels differently to accommodate the off-the-shoulder design in the Hero, so no, the front won’t be too long. I have a goatskin Raiders with a 25” back and a washed lamb Hero with a 23” back. The Hero wears a smidge longer in both front and back and I’m 6’1”

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Good day all, I have a question about the wested Hero LC jacket. Is the back bottom panel stitched or is it folded over like the legacy LC?
I’m on the fence about which one to get. I plan on getting it in goat skin.

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:37 pm

Heyjude7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:12 pm Good day all, I have a question about the wested Hero LC jacket. Is the back bottom panel stitched or is it folded over like the legacy LC?
I’m on the fence about which one to get. I plan on getting it in goat skin.

Yes, the film jacket did not have a stitched hem on the back, thus the LC Hero doesn't. There's no difference in the pattern between the regular Hero and the Legacy, just the leather.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:49 pm

Thank you for the quick reply. The hero pics on their site have the hem sewn. I want that accuracy detail on it.
I have a Nowak Raiders but It has gotten a tad snug these days and I am gonna give it to my son. I got it the year he was born (2009) and now he can fit it. 13 years old and shot up to my size when I ordered it hahaha

Illinois_Jones · Post by **Illinois_Jones** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:59 pm

Heyjude7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:49 pm Thank you for the quick reply. The hero pics on their site have the hem sewn. I want that accuracy detail on it.
I have a Nowak Raiders but It has gotten a tad snug these days and I am gonna give it to my son. I got it the year he was born (2009) and now he can fit it. 13 years old and shot up to my size when I ordered it hahaha

The photos on the site for the regular LC Hero uses a mix of photos from different iterations. I think when they first released the jacket a few years ago they either overlooked it or thought people would prefer the stitched hem for reinforcement, but that wasn't the case. Same with the pocket flaps, which you can see are different in the photos. That was a major sticking point with some people when the first ones started coming out. I can't remember, but they may have been attaching the straps the "standard" way as well instead of the screen accurate way. Basically they've had to keep up with S&J's direct knowledge of the actual jackets instead of the "good enough" versions they've relied on for so long. The Raiders Hero they've also quietly tweaked in the last few years.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:11 pm

So is it safe to say they got the details right and ordering the hero would include these details or I’d have to request them?

SFGiant · Post by **SFGiant** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:47 pm

Tibor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:49 am Typically I get the Hero about an inch and a half shorter in the back than the regular cut, so that sounds about right. I don’t think there’s much difference in the shoulder width between a Raiders and a Hero, so I wouldn’t fiddle with the sleeve length.
As to the back and front lengths, they cut the front panels differently to accommodate the off-the-shoulder design in the Hero, so no, the front won’t be too long. I have a goatskin Raiders with a 25” back and a washed lamb Hero with a 23” back. The Hero wears a smidge longer in both front and back and I’m 6’1”

Wow so you went 2" shorter and it still hangs lower? Ok I won't be so insecure about 23.5" then. But you have a 23" back at 6'1"... does it feel short on you?

Good to know they adjust the front. I think for sleeves I'll go with 22.5" because if they did end up looking an inch short I'd like that anyway, so safe either way.

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:25 am

Well, I bought both jackets secondhand, so it wasn't really intentional. The hero is just below the belt, and just at the top of pocket flaps. It’s very accurate to the Raiders look (in some scenes

). It’s shorter than the Imam scenes, but perfect for clearing the whip, bag and holster as was originally intended.

marker2037 · Post by **marker2037** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:29 pm

Heyjude7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:11 pm So is it safe to say they got the details right and ordering the hero would include these details or I’d have to request them?

If you order a Hero it will be the same pattern as the Legacy, the only difference being the leather. So if you want goat in the Legacy pattern, order a Hero in goat. Do be aware that goat will basically never age though, it's tough stuff. The legacy LC leather is quite robust if you ask me, with the extra positives being it weathers absolutely beautifully and screen accurate.

giantthugee86 · Post by **giantthugee86** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:55 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:45 am
LostRaider25 wrote:Here are details of the shrunken lamb hero I got.

Back then I got a 36 but I felt it was too snug on me so I opted for a custom 37 since 38 might be too big for me. Wanted something a little more loose since the raiders jacker was a loose fit.

I like the leather on this one. Was really surprised to see that it's got some subtle striations around and after giving it a wash, grain popped out a lot more. And yes, it's shrunken lamb, resembles the washed due to the striations.

I just find the fit around the sleeves too loose. I already gave it a shower and a tumble dry and it wouldn't really narrow down. What do you guys think?

Here are some close up details:

Pocket details

Back striations and grain

Ribbyness texture popped out after wash

Collar

Here's the fit:
(front)
(back)
(side)
(arm fit)
That looks fantastic on you and love the texture. How recently did you get this?

Ken

Does your shrunken lamb have a cotton lining? Mine does and I'm afraid it'll make the fit weird if the leather shrinks after a shower.

LostRaider25 · Post by **LostRaider25** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:05 am

Mine does have a cotton lining. The lining sort of bunched up inside but not too bad that it can be seen from the outside or that it's uncomfortable

giantthugee86 · Post by **giantthugee86** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:31 pm

LostRaider25 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:05 am Mine does have a cotton lining. The lining sort of bunched up inside but not too bad that it can be seen from the outside or that it's uncomfortable

Thanks. I gave it a warm shower and it didn't shrink at all. I think I'll continue to spray the arms though to give it more wrinkles. More grain has popped out on the arms, nothing on the body though.