Last Crusade jacket thread

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:51 am

Indiana Holt wrote:say what you want. even though this is ''confirmed'' to be lambskin and I believe that at least most of the jackets are made out of lambskin. This looks spot on to cowhide. I can see why so many people believe this is cowhide when looking at pictures or screen grabs like these. again it IS spot on to cowhide.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... ennavn.jpg

How can you say that? You can tell nothing in that pic

? might as well be lamb

?
What makes you think it is SPOT ON to cowhide?

CM · Post by CM » Mon May 04, 2009 4:18 am

Sorry, doesn't look like any particular hide to me - sturdy lamb, cow, kangaroo? Maybe...

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:46 am

The jacket is authentic brown lambskin, but I know what Holt means, it gives the impression in the photos that it is a heavier hide than lamb (as Harrison's does in some of the screenshots).

I recently had a close look at KT Templar's Wested ROTLA in cowhide and was able to feel the weight of it. I can tell you it was about three times heavier than my LC lamb.
JTW.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:26 am

I forgot to mention JTW that you have done a very nice distressing job there. Very nice looking jacket.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:02 pm

jones the whip wrote: I recently had a close look at KT Templar's Wested ROTLA in cowhide and was able to feel the weight of it. I can tell you it was about three times heavier than my LC lamb.
JTW.

Sorry, to correct you my friend. The jacket was my CS Proto in Novapelle Cowhide. And yes it is significantly heavier than lamb, though I do like the way it drapes even so.

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:19 pm

Kt Templar wrote:
jones the whip wrote: I recently had a close look at KT Templar's Wested ROTLA in cowhide and was able to feel the weight of it. I can tell you it was about three times heavier than my LC lamb.
JTW.
Sorry, to correct you my friend. The jacket was my CS Proto in Novapelle Cowhide. And yes it is significantly heavier than lamb, though I do like the way it drapes even so.

Sorry mate, I stand corrected.
Hope you are well.
JTW.

BTW, thanks for the compliment crismans.

Harry Gooch · Post by **Harry Gooch** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:57 pm

Has anyone bought this jacket from Wested yet?

http://www.wested.com/new-in-last-crusa ... -105-p.asp

NEW IN Last Crusade Crystal Skull Jacket Authentic Lamb

I have an 80s cut of the rack (from India) Raiders jacket that has the typical tighter/higher armholes in the jacket, and I am wondering if this last crusade crystal skull jacket's armholes are a little looser.

Regards,

Gooch

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:00 pm

yes very loose, to loose in my opinion. and so are the sleeves. way to big.

welcome to the club.

Harry Gooch · Post by **Harry Gooch** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:12 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:yes very loose, to loose in my opinion. and so are the sleeves. way to big.

welcome to the club.

Thanks,

Avatar to appear soon.

Gooch.

jts1031 · Post by **jts1031** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:34 am

Just to further the zipper debate, I believe the zipper to actually be a nickel brass zipper. It would appear silver, but once used for a bit, more of the golden hue of the brass would start to come through. Makes more sense than musical zippers.

RCSignals wrote:
Yojimbo Jones wrote:
But I guess that's not the fun, is it?
Yes.

I still lean to a nickel for the LC jacket. Maybe HF will chime in about his

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:24 pm

Its been awhile.

Lately Ive been working on trying to find out the true length of the LC jacket. I think it is 25.5'' here's why. ( in the last picture Im not looking at the back, but the front length)

and I have been looking closer at the sidestrap placement, they actually ARE placed pretty low on the jacket. Around 3.5'' at least on the smithsonian jacket. You can see that in the first picture above.

But I kinda preffer the motorcycle 'Hero' jacket strap placement, which are higher. All in all I like the Motorcycle 'Hero' jacket way better then the smithsonian jacket.

and here is the true drape of the LC jacket, look at the sleeve. It really looks like the drape of Lambskin but alittle thicker, thats why I think the goatskin once broken in would do a good LC.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:05 pm

25.5" for the back might be right. Way too long for the front.

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:59 am

Hey Holt,
I definitely agree with you regarding the side straps being 3.5" from the bottom of the jacket. The straps on my Wested LC are 3" from the bottom of the jacket and I've always thought they looked a little too low.
It's so frustrating that there are two quite different styles of jacket in this film.

Cheers,
JTW.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:04 am

You can always do what I did and combine the features you liked from both styles.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:23 pm

So, I have been trying to take some pictures to give you an idea how close the wested LC pattern really is to the original smithsonian jacket. it really is close. closer to any other LC offering out there IMO.

But first. The specs like collar, pockets, pocket placement, backpanel, lining,etc. Are all my private specs. I want to show the 'pattern' or 'jacket cut'

In this first picture take notice at the sleeve cut/armhole. The shoulder, the collar and stormflap corner.

in this picture the image is mirror flipped.

what do you think?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:51 pm

Holt , looks like HF has got 'bonier' shoulders than you or else the 'horse hide' is just camoflaginging where the end of your shoulder is........can you point it out in the pic ?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:05 pm

Didn't someone send Wested a file of all the specs to the Smithsonian jacket some time back? As well as to Magnoli?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:14 pm

Hatch,

I have pretty broad shoulders. I just started eating and working out again a couple months ago too... gained a little more weight in pure muscle. So my shoulders end almost by the shoulder seam.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:18 pm

Holt, careful there, you're going to lose that SA physique...........

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:50 pm

Too late..

Today a few hours ago.......and a picture from something like 3 months ago...I guess my 'SA' physique is gone....

I also pointed out where my shoulders end...

CM · Post by CM » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:37 pm

Holt, isn't that a custom Wested, not a standard LC?

My LC is just a Raiders with snaps on the storm flap and looks little like yours or the one in the film.

PS Your recent LC there is the best looking one I have seen (in those shots, anyway).

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:11 pm

Thanx. its the one I got last year, remember?

Its a UK made standard LC with custom mods on it. ala pockets.placement.straps.etc....

if you order a LC from wested you will get a jacket like this but without the same pockets as I have,cause these are my own specs.

its just like ordering a wested raiders, you send you own specs.to make it look SA.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:53 pm

Those Holt Spec Last Crusade Jacket pics look amazing, the only thing I can see is that maybe Ford's jacket is slightly roomier in the forearms, or less tapered there?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:35 am

No, there the same. 6'' at cuff. its just the picture...

Thanx btw

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:01 am

Cuffs on a CS are 6.5". It doesn't sound like much, but that one half inch makes quite a difference.
My first CS has slimmer sleeves, only 5.5". The second has the proper 6.5", and feels quite loose in comparison.
6" sounds just right for a Last Crusade jacket; baggy but not quite Crystal Skull baggy.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:13 am

6.5''...interresting

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:29 pm

That's a fantastic LC jacket, Holt. I agree with you that the cut of Wested's LC/CS jacket is spot on to what we see in the LC film. How close are you to placing your order for your new LC jacket?

SD

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:12 pm

Thanx. I think I'll be ordering the new LC in the end of this month. Then this baby will go to my dad I think. He loves LC and CS and he has been drooling all over this jacket since I got it..

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:46 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:Thanx. I think I'll be ordering the new LC in the end of this month. Then this baby will go to my dad I think. He loves LC and CS and he has been drooling all over this jacket since I got it..

That is so nice! Thats why you are my favorite son.

Uh...pm me for your dear old Dad's current address

.

Ranger36 · Post by **Ranger36** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:13 pm

Bruce Wayne · Post by **Bruce Wayne** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:30 am

hey, holt, what size are those pockets & how far form the bottom are they placed?
thanx!!!
Charlie

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:15 pm

bruce wayne wrote:

hey, holt, what size are those pockets & how far form the bottom are they placed?
thanx!!!
Charlie

While that is a nice jacket Holt (nicer than I remember from the earlier pics last year), there is just something wrong with the overall build of the jacket
that just makes it wrong. The pockets are nearly at your armpits; and you couldn't raise your arm as high as Ford's without really lifting the jacket.
I imagine those armholes must be quite large indeed.
I know it's an early attempt, and I'm sure that the new jacket will correct these issues. Pocket size, shape and placement looks great though, really spot on.
Why not ask Peter for a thicker lambskin too,rather than goat, to make the upcoming jacket really accurate?
I'm not a Wested fan, obviously, but I'm interested to see how well they can work with an informed customer who knows what he wants, and is, I assume,
paying extra for a truly custom job.
I hope it turns out well, and eagerly await more news on the project.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:42 pm

Thanx. the armhoels are quite big as you can tell, but it doesnt bother me that much, you get used to it....

The next one will probably be with the same armholes..cause I kinda have big shoulder and big arms, so I need the room... never have payed anything extra for my mods though......

next one will be in goat or horse. not 100% acurrate of course, but I want a tough hide. I like it.

orb · Post by **orb** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:36 pm

Hey Holt could you please show us your flying squirrel effect?

Regards

orb

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:18 am

orb wrote:Hey Holt could you please show us your flying squirrel effect?

Regards

orb

Lol. Guess it was only a matter of time.

Garzo · Post by **Garzo** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:30 am

Hi Holt,

nice jacket. I was wondering, what is the main difference between your custom pockets and Wested's regular LC/CS pockets? I'm thinking of ordering a LC/CS from Wested but I'm not too crazy about the long vertical, narrow pockets and I think I prefer the more square Raiders style. I prefer big pockets (in which I can stick my hands) over small pockets, and would like them to be more square than rectangular.

I read somewhere that the normal side-entry pockets on the LC/CS are not very big and almost useless as hand-warmer pockets. Is that true?

Any info is much appreciated.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:20 pm

She's a beaut! Kudos!

Thanx todd. I appreciate your words.

Hi Holt,

nice jacket. I was wondering, what is the main difference between your custom pockets and Wested's regular LC/CS pockets? I'm thinking of ordering a LC/CS from Wested but I'm not too crazy about the long vertical, narrow pockets .

You just answered your own question.....mine arent long vertical, narrow pockets.

side warmers are good. no problem with mine.

Garzo · Post by **Garzo** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:39 pm

Holt,

would it be enough to just order the Raiders-style pockets on the LC/CS? Would that give me the nice look of your jacket, or did you order specifically-sized pockets of your own design?

thanks
G

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:18 pm

I ordered of my own design. my own specs...

you can ask for a LC with Holt specs/pockets.. but I dont know if they have saved it.. probably they have..but I cant promise..

If everything goes after plan I'll have my new ''Holt'' LC here soon.. i hope it will be good.

I know JTW is especially eager to see this..

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:50 pm

This is true.

I predict the eagerly awaited 'holt' LC will be the closest to the 'hero' jacket yet to be seen!

JTW.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:12 pm

So Holt you finally ordered your new LC?
Was this using the Smithsonian specs mixed with your own?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:29 pm

yes correct. a mixed spec sheet.

I cant decide between the goatskin I have on the raiders or a thick authentic lamsbkin. or maby dark lambskin...

help me decide

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:33 pm

Thick authentic lamb.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:02 pm

If those are your only choices I would say THICK authentic lamb

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:20 pm

I would have to add my vote for thick authentic lamb.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:33 pm

I just done know..

but there is just somehting about the LC jacket that makes it look dark. not as a dark as the dark br but still a daker shade then auth.br.

and I have allways seen the Indy jacket as a dark jacket.so thats why I'm so torn...

the goatskin is a cross between dark and auth.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:54 pm

Would their darker lamb not fit the bill then?

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:09 pm

I think the reddish/orange/brown (!) undertones on the LC jacket, especially noticable where the distressing is heaviest, are very important in getting
the look right. My Wested authentic lamb and dark brown lamb both distressed to a rather dull grey colour.
My first Crystal Skull jacket from Tony in the original, lighter colour is too light for an LC, but my other jacket in the darker cowhide is much closer. It's dark, but where Tony
has lightly distressed it, shows a great red/brown colour underneath.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:25 pm

Shown these before, of course, but here's Tony's dark CS leather done up LC style:

Rikimaru · Post by **Rikimaru** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:42 am

In regards to the LC jacket by Tony, which leather looks closer to what is seen on screen? Italian cowhide or the dark CS cowhide? I'm going off of crismans and orbs jackets, but we all know how misleading pictures can be....