Presenting THE most SA CS Fedora...(Special CS White Liner)

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:08 pm

Michaelson wrote:No, go re-read the classified ad in the vendors section. The only thing discussed was the liner. There is no mention of making it on Ford's block size....unless, of course, your head size is the same as Ford's.

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Specificially, this line...

If interested, just use paypal and my email address, sdelk@cableone.net to pay me. Email me your specs, and info. If not, I will put these up and save em for a future sale.

I found 6, but one I am keeping for me. It is not for sale. Thanks. Steve
Regards! Michaelson

Ok, for clarification, even though this hat wasnt made on Fords block, it WAS made on a block utilized for production. As Steve stated above "the block I used was not a replication of this block, but an original, and one that I actually used to create the film hats. I sent Ford's size,(22 7/8) then 23 incher(s) several 22 1/4, and a several 7 5/8." So, even though this hat wasnt made in Fords size, I still would consider it an "SA Production" size. Perhaps one of the 7 5/8 ended up on a stuntmans head but thats just speculation at this point.

Anyway, here are some more shots of this hat taken in natural light. Its sitting atop Todds (or rather Dorfman's) hat stand which I think it an excellent accessory for hat owners to have. Here they are

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:21 pm

There were several made in 7 5/8 for stunt doubles after stunt men kept dropping like flies during production, yes.

Regards! Michaelson

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:50 pm

I see. If you have the hat made to Fords specs, then Steve could use the "ford block", otherwise he has different blocks for different hat sizes. Am I wrong here? I don't have a fedora, so I am not sure how it works. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:03 pm

Mitch LaRue wrote:Hey Charlie,
I'm pokin' my head in here a little on the late side (after all, the little "dust-up" has already died down... I usually try to show up before they start)... but I just wanted to say a really simple - and sincere - congratulations on that Prize Hat of yours.
It's amazing... a real treasure... and while I'm just a little bit jealous, I'm also really happy that it's travelled from being in such good hands (Steve's) to being in such good care (yours).
HAPPY for you, my friend.

.....

Alright...

That's all the "nice" I can manage...

(Dave, the car is all gassed up... I'll pick you up in an hour and then we'll... errr... pay a little visit to those two locations we were... y'know... talkin' about... that... one time... )

I thought we could take my mustang, you know, with the speed and all it might make a good getaway car. But if you have more trunkspace, lets go with yours!

Yes, Keith, thats how it works.

Dave

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:16 pm

Cool! Thanks for the reply.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:39 pm

DR Ulloa wrote:
Mitch LaRue wrote:Hey Charlie,
I'm pokin' my head in here a little on the late side (after all, the little "dust-up" has already died down... I usually try to show up before they start)... but I just wanted to say a really simple - and sincere - congratulations on that Prize Hat of yours.
It's amazing... a real treasure... and while I'm just a little bit jealous, I'm also really happy that it's travelled from being in such good hands (Steve's) to being in such good care (yours).
HAPPY for you, my friend.

.....

Alright...

That's all the "nice" I can manage...

(Dave, the car is all gassed up... I'll pick you up in an hour and then we'll... errr... pay a little visit to those two locations we were... y'know... talkin' about... that... one time... )

I thought we could take my mustang, you know, with the speed and all it might make a good getaway car. But if you have more trunkspace, lets go with yours!

Yes, Keith, thats how it works.

Dave

(In News Announcer Voice) And in other news, a daring attempted robbery involving a prized fedora took place at a fullerton home today. The two theives scaled a 10ft wall lined with razor sharp barbwire, tranquilized the on-site attack dog and used a rocket propelled grenade launcher to break into the home. Unfortunately, due to blood loss from climbing through the razor wire and the after effects of a tranquiler dart which missed the dog and hit one of the culprits in the neck, both men were found at the crime scene unconscious, the fedora clutched in their hands...hahaha LOL

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:59 pm

Yeah, but we got it!

Dave

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:08 pm

Oh, you two will get it, alright!

Let's get back to appreciating this hat properly.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:30 pm

Wow, dude you got the rare hat of the group. This hat was the sample hat that accidently got picked up and aged and dyed by the girl at Western Costume. It had the Staff of Ra Headpiece on the liner. This hat is the shorter one that appeared in the film, once outside and once inside. And the first hat grabbed and used at the beginning of the filming in Hawaii. And the ONLY hat that had the AB logo on the liner. Once Bernie got the hat back, he then noticed the Staff of Ra crest, and that was when he knew the sample hat was sent to the film site. But the footage had been shot, so he put it back to re-use it in the inside scenes, for continuities sake. Congrats on owning the rarest hat of the group!!!! The number 3 hat as noted on a certain part of the hat.(can't divulge too much info on this for apparent reasons.)

Thanks, NOW I recall that. Like I said, some things I have gotten a bit foggy on.

And whomever called me and left the nasty message, in regards to this hat, I DON'T TAKE CALLS ABOUT POSTS ON ANY FORUM! Period. I don't have time for that sort of bullcrap. And if you want to sue me, as you mentioned, go for it buddy!

Personally I would have never bought a hat from Western Costume, and I reckon I will call Bernie to see if he gave that one away to settle this mess. If not, well, a lawsuit may be in order, but you won't be doing it. They will. Lucas got some deep pockets. I was out of this deal, as soon as I mailed them the hats. So sue me. I am innocent, as I just wrote what I recollected, at the time. Geez. Fedora

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:14 pm

I just wonder why everyone gets so offensive about what is more SA. I regret placing the title at the "MOST SA CS Fedora" as the title of this thread. Steve is a great guy and makes some of the best quality hats on the market. The fact is, that this vintage white liner was used on MOST of the hats and was seen on screen. However, new testimony is coming to the surface which suggests that a liner with the standard AB Ra logo was in the film, although this wasnt seen on screen. I think what it comes down to is which is the more rare hat. In that case, its this one. But thats not to say that standard ABs lack quality. They are fantastic hats and a pretty darn SA to boot! I hope I didnt open a huge can of worms and I think there are some other seperate issues regarding other fedoras (i think). if thats the case, they belong in another thread as Michaelson already stated.

All in all, I am eagerly awaiting to see the other 5 "whities" (because of their white liner, duh

). I requested a CS bash. Did anyone get a raiders idol or perhaps even a raven Bar?

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:23 pm

I can't imagine why they would. It wouldn't make sense to me.

Dave

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:47 am

ReturningSon wrote:I just wonder why everyone gets so offensive about what is more SA. I regret placing the title at the "MOST SA CS Fedora" as the title of this thread. Steve is a great guy and makes some of the best quality hats on the market. The fact is, that this vintage white liner was used on MOST of the hats and was seen on screen. However, new testimony is coming to the surface which suggests that a liner with the standard AB Ra logo was in the film, although this wasnt seen on screen. I think what it comes down to is which is the more rare hat. In that case, its this one.

I think you shouldn't have any regrets about naming the thread, as it is correct in a way. Since both liners were used in the movie, then both kinds would be screen accurate. However, since this vintage liner was the one used on the majority of the fedoras, then that would make an AB CS fedora with that specific liner the 'more' screen-accurate one... Hence, it wouldn't be far off to say that this would be the MOST SA CS Fedora...

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:03 am

And the only liner used in the Hero hat, if I'm not mistaken.

Dave

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:15 am

DR Ulloa wrote:I can't imagine why they would. It wouldn't make sense to me.

Dave

I agree that it would completely defeat the purpose, and that's why I'm getting both of mine done CS style!

But I think it would be a little cool as well, because if you think about it, you'd most likely be the ONLY owner of that limited run to try something different! I mean, I can respect that, especially since that individual wouldn't be a zombie following the pack (which I'm guilty of

), but rather, someone that takes Indy's style (as well as S.A. materials!) and makes it his/her own.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:57 am

Fedora wrote:
Wow, dude you got the rare hat of the group. This hat was the sample hat that accidently got picked up and aged and dyed by the girl at Western Costume. It had the Staff of Ra Headpiece on the liner. This hat is the shorter one that appeared in the film, once outside and once inside. And the first hat grabbed and used at the beginning of the filming in Hawaii. And the ONLY hat that had the AB logo on the liner. Once Bernie got the hat back, he then noticed the Staff of Ra crest, and that was when he knew the sample hat was sent to the film site. But the footage had been shot, so he put it back to re-use it in the inside scenes, for continuities sake. Congrats on owning the rarest hat of the group!!!! The number 3 hat as noted on a certain part of the hat.(can't divulge too much info on this for apparent reasons.)
Thanks, NOW I recall that. Like I said, some things I have gotten a bit foggy on.

And whomever called me and left the nasty message, in regards to this hat, I DON'T TAKE CALLS ABOUT POSTS ON ANY FORUM! Period. I don't have time for that sort of bullcrap. And if you want to sue me, as you mentioned, go for it buddy!

Personally I would have never bought a hat from Western Costume, and I reckon I will call Bernie to see if he gave that one away to settle this mess. If not, well, a lawsuit may be in order, but you won't be doing it. They will. Lucas got some deep pockets. I was out of this deal, as soon as I mailed them the hats. So sue me. I am innocent, as I just wrote what I recollected, at the time. Geez. Fedora

I find it interesting a hat would be sold by Western Costumes like that. I was under the impression that all the costume pieces were being saved for another movie. Then again, maybe since this hat was a development sample that wasn't supposed to be used they decided to let it go?

In another thread it was mentioned that one hat had gone missing.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:10 pm

Anyone else get theirs yet?

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:28 pm

ReturningSon wrote:Anyone else get theirs yet?

I actually just recieved #2 today!

Now I'll just have to wait for #3!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:54 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
I actually just recieved #2 today!

Now I'll just have to wait for #3!

You only bought two?

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:10 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
ReturningSon wrote:Anyone else get theirs yet?
I actually just recieved #2 today!

Now I'll just have to wait for #3!

Pics...pics!!!!!

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:32 pm

Yes! Post photos of the hat please...and of the second one once you get that one!

Dave

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:35 am

RCSignals wrote:
Castor Dioscuri wrote:
I actually just recieved #2 today!

Now I'll just have to wait for #3!
You only bought two?

Well, I was afraid of starting a lynch mob!

ReturningSon, I thought yours was just too beautiful for me to even consider posting one of my own!

But I'll be sure to put up one for Dr Ulloa, just as soon as I get my 'display' set up!

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:25 am

Woohoo!

Dave

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:17 pm

Need some pics....

swa737 · Post by **swa737** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Patiently waiting...still waiting...still waiting...

Can't wait to get mine!

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:48 am

Here is some info on the blocks used for the film.

At the time that I sent in a "different block" I had a size 7 1/4(but marked as a 7 3/8), a size 7(actually between a 7 and a 7 1/8 in actual size) and a size 7 5/8, that was correct in the circumference for that size. As soon as that block was chosen, much to my surprise, I had Lamode run me other sizes in case they were needed. He put this on the fast track for me.

I was a bit concerned about Lamode not being able to replicate the vintage block to the detail, and used the Ford block to make the 22 7/8 used for Ford, along with the 7 3/8 hats for the stunt doubles. For the smaller hats, I used the size 7 block. Later on, it was a coincidence that one of the replacement stunt doubles had a hat size of 7 5/8, and lucky for me that I had this block in stock, an original vintage block that came with the other blocks used for this film.

John Williams also wore a 7 5/8 hat, and I was able to use the original block for his hat too! In fact, every hat we made for the film used the vintage blocks.

Lamode did any excellent job in replicating the vintage blocks. His replicator machine was working well for this quest, and I must admit I was indeed worried that he could do so. I can't tell any difference in the block shape of what I got from him, versus the vintage blocks.

All of these blocks were 6 inch tall blocks. I blocked all of them at 6 inches, and then shrunk them up to the 5 1/2 crown height requested while still on the block. But that is how I was making my hats already. I think shrinkage while on the block makes a more stable hat, over time. Felt shrinks, it is the nature of the beast. It is much more convenient and faster to just use a 5 1/2 tall block for a 5 1/2 tall hat, but my hats are not about quickness, although it is tempting to speed up the process when you have a huge backlog like I do. But, I just can't do it!!

When LLS came over to learn how I make hats, I taught him this manner of blocking. He is currently using this technique, which gratifies me. Now, this should be my trade secret, and if we had not made the Indy 4 hats, I probably would not even mention it!!

No one else blocks hats using this technique, but should do so, IMO. Modern felt really needs all of the tricks you can pull out of the proverbial hat!! Fedora

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun May 03, 2009 4:13 am

All that talk about blocks went straight over my head, but that may be because I'm head over heels in love with the master's artwork! I can't really say anything else that hasn't been said before about Steve's work, but I can assure you that everything you heard was all true!!!

swa737 wrote:Patiently waiting...still waiting...still waiting...

Can't wait to get mine!

Shouldn't be too long now, I just recieved my second fedora of the two I ordered, which means #2 and #3 are finally in my hands! Well... not literally, as #2 is actually in the hands of an artisan who is doing something extra special for it! From one master craftsman to me then to another master craftsman! Then back to little ol' me again...

Once I get it back, I'll be sure to post pictures of frankly the most amazing and screen-accurate fedora I've ever held in my hands! Who would've thought I would see a spitting image of Indy when I looked in the mirror! Well, at least from the eyebrows upwards...

I am rather curious though about the liner though. Many (including Steve) mentioned that the liner seems to be made (partially) from tissue paper, and I'm wondering if it actually is a kind of tissue? If so, I'd assume that it would have a limited lifespan if used and abused, as I doubt tissue paper really lends itself to re-use... Although when I get my clothes back from the cleaners, I occasionally do find a dry-cleaned tissue paper in my pocket, so...

swa737 · Post by **swa737** » Sun May 03, 2009 6:09 pm

Curiosity is killing me...What are you having done to yours by another artist???

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Sun May 03, 2009 6:22 pm

I would assume that he had it sent to Marc to have it worked on by him that way both the master hatters of Adventurebilt would have worked on the hat. At least, thats all I can think of.

Dave

swa737 · Post by **swa737** » Sun May 03, 2009 7:30 pm

What would Marc do to it?

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:29 am

Reblock it. Put on a new ribbon. Who knows? I would assume that if another hatter is working on it it would be Marc, that way both CS hatters would have worked their magic into the hat making it the ultimate CS fedora.

Dave

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:08 am

Curiousity is killing me too, and misery loves company, so I'll let you all suffer to until my I get it back in my hands and my curiousity is finally satiated! Mwahahaha!

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:17 am

Maybe he's having the pinch tweaked by Mark Meija ?

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:47 am

Dave

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:57 pm

Hungary for pics!

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Wed May 20, 2009 6:46 pm

Well, I put my fedora up in the Bazaar. Dont get me wrong, I FREAKIN LOVE THIS HAt. Its so awesome. Just the Tony Nowak Bug has bitten me bad (and, go figure, the one leather I like most is the most expensive! CURSE YOU SHRUKEN LAMB!!) Anyway, I raised the price on it a little. If it doesnt sell here, I have no problem to pack this baby away and sell it in ten years.

I still would like to see some pics of the other fedoras though!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:33 pm

Nothing like turning a quick profit.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Wed May 20, 2009 11:59 pm

Yes, your absolutely right!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu May 21, 2009 1:10 am

Come on now, there's nothing wrong with a little capitalism!

...and on another note, pictures of my own SA CS AB (now there's a mouthful) to be unveiled tomorrow, along with its much discussed 'addition! Watch this space!

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:49 pm

Can't wait to see them.

Dave

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu May 21, 2009 3:04 pm

Well doc, as promised:

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