US Wings Legend Imported Cowhide Discussion

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:52 pm

Well, I received my Legend last night (imported cowhide large long) and I have to say the thing is fantastic in ALMOST every respect. My only big complaint is that they made the jacket longer, but they didn't move the pockets down. It's literally like there's simply an extra 2 inches of jacket on the bottom. I'm not quite sure what I want to do with it yet. I may send it back, or I may take it to a tailor to remove an inch or so off the bottom, but if I cut off too much, the jacket will simply be too short. Moving the pockets lower is obviously not an option. It's just such a disappointment that US Wings, possibly the only manufacturer to offer off-the-rack long sizes could screw up such a simple concept as lowering the pockets on a long jacket. They managed to figure it out for the A-2 I ordered from them. What do you guys think? For the record, I'm about 6'3" 195 lbs.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:54 pm

The fit and length of the jacket look great, but I agree, those pockets are too high!

CM · Post by CM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:01 pm

That's a mistake. Looks wrong (in an interesting way, but wrong nevertheless), it needs to go back.

Rick Deckard · Post by **Rick Deckard** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:29 pm

It's a shame b/c the fit looks great, but I too think it needs to go back. I noticed the pockets right away. Very odd looking.

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:46 pm

I like the way it fits. Underneath, I'm wearing a flight suit (which has so many pockets and reinforcements, it's practically two layers anyway, and than the t-shirt under that. Even with all that, it was very comfortable and roomy. It's just the pockets that bug me. I'll probably call Myke about it on Monday. The customer service reps only know so much about future production models (and the long US made models are stil a month or more out).

And it's not just a screen accuracy thing - that's not my main interest here. Simply as a jacket, pockets at that height are odd and unfashionable.

gladd96 · Post by **gladd96** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:24 pm

Yeah those pockets just look strange. That has to be a screw up.

Bummer because otherwise it looks good.

Indyzane · Post by **Indyzane** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:26 pm

I'm glad you have your jacket finally! At first I though it was SL but now I know it's Cow I thought they messed up!

Now to the pockets, yes they look horrible! Like Michael said to the average joe know one will know. Then there is us here at COW and sure we all have a opinion.

What to do? I would defiantly send it back. Then the fit, I think IMO you need a XL Long but that's me. Please don't take this the wrong way but it looks like your wearing your little brothers jacket. I'm 6'3" 205, 44 chest and I'm getting a XL Long. I spoke to Sarge today and asked him personally what size I should get and he said the same XL long.

I would send it back and get a SL while the price is still-$100.00 off. Sarge said today all Indy jackets he sells will go up 15% to 20% very soon.

So good luck figure out what you need soon!

Zane

Photoss · Post by **Photoss** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:40 pm

Seriously, send that back and get a new one.

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:43 pm

I'd show that to Sarge. That looks odd.

Weston

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:50 pm

It does look odd to me. If it was me Id send it back because I know Id never wear it like that.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:56 pm

No way I would keep that. I got a bush jacket from them that had the same problem, and it wasn't even a tall size! Call them, tell them the problem, and ask them to check their stock for one that has the pockets lower. Use measurements to be clear. If they are all that way, get your money back. That looks just plain wrong.

Scott63 · Post by **Scott63** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:20 pm

I agree. I’d call them on Monday and either exchange it for one that’s made right, or get your money back.

Scott

Forrest For the Trees · Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:37 pm

You picked the exact right size for you, as the fit is perfect. But the pockets? Well your face in that first picture says it all. So sad.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:52 pm

Yeah, fit looks nice, but now that you point that out, that does look funny.

or unusual, was that a foreign job?

Ok, just reread the original post, yep, imported, I would be disappointed as well, especially on a jacket that turned out well otherwise.

afterthedog · Post by **afterthedog** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:53 pm

I have a phrase that I use as an electrician when I'm hanging new lights and one comes in with something wrong with it: "I don't fix new stuff." Send it back and get something that you're happy with. It just doesn't make sense to spend more money to get it tailored and then be even more unhappy with it.

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:54 pm

If you aren't happy with it now, you never will be.
Send it back!

Hopefully, this is not a "standard design feature" of the long sized jackets.

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:05 pm

Holy cow!!!

Dude...send that thing back. That's just wrong.

The jacket fits you perfectly...you take any length off it, and it won't be right.

Those pockets are off...badly.

I'd return it and make sure I sent these pics to Sarge...that looks like something he needs to know about.

Indydawg

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:24 pm

Yep, I'm with everyone on this, too:

- That fit looks oh, so right
- But those pockets look oh, so wrong
(I'm also thinking it would look REALLY awkward -and for you FEEL awkward- if you to put your hands in the hand-warmer entrances to those pockets.)

You definitely need to make Sarge & Myke aware of this situation...
I have no doubt they'll look after you.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:46 pm

Make it unanimous. That's about the oddest placement of pockets I've ever seen on an Indy jacket.

Someone wasn't looking at the pattern right.

Call Myke/David.

Regard! Michaelson

Ravenswood · Post by **Ravenswood** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:56 pm

I like using cars to draw analogies:

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:57 pm

That car looks fine to me. Just more space to hide the bodies, that's all.

Ravenswood · Post by **Ravenswood** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:00 pm

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:01 pm

The fit is really good... but I agree. Actually, the pockets kinda remind me of some of the modern flight jacket type higher pockets, especially with the flight suit, but for and Indy jacket, nah. Looks like a cross between regular and chest pockets on a safari shirt. I'm sure they will want to get after the shop and make sure that doesn't happen again.

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:13 pm

Fit =

Pocket placement =

Return for exchange or refund =

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:46 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:That car looks fine to me. Just more space to hide the bodies, that's all.

Must be a Jersey Special.

Digger4Glory · Post by **Digger4Glory** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:18 am

Well, I would have to say that one slipped by the quality control.

It can happen but I would send that back and swap it out asap. Everything else looks good but no go on the pocket placement!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:05 am

Chewbacca Jones wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:That car looks fine to me. Just more space to hide the bodies, that's all.
Must be a Jersey Special.

That's pretty much what I was going to add, Chewie:

Greatest
Car
Ever for when The Family needs to make a quick trip to the cornfield!

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:06 am

Yeah...definately bad! Send it back.

Travis

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:16 pm

Mitch LaRue wrote:
Chewbacca Jones wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:That car looks fine to me. Just more space to hide the bodies, that's all.
Must be a Jersey Special.

That's pretty much what I was going to add, Chewie:

Greatest
Car
Ever for when The Family needs to make a quick trip to the cornfield!

However, it's also handy for driving to Indy Summits. Trust me... you can never have too much trunk space at a time like that.

Post by **Dalexs** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:40 pm

Chewbacca Jones wrote:...However, it's also handy for driving to Indy Summits. Trust me... you can never have too much trunk space at a time like that.

And I've seen this guy pull up to summits...

That ain't no lie!

Sgt. · Post by **Sgt.** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:01 pm

Michaelson wrote:Make it unanimous. That's about the oddest placement of pockets I've ever seen on an Indy jacket.

Someone wasn't looking at the pattern right.

Call Myke/David.

Regard! Michaelson

No doubt.... I would like to have it inhand so I can see who made it.. Each Jacket is hand made and I will be able to tell what went wrong.. No big thing just write on the outside of the box 1-23 Hack return and put a note inside the box what the problem is with your name and send it back USPS.
Very simple to fix if any company knows about a problem and with COW having a friend in the business all it takes is a phone call or e-mail..

Sarge

Michigan Smith · Post by **Michigan Smith** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:31 pm

When I had my USW large long, I actually thought the straps were too low in the back and raised them 1.5". Now I see they corrected that but messed up the pockets. I'm not sure which is worse?

Sgt. · Post by **Sgt.** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:04 pm

Michigan Smith wrote:When I had my USW large long, I actually thought the straps were too low in the back and raised them 1.5". Now I see they corrected that but messed up the pockets. I'm not sure which is worse?

What I like about USW is if there is a problem it is taken care of ! But again My company like all other business answers e-mails and answers all phone calls and don't read postings on COW that often just a little FYI.. As for myself I like to get to the bottom of a problem not cause more problems ! But that is how I run my business.

Sarge

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:40 pm

After a few PMs back and forth with Sgt Hack and a few phone calls it sounds like they'll be fixing this problem soon, and I am once again anxiously (but patiently) awaiting my US Wings Legend!

Digger4Glory · Post by **Digger4Glory** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:46 pm

Mark Brody wrote:After a few PMs back and forth with Sgt Hack and a few phone calls it sounds like they'll be fixing this problem soon, and I am once again anxiously (but patiently) awaiting my US Wings Legend!

What you got was a fluke, wait to you see the real deal!

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:25 am

So Mark, any word/update?

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:31 pm

I last spoke with US Wings at the end of January. They said they'd fix the problem, but it'd probably be another 2 months before they had corrected jackets in stock. I'll wait until early April to call them back since I'm not expecting any updates until then.

Flyderf · Post by **Flyderf** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:10 pm

Ravenswood wrote:I like using cars to draw analogies:

That's for extra junk in the trunk!

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:06 pm

How high up where the pockets? I just got a large long and the pockets don't seem wrong on mine?

*edit*

Looks like I may have ended up with the same thing. Bummer as I really really like this jacket.

I also must mention that I did email US Wings to ask them about it. So far I've been impressed with the customer service and product. Everybody makes mistakes.

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Oh no! I just ordered a Large Long... I am hoping I don't get the same thing!

You really think they would have stopped selling those until they got them fixed.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:41 pm

you're just too tall for your pockets, piloty-mon!

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:59 pm

If you're still within the return period, I'd call them up about it. Even if you're not, it doesn't hurt to call as they are aware of the screw up. The return instructions they include in the box (also on the website) are pretty straightforward. I have been wondering what they'd do with the defect jackets. I suppose if they continued to sell them and the receiving customers don't notice/complain, they end up in good homes. I'd rather have lower pockets, myself.

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:01 pm

I full agree with you Mark Brody. I paid for it and I want to be 100% happy. It's just a shame because this is easily already the greatest leather jacket I've owned.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:13 pm

Not that I even need to chime in, but I'll add to the consensus, I'm joing "The Pockets are too #### High!" party!

PsychicsAndSwords · Post by **PsychicsAndSwords** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:24 am

WhipDude wrote:I also must mention that I did email US Wings to ask them about it. So far I've been impressed with the customer service and product. Everybody makes mistakes.

Did you get an answer? I've been trying to email them since Tuesday (both Myke and the main info address) and haven't had a response yet. It's surprising because like you, I'd always been impressed with their fast, helpful customer service in the past.

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:25 am

I haven't gotten a reply back yet.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:26 pm

I emailed Myke about with an unrelated question on Thursday and haven't heard from him either, so it may be that he's been unreachable/email issues/vacation, whatever these past couple of days.
As far as this issue at hand, I would be very disappointed if my pockets were that far off. But I guess I wouldn't be surprised if some of these were still floating around in stock and being shipped out in hopes that not everyone will be as picky. It'd be smart if they at least kept those from going out to any COW members.
So far, my experiences with USW customer service have all been positive. Don't give up

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:58 pm

I called and got a very quick reply from a rather nice and helpful lady. From my understanding, all longs are incorrect. It will also be another 4-6 weeks until correct jackets are in.

So I will be definitely shipping mine back asap.

Hope this helps anybody.

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:02 pm

Major bummer. So when I get my Large Long jacket (tomorrow) I will have to send it back ASAP. At least I can see how it fits.

Indyzane · Post by **Indyzane** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:29 pm

WhipDude wrote:All longs are incorrect.

I wonder what's wrong with them? Did she say?