My Garrison Raider (Garrison owners unite here!)

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:21 am

Don't mistake stiffness/hardness with higher quality.

Stiffness is created by the amount of shellac added to the felt. Cowboy hats are super stiff because a lot of shellac is added so they retain their shape. Most dress fedoras have a lower amount of shellac added so the felt is softer.

Quality come entirely from the felt. Fur felt (rabbit, hare or beaver) is superior to wool. You can have a wool hat that's stiff as wood that won't hold up as long as the softest of fur felt hats. David uses the best rabbit and beaver felt you can get in the US.

As Chris mentioned, most Indy fans prefer their hats with as little shellac as possible because the movie hats, especially ROLA, were very soft/floppy. Beyond replicating the movie look, in a practical sense you want enough shellac so the hat holds it's shape, but enough floppiness so when the wind blows the brim 'gives' a little and the hat doesn't go flying off you head. David rides that line very well with his hats.

Beaver felt is more dense than rabbit, but that in itself doesn't necessarily contribute to the overall stiffness. I have an AB in beaver (my Sahara colored 'Michaelson') that's so broken in it behaves in wind exactly like you see in ROLA.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:33 am

I have a few questions(I know, I always do) about these hats. So what is the price for a standard raiders hat in rabbit? And how is the felt? Is it the same as Akubras federation? I would like a hat where the felt is tight together and not loser and more soft. And is it a better quality then Akubras? And can he shape it to whatever scene from the movie you want?

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:58 am

baddates1 wrote:I have a few questions(I know, I always do) about these hats. So what is the price for a standard raiders hat in rabbit? And how is the felt? Is it the same as Akubras federation? I would like a hat where the felt is tight together and not loser and more soft. And is it a better quality then Akubras? And can he shape it to whatever scene from the movie you want?

I would either email or PM David and ask him.

http://garrisonhatters.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As far as most of your questions, the answer is yes. Also, most of them are answered at the beginning of this thread. Shoot him a message, David is a very nice guy and he can make some seriously nice hats.

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:11 am

Now am I correct in saying his name on here is local land surveyor? I want to shoot a pm to him, but I don't want it to go to the wrong person

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:24 am

baddates1 wrote:Now am I correct in saying his name on here is local land surveyor? I want to shoot a pm to him, but I don't want it to go to the wrong person

Yep!

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:36 pm

Sent a PM. Love the look of his hats!

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:02 am

baddates1 wrote:Sent a PM. Hopefully, I can find out the price.

Don't fret...David is great...he will give you any and all information you need to know. W>

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:13 am

Thanks!

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:21 pm

I was told I look like Al Capone in this picture so I tried to make it look old. Not sure if Al Capone is a compliment. A fat criminal...hahaha

Garrison Raiders aka ole Faithful

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:08 pm

ChrisMD wrote:I was told I look like Al Capone in this picture so I tried to make it look old. Not sure if Al Capone is a compliment. A fat criminal...hahaha

All that's missing are the stogie and Tommy gun.

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:18 pm

Cajunkraut wrote:
ChrisMD wrote:I was told I look like Al Capone in this picture so I tried to make it look old. Not sure if Al Capone is a compliment. A fat criminal...hahaha
All that's missing are the stogie and Tommy gun.

Actually I do have one of those from the Old Time Photo place on the boardwalk hahaha

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:07 pm

ChrisMD wrote:I was told I look like Al Capone

Not Al Capone at all... but a dead ringer for Haley Joel Osment!

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:10 pm

knibs7 wrote:
ChrisMD wrote:I was told I look like Al Capone
Not Al Capone at all... but a dead ringer for Haley Joel Osment!

Never heard that one! Looks more like an out of shape val kilmer.

Sorry for the derail. Back to David's hats!

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:28 pm

knibs7 wrote:
ChrisMD wrote:I was told I look like Al Capone
Not Al Capone at all... but a dead ringer for Haley Joel Osment!

I recently saw that guy in a time travel movie and his father was played by Rufus Sewell. I have no idea who he was and he seemed an odd choice to play his son, they looked nothing alike.

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:00 am

Dr. Nebraska S. wrote:
Tundrarider wrote:Finally posting a pic of my new SOC Garrison! $\:D/$

I still hope to get better shots. For me the Fedora is the most difficult to photograph as lighting, camera distance and angle affect the shots so much.

Also, I'm still working in the pinch and overall shape. The pinch is still a bit loose for Raiders, but it's getting there!

I love this hat! Thank you, David!!!

Michael

Sorry I'm late to the party, but Micahel, that is one of the best looking Raiders I've seen in a long time! Well done, LLS!

Best wishes,
NS

Hey Tundraider. That is an awesome raider

. Now that style speaks to me, how did you describe the style you wanted to LLS? And is your head a long oval or a regular oval?

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:23 pm

baddates1 wrote:Hey Tundraider. That is an awesome raider . Now that style speaks to me, how did you describe the style you wanted to LLS? And is your head a long oval or a regular oval?

Like he said - it's a Garrison "Streets of Cairo" fedora. You can find it here:

http://garrisonhatters.com/garrison_hat ... 13_004.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A very competitive two-and a quarter in rabbit, or five in beaver.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:06 pm

Anyone heard from David? I have a hat on order with him, and sent an email about 8 days ago. Haven't heard a thing. Sent another 2 days ago thinking maybe it didn't go through. Still nothing. Hope everything is alright with him. Not a big fan of no communication though.

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:15 pm

teneas wrote:Anyone heard from David? I have a hat on order with him, and sent an email about 8 days ago. Haven't heard a thing. Sent another 2 days ago thinking maybe it didn't go through. Still nothing. Hope everything is alright with him. Not a big fan of no communication though.

He is probably travelling and I can assure you this is an exception to the norm.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:37 pm

ChrisMD wrote:
teneas wrote:Anyone heard from David? I have a hat on order with him, and sent an email about 8 days ago. Haven't heard a thing. Sent another 2 days ago thinking maybe it didn't go through. Still nothing. Hope everything is alright with him. Not a big fan of no communication though.

He is probably travelling and I can assure you this is an exception to the norm.

I truly hope so. Last I heard was the 5th of last month and my hat as on the block. Haven't heard a thing since. First time I spent such money, hard earned, on something like a hat.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:55 pm

teneas wrote:Anyone heard from David? I have a hat on order with him, and sent an email about 8 days ago. Haven't heard a thing. Sent another 2 days ago thinking maybe it didn't go through. Still nothing. Hope everything is alright with him. Not a big fan of no communication though.

You might try calling him as well. He'll get back to ya.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:56 pm

I couldn't find his number anywhere, or I would have.

I didn't see it on his website

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:00 pm

teneas wrote:I couldn't find his number anywhere, or I would have. I didn't see it on his website

Ew. He obviously removed it then. Sorry...

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:01 pm

Cajunkraut wrote:
teneas wrote:I couldn't find his number anywhere, or I would have. I didn't see it on his website
Ew. He obviously removed it then. Sorry...

Gotta love it. I tried looking on here for it, but wasn't posted as far as I can tell.

Wait game is much worse when there is no contact. lol

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:33 am

Even weirder is the fact that his surveying company has a disconnected phone number.

Edit: so that people know, he has responded finally. Apparently hugely busy and going to work "over time" on things this weekend. At least work is good

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:34 pm

I can't describe how anxious I am for more info, and getting my hat. I really have no doubt that his work will be exquisite. Was told 8 - 10 weeks, and we are on 9. How do you guys deal with it? I rely on communication yo calm me down, but David is busy as heck apparently. I can't wait!!! LOL

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:37 pm

Just relax.

It will show up....and the end of the wait will make it all the more enjoyable when you have it on your head.

Regard! Michaelson

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:31 pm

teneas wrote:How do you guys deal with it?

After the sixth or seventh one you stop noticing the wait.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:45 am

Ridgerunner58 wrote:
teneas wrote:How do you guys deal with it?
After the sixth or seventh one you stop noticing the wait.

True story

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:52 am

Not me.

I anticipate every new hat like it was my first.

Order placed...

It arrives!

$\:D/$

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:22 am

Ridgerunner58 wrote:
baddates1 wrote:Hey Tundraider. That is an awesome raider . Now that style speaks to me, how did you describe the style you wanted to LLS? And is your head a long oval or a regular oval?
Like he said - it's a Garrison "Streets of Cairo" fedora. You can find it here:

http://garrisonhatters.com/garrison_hat ... 13_004.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A very competitive two-and a quarter in rabbit, or five in beaver.

Darn! sorry about not reading his post more thouroughly........

david_h · Post by **david_h** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:10 pm

My Garrison hat is breaking in nicely. Its been worn a lot in the worst weather in the northeast. Other than the sweat stains, it's as good as new. Mr Garrison makes very good hats.

Fitch · Post by **Fitch** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:29 pm

Just received a beautiful Garrison Raiders Travel Fedora in rabbit. It's the best fitting Indy fedora I've ever owned, period. I got some help modeling it.
Thanks David!

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:29 pm

Awesome!! I always thought Andy needed a fedora...

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:03 pm

Looks great!! I haven't had word for 3 weeks or longer.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:16 pm

I must say that the hats shown here really inspired me to order from David. I asked his timeframe for delivery and was told 8 - 10 weeks. I have no doubt it's going to be a great hat, but we are just about in week 12. Craftsmanship is only a small part of a business or service. I have had to plead to get some communication. Everytime I get word my hat is "on the block now" or "just about to be shipped" or "getting finished this weekend" then I don't hear anything! I really hate to vent but I need somewhere to. As it sits, my next hat won't ever be ordered from him. I had another ordered from someone else as well, they stayed in contact, even if I didn't ask. -That- is customer service.

So frustrated

Edit: Got word! Shipped this morning. Expected delivery: Tomorrow.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:30 pm

Received my new lid today! What a great job he does on his hats. Fits like a glove, unique, and easily my favorite for now! Will post pics after we have an outing this weekend. Still stand by my communication is key belief of course, but man he does great hat work.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:13 am

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:10 pm

Dark gray with black ribbon, and a 6 point bash. Great looking, and feeling hat!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:44 pm

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:31 pm

LOVE the hat and jacket. I wear alot of Carhaart myself. PHENOMENAL stuff.

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:51 pm

Gorgeous lid!! I'd love to see a view of that six pointed crown. I don't know why, but that bash screams 30s-40's era working man to me...

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:23 pm

Look like a pro wearing that hat!

Thrall · Post by **Thrall** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:32 pm

Received my new Cairo By Garrison today. Impressive. Looking forward to wearing it to Halloween event and back in Europe.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:09 pm

Hollowpond wrote:Gorgeous lid!! I'd love to see a view of that six pointed crown. I don't know why, but that bash screams 30s-40's era working man to me...

Will get some shots of the crown this weekend. David said he felt like it was a great version of a hat in the 40s.

When I initially emailed him about making a hat, I asked for exactly what he made me. The main thing, besides the color, and crown bash, was that I wanted a "rough" feel to it. I don't do refined very well. I think he hit the nail on the head.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:49 pm

Hollowpond wrote:Gorgeous lid!! I'd love to see a view of that six pointed crown. I don't know why, but that bash screams 30s-40's era working man to me...

Here you go:

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:32 am

Nice! A little more tear drop and less 6 point than I had imagined, but NICE. I really like the finish too. Great hat!

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:01 pm

Hollowpond wrote:Nice! A little more tear drop and less 6 point than I had imagined, but NICE. I really like the finish too. Great hat!

I tend to agree, and it's not a great shot, but there are actually the points in there, just most aren't very well defined.

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:43 am

How much thicker is the rabbit felt from the Fed IV rabbit felt?

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:40 pm

Oh btw, if I place an order for a garrison raiders, how do I tell him that I want the hat to be taperless like the raiders hat (I have a round oval head so I am concerned about the taper of the hat)? I ow that in the PayPal, I use the instructions to the merchant. But I am wondering if I put it down there, and if I request it, will it not make it the same as the raiders hat from the film?

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Thought all indy hats came untapered.