The reworked Fed4 'Holt' streets of Cairo

Post by **Holt** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:21 pm

Hi Guys.

well not long ago I cleaned it, wet it down and took out the bash and pinch.let it stay over night with an open crown.and so on...

I decided to rework the hat once more. alittle lower crown.etc.

here is the hat now reworked into what I think become more SA the before. more beat up. more dust and stains. etc.

please tell me what do you think of it now?

bear in mind the angels might be of.

EDIT

This hat will be for display only, so now I want a new hat I can attack

Holt

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:17 am

This new crown height is more SA. You were right in your thinking. The other crown height didn't look bad on you, but this one is more SoC. Very nice work on the distressing too. This is definately one of the mist SA hats I've seen. Definetly the most SA SoC hat. I would love to see what you coul do with a Penman or AB blocled on their new Raiders blocks. I'm tempted to send you my SoC AB

. You have a great attention to detail, Eric. Great job!

Dave

Venky · Post by **Venky** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:21 am

If it could not get any better....it just did. Very bold move and it defintely is working for you. Man, you are clogging my computer with too many reference shots.

Great Job Holt

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:03 am

That's insanely good, don't touch a thing, preserve it in acrylic. lol, it belongs in a museum.

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:00 am

I love this hat very much!

I know that you take a lots of pictures for this result with the same angles of Raiders and i know it's very hard job, congratulation Holt.

When I have time, i try this with my hats.

Fedoraiders

Post by **Holt** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:07 am

thanx guys.

yes, I take ALOT of pictures to get the angles right. its hard vork. I can easy use 30 minutes on taking pictures.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:43 am

Holt, did you sell your soul to the devil?

You have an uncanny knack for bashing these hats!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:07 am

UN
BELIEVABLE.

That likeness to the original is downright EERIE, Holt.

WELL DONE.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:08 am

Nah, do it over, Holt. It just doesn't capture the true essence of of the SOC look....................

Just kiddin, looks awsome, I've been beating up my Keppler in attempts to get a SOC look.

Keep up the good work, pertty soon people will be sending you there hats for a SA look hat, with out having to do a re-block.

Good job.

Croft

Soup · Post by **Soup** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:42 am

Wow, that looks great Holt. I have a Fed4 that could never look that accurate, your
abilities and eye to detail is awesome.

Amazing work again.

Regards,

Soup

jkdbuck76 · Post by **jkdbuck76** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:43 pm

Wow, Holt.

That looks good. What size of Fed IV you got?

So the Fed IV can be SA.......

rbinko2001 · Post by **rbinko2001** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:03 pm

That hat looks spot on! Excellent work!

Post by **Holt** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:18 pm

jkdbuck76 wrote:Wow, Holt.

That looks good. What size of Fed IV you got?

So the Fed IV can be SA.......

yep. the fed can do it.

the hat is a 58.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:27 pm

I think it looks good, but your first version looked better/closer IMO

Indiana Holt wrote:Thanx again my friend.

here is the latest.

a side by side shot. bear in mind that the angle is 100% perfect. it was pretty hard to get the correct angle. but this was the best picture I could make. and after taking so many shpts the camera needed a recharge.. so i thought waht the heck. its good enuff...

Is this the same hat you also had bashed as an LC?

Post by **Holt** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:55 pm

its just the angle of the picture. the hat is almost identical but the crown is lower now. its more SA.

no its not te same hat I did the LC with. thats another fed.

Im sure Steve will see that the crown is lower on this one. I eager to hear what he thinks of the second round on this one.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:04 pm

here is one more.

again. bear in mind the angle is alittle of.

I am particaly proud of the little swoop in the brim. not the turn swoop on the right side. okay, well that too..

you can see what I mean on the left side on the brim..if you look closely you can see it on Indy's hat to. alltough it may be hard to make out on Indy's hat......but its there..

ark lover · Post by **ark lover** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:14 am

"HA...HA...HA..SON OF A BI" (Raider's quote)..Awesome!

Very well done.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:32 am

Is Indy G responsible for this new found hat obsession?

Ever since he gave you one of his hats as your first you've started a collection

Post by **Holt** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:32 am

hahaha..

nope.. My first ''real'' was a christys.. but that one I wrecked totaly. then came a fed 4 which I turned into the LC. then this hat here.... and then IndyG.

so his hat was the last hat I got.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:47 am

You corrected the crown height issue. And, IMHO, you will never be outdone with this SOC fedora Holt. You have set the benchmark for this particular hat. I am so impressed!

By the way, what crown height did you end up with, if you measure from the old brim break...? (we all realize the ribbon has been slid upwards, so don't measure from the bottom of the ribbon, but rather where the original brim break was)

On the front, the sides, and the back? I think what you tell us will be the original height of the SOC hat, in the film. This crown height has been debated for years. Your hat appears to be dead on in crown height to the film hat, so this would be great info for all of the fans here. Great work Holt. Fedora

Post by **Holt** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:30 am

lets see..its between 4.5'' and 4.75'' at the top front pinch. it varies abit from time to time, depends on how deep I pinch the front and dent the crown.... and 5'' at the side crown.

Scott63 · Post by **Scott63** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:30 am

Holt, thanks for the measurements. Your hat looks absolutely amazing! I agree, I think you’ve set the benchmark with this one.

One more question, did you reshape the crown when you wet it down, or does it still have the basic block shape it had when you got it form Hats Direct? Just wondering because mine seems a lot more rounded off on the sides at the top.

Thanks,
Scott

Post by **Holt** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:00 pm

you can find my hat unworn in the ''streets of cairo'' hat display page. there you can see how it looks unworn and how the block shape is.

you can quote the pictures in here if you want.

Dangerman009 · Post by **Dangerman009** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:28 pm

Most impressive. At first I thought photoshop may be involved. My respects to you sir.

-009

Mistakes Edited

Post by **Holt** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:31 pm

Photoshop???? ...NO..

who is the others?

Dangerman009 · Post by **Dangerman009** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:45 pm

Tundrarider wrote:In your comparison shots, it looks like you cut out Indy's hat and pasted it onto your picture. I guess you can't get much closer than that!

That's the quote. And he's right, you can't get much closer. In fact, I don't think it could get any closer. How about sharing your process.

By the way Holt, I really like your avatar.

-009

][ndy · Post by **][ndy** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:11 am

Holt, I just pull my hat!

Even then, when everyone thinks, you can't get any closer, you pull of something like this.
I really like it and you really have an eye for figuring out all the little details of the SoC fed.

How deep do you bash the side dents? I tried and tried and they just never look right. Not boxy enough and all.

Regards,
Daniel

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:36 pm

thanx

how deep I bash them? I dont know...never thought about that.. I just bash until it looks good.

Im really curious on bashing a penman or an AB...

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:37 pm

I'll send you one of my ABs, but you gotta pay for it over there and back.

Dave

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:42 pm

sure..no problem...but I cant promisse when you get it back it containes an AB

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:55 pm

Dave

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:31 pm

It's incredibly hard to get the bash right, and even more to get the angles right... you nailed both! Perhaps I'll look into the Street of Cairo aswell! Your achievement is almost historical around here (yeah I've said it! Someone had to!), I've never seen a hat matching so many scenes so perfectly. It will hard to try achieve anything better than that!
Blimey, you even got the lighting spot on... that's a meticulous job!

I'm surprised you didn't get the usual question "yes yes BUT how does it look from the back?"... "can we see a 360° of the hat" etc...

Great job, I'm envious end yet intrigued! I MUST try it too.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:33 pm

thanx alot my italian friend.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:40 pm

You're very welcome... honestly, the most amazing job ever seen around here. Oh, and I forgot to mention that...

I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:36 pm

Awesome work, Holt!

Maybe I missed it, but is this a standard Fed4 or a Deluxe?

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:23 pm

Thanx.

its the deluxe

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:17 pm

Thanks Holt, just discovered that on the other thread and was coming back to delete the question!

IndyinMiami · Post by **IndyinMiami** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:20 am

Uhmmm.. I am a bit new to this and all, but Holt, if I were to mail you my AB, do you think you could rebash the thing to match yours?? Its Uncanny!!!! Superb job!!!!

Awsome Work Sir!!

David Bittan

Post by **Holt** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:53 am

Thank you David

but I have to say, no I cant. sorry..this is not done in 5 minutes. its done in days...its alot of work. and I dont have the time....

and Im sure my head shape is different than yours. maby have different sizes too and if I bashed it, it might look way different on your head then it would on mine.

I recommend you start out little by little.. I did the same when I first got my hat...

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:29 am

Holt - as many have said, this hat is inspirational! Newb question: would you recommend softening/distressing up the felt all over the whole hat on a Fed IV before you put the bash in it? Or should you bash it first, then do the softening/distressing?

Post by **Holt** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:21 am

I dont know. just make it soft, I dont think bashing it before or after would make so much of a differ.

but the felt is extremly hard to work with, especially the deluxe. so it requirs alot of work to get it floppy.

thx btw

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:37 am

but I have to say, no I cant. sorry..this is not done in 5 minutes. its done in days...its alot of work. and I dont have the time....

Dead on!! And that is WHY you won't see a SOC hat this accurate from me, or Marc, or even John. Our production would be one hat per week!!! I KNOW the kind of work that it took to get a new hat to look like this. This is better left up to the customer, if they want one as accurate as yours. Because face it, the SOC fedora looks like it is ready for a refurb, and has seen years of wear, which of course, it did not. Fedora

Jersey Raider · Post by **Jersey Raider** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:10 pm

That is a nice job on that hat! I just ordered the Fed 4. I know I will be able to enjoy it with a little work put into it.

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:41 pm

That is without a doubt the worst looking hat I have ever seen... I will have to take possession of it immediately, place it in your interwebs and send it to me stat.

hehe

That is the best Raiders hat I've seen apart from the one on Ford's head. EXCELLENT work!

Randy

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:05 pm

Thanx.

I took away a few pictures in my first post becuz I took a few more pictures of it today.

here is a cleaner picture of the famous ''swoop'' or ''turn''

in this picture you really can see the reverse taper and the back of the crown bulging over the ribbon. you can also see the bulge on the side. and the swoop on the brim and how low the front brim goes.

close up of the crown and the pinch. good for reference.

bear in mind the angle in this picture below is not of the best, but it was the best out of the lot. extremley hard to get this angle right.but you get the idea

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:23 pm

I love that third picture. It looks stunning from that angle. The only thing I would do to that hat, Eric, is work on the bow. If you could get that puffy "v" on the bow like in the Raiders hat, it would make it look better...just about the only thing that can make it look better.

Dave

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:13 am

Indiana Holt wrote:

Holt, I notice that the famous "channel" goes all the way down, behind the ribbon. Did you stich it?

Post by **Holt** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:32 am

no. no fake methods to keep the hat in shape.

Dave, yes I agree...I am working on a new bow. a donor bow I had laying around. soon when I get some fullers I will redust the hat. tweak it some more and sew on a new bow.

thanx guys

][ndy · Post by **][ndy** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:55 am

Thanks for the new pictures, Eric!

They really help, to get a look of how deep or how far back, you bashed the sides. No matter how hard I try, I just don't get the right look on those side dents and I just can't put my finger on it, why...

However, I really admire your work, but as good as it look, I think a big part of the look is the right angle and of course, the right lighting. This way, also the shadows falls like in Raiders!

Keep up the good work, you are inspiring lots of people around here, to take their hat and abuse it

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:40 am

I'm surely not calling it a "fake"

So was just a hard pinch without stitches? I'm surprised it keeps up so well