We've only compared front shots here.
Yeah, that's why I have not ordered yet. Still trying to figure out the right measurements.Yep, messy measurements - it's the art of putting them together that's the fun bit!
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Yeah, that's why I have not ordered yet. Still trying to figure out the right measurements.Yep, messy measurements - it's the art of putting them together that's the fun bit!
What's that have to do with any of this?Platon. This is the biggest problem I have with you. You participated in Rask's thread. Then you post above something Rask said to try and prove your point in a different thread. Purposefully and knowingly taking it out of context. Because right below the post you CHOSE to quote is this, "Thank you Platon and Crismans. I just meassured my wested and sent Tony the information with some pictures."
Sure, he will but we were not discussing what Tony is capable of.He measured his WESTED Platon. TN will make the jacket however you want it made. ??? that you chose to edit in your above post is exactly the problem.
Are you saying that a 23 inch jacket that looks OK on a 38 size person will not look short on a 44 size person?3. It can't look too short on Yojimbo Platon because it doesn't look too short on HF.
I admit and confirm that all your zoolander poses match the film jacket.Do you admit that the match between my jacket and the actual jacket in the actual movie is more or less a match?
Woo hoo! I'll take that, thank you.PLATON wrote:I admit and confirm that all your zoolander poses match the film jacket.Do you admit that the match between my jacket and the actual jacket in the actual movie is more or less a match?
It's also notable that althought it is the same jacket, in the bottom pic the back looks longer (I've had it with this optical illusion thing)
OK that but I didn't say yours is long and his is short 'cause they're the about the same length.Sorry to disagree this time with you, Platon, but I don't see Yojimbo's jacket as short as you think, neither mine as long as you beleive.
Ok, Ok... I meant that too. I am not very good with my EnglishPlaton wrote:I said yours "looks" longer on you.
Nothing weird about it. The film jacket was either 22 or 23 inches.This whole length obsession is wierd.
Very true, but there is one main jacket which Ford wore for most of the film, same with the hat. That particular jacket has attributes that the others made for the film seem not to have. The Nowak jacket is not one the main hero jacket, but close. It looks like Yojimbo's is closest yet to that jacket. The hide, collar, pockets, way the side vents open effortlessly, the fit, etc. It was just my opinion it looked a hair too short, long arms or not.There is no such thing as the "ONE" jacket. As a film professional I can say that no production has "ONE" hero jacket.
neutronbomb wrote:Well Zen, I have a different perspective.
1. Most people are naturally resistant to change. There are entire books written about the subject. That's where the term "new blood" comes from. Most companies understand this and actively bring in new people with fresh insights because they know if they continue to follow the old school of thought within their company they're not mitigating the risk that is inherit whenever there's an old boys club established. Your the second person on this thread to post about "knowing people for years" and "I've been studying this subject for 10 years". Here's a thought. Maybe you've made "friends" online for 10 years, but it doesn't necessarily mean the 10 years really means anything if the information is incorrect. It's an interesting insight into human fallacy to automatically put weight on, "I have 3 or 5 or whatever years of experience". Really, what if you have one day of poor experience and it's been repeated for 10 years? What if the person with all this experience is unreliable in multiple ways? I don't begrudge you this Zen because really that's how people operate.
2. I came on the scene a few months after TN a professional jacket maker received a ROLA jacket to copy and started making jackets. It quickly became obvious the "experts" who've been here for years and been studying "the jacket" for years (really, fascinating really. Didn't realize all of you had spent so many years with a ROLA jacket in your hands to study) had someone how missed so many facts. Oh, for instance the leather type.
3. Yeah, I'm abrasive. _ has talked about his personality type before and I've seen the resistance to his insights and research from the "old boys" club. Well I'm that times 10. Intense would be a soft term. I don't tend to suffer fools easily and part of that is when it's crystal clear someone is proposing misleading facts. Don't lose sight of the fact the dozen or so members on here who know each other and post the most and may know all the inside stuff are not the only ones who read these threads. There are many who come on here and ask a question to make a buying decision, get incorrect information, and off they go. I was one of them. So I don't post for Zen, and I don't post for agent5, or DJ, or KT, or any of you 10 year experience members, and I don't post to try to convince Platon of anything. I post for the poor guy who stumbles on here and gets hit with, "if your chest size is a 38 then your length needs to be 22 inches period". I tend to operate on correct information and I tend to be right for a lot of reasons. Way more often than not. So, when I see these little old boy club rules of IMO and hey, I could be wrong and well, it's just my 2 cents, and hey, I don't even know why I'm posting because I'm such a moron that no one should listen to me, it's aggravating. It dilutes the message. Clearly, it's to prevent fighting and it's a system that's been worked out over time to try to keep from stepping on peoples toes so I've tried it out. Doesn't work for me. For one, whenever somebody posts it's redundant. Of, course it's just their opinion. They're the one typing it. Second, I get hit with someone saying I'm using "weasel words".
So yeah, sorry Zen. I'm not a touchy feely type.
4. I'm not on anybodies side. I'm always on the side of correct information, whatever that may be and wherever it may be found. And I think it's pretty obvious in the three months I've been here there's a source that has provided a limitless pool of incorrect information for 10+ years.
5. I personally want a jacket made by the best that's available. Of course that's IMHO. But, that's how I typically make my decisions. I realize there are a several different vendors who all offer quality products and people should get the facts, weigh the pros and cons, and go with the vendor that meets their needs best. For the most part that's how it works here in this community. But don't be blind to the fact that some have agendas that are not in the best interests of my fellow COW members and/or post incorrect (IMHO) information and I'm always going to address it. Because I really don't care and I mean this in the most sincere and nice way possible about long time members feelings on the subject.
Here three months and you're already a legend in your own mind. Good for you, Mr.Hawking. I guess we'll all just wait for you to gather all of the correct info and sit back and enjoy because chances are you are always going to be entirely correct. Bravo.I tend to operate on correct information and I tend to be right for a lot of reasons. Way more often than not.
Let's take a moment to read your response here...neutronbomb wrote:Well Zen, I have a different perspective.
1. Most people are naturally resistant to change. There are entire books written about the subject. That's where the term "new blood" comes from. Most companies understand this and actively bring in new people with fresh insights because they know if they continue to follow the old school of thought within their company they're not mitigating the risk that is inherit whenever there's an old boys club established. Your the second person on this thread to post about "knowing people for years" and "I've been studying this subject for 10 years". Here's a thought. Maybe you've made "friends" online for 10 years, but it doesn't necessarily mean the 10 years really means anything if the information is incorrect. It's an interesting insight into human fallacy to automatically put weight on, "I have 3 or 5 or whatever years of experience". Really, what if you have one day of poor experience and it's been repeated for 10 years? What if the person with all this experience is unreliable in multiple ways? I don't begrudge you this Zen because really that's how people operate.
2. I came on the scene a few months after TN a professional jacket maker received a ROLA jacket to copy and started making jackets. It quickly became obvious the "experts" who've been here for years and been studying "the jacket" for years (really, fascinating really. Didn't realize all of you had spent so many years with a ROLA jacket in your hands to study) had someone how missed so many facts. Oh, for instance the leather type.
3. Yeah, I'm abrasive. _ has talked about his personality type before and I've seen the resistance to his insights and research from the "old boys" club. Well I'm that times 10. Intense would be a soft term. I don't tend to suffer fools easily and part of that is when it's crystal clear someone is proposing misleading facts. Don't lose sight of the fact the dozen or so members on here who know each other and post the most and may know all the inside stuff are not the only ones who read these threads. There are many who come on here and ask a question to make a buying decision, get incorrect information, and off they go. I was one of them. So I don't post for Zen, and I don't post for agent5, or DJ, or KT, or any of you 10 year experience members, and I don't post to try to convince Platon of anything. I post for the poor guy who stumbles on here and gets hit with, "if your chest size is a 38 then your length needs to be 22 inches period". I tend to operate on correct information and I tend to be right for a lot of reasons. Way more often than not. So, when I see these little old boy club rules of IMO and hey, I could be wrong and well, it's just my 2 cents, and hey, I don't even know why I'm posting because I'm such a moron that no one should listen to me, it's aggravating. It dilutes the message. Clearly, it's to prevent fighting and it's a system that's been worked out over time to try to keep from stepping on peoples toes so I've tried it out. Doesn't work for me. For one, whenever somebody posts it's redundant. Of, course it's just their opinion. They're the one typing it. Second, I get hit with someone saying I'm using "weasel words".
So yeah, sorry Zen. I'm not a touchy feely type.
4. I'm not on anybodies side. I'm always on the side of correct information, whatever that may be and wherever it may be found. And I think it's pretty obvious in the three months I've been here there's a source that has provided a limitless pool of incorrect information for 10+ years.
5. I personally want a jacket made by the best that's available. Of course that's IMHO. But, that's how I typically make my decisions. I realize there are a several different vendors who all offer quality products and people should get the facts, weigh the pros and cons, and go with the vendor that meets their needs best. For the most part that's how it works here in this community. But don't be blind to the fact that some have agendas that are not in the best interests of my fellow COW members and/or post incorrect (IMHO) information and I'm always going to address it. Because I really don't care and I mean this in the most sincere and nice way possible about long time members feelings on the subject.
Actually, this has been going on since day one and is usually taken with a grain of salt. Of course people will have an opinion but it's all in how it's stated that has ever made a difference.There is a definite pattern to these threads lately, someone posts their jacket and a select, vocal few come on and post what they see wrong with it.
Thank you. This is very true and points to the fact people are now saying the "real" hero jacket must be the temple jacket or bar jacket - anything to try and cast a cloud over the evil Nowak Hawaii jacket.Yojimbo Jones wrote: The thing I was curious about with Nowak's "Hawaii"-based template was this issue of jacket variation - how different was it REALLY to the Temple version? Well, I think the answer is not very much at all.
We do know for certain, without any doubt that there were subtle differences in the jackets made but it was all basically in the minute details (collar/yoke seam) and not the overall fit, which seems perfect in his jackets.We don't know either way if there were differences in the several jackets.
He did copy a hero jacket. Accept the fact and sleep better at night.Zendragon wrote:If Tony really did get a hero jacket, and his jacket is an exact copy. We will end up making changes to it cause it doesn't look right lol. He may as well have just made a replica from the start
Hahaha back to this eh? Glad you are convinced, but no one has offered actual proof of this, so I will go with the theory that he may have until I am shown otherwise. Sadly it is not fact if there is no proof offered. But I am not arguing that point. I am not saying that he did or didn't because I can't support either claim. Something tells me that you can't either.Raider S wrote:He did copy a hero jacket. Accept the fact and sleep better at night.Zendragon wrote:If Tony really did get a hero jacket, and his jacket is an exact copy. We will end up making changes to it cause it doesn't look right lol. He may as well have just made a replica from the start
Soon Wested will have a copy of Tony's copy of a hero jacket; maybe then everybody will be happy...
Uh-oh. Looks like RCSignals has gotten to you.why would you not want to call and talk to the man who made the jackets for the latest movie?
You are the one who came in to state that it was a fact. I wasn't in here casting doubt either. READ what I wrote again...Raider S wrote:You can't stop trying to cast doubt about it in nearly every thread and every post you make. You know the "do you still beat your wife" question? That's what you keep doing.
There's far more proof he copied a hero jacket than proof he did not. In fact there's been ZERO evidence to suggest he didn't. Zero.
If you're going to keep doubting, at least speak to the man and direct your questions there instead of stirring the pot here. You've been a member with a long-term interest in the jacket - why would you not want to call and talk to the man who made the jackets for the latest movie? Sounds like it would be worthwhile no matter what you feel about his Raiders copy.
That's essentially what happened to the Wested jacket. So many variations, alterations, and suggestions were made and incorporated from fan input over the years that if the very first replica had been made from an original pattern, you wouldn't know it!Zendragon wrote: Funny when you think about it. If Tony really did get a hero jacket, and his jacket is an exact copy. We will end up making changes to it cause it doesn't look right lol. He may as well have just made a replica from the start
You are absolutely right. I would imagine that if we held "THE" jacket in our hands, we would be like "hmph, this doesn't look right"binkmeisterRick wrote:That's essentially what happened to the Wested jacket. So many variations, alterations, and suggestions were made and incorporated from fan input over the years that if the very first replica had been made from an original pattern, you wouldn't know it!Zendragon wrote: Funny when you think about it. If Tony really did get a hero jacket, and his jacket is an exact copy. We will end up making changes to it cause it doesn't look right lol. He may as well have just made a replica from the start
And yes, it is sad that every Nowak thread seems to go down this same exact path. All the arguments are tired and beaten so much that there's hardly a horse left to beat at this point. And it doesn't seem to matter when threads get closed down because the same exact tired arguments get transferred into yet another Nowak thread. Give it a rest folks, or read the previous reruns from all the other threads we had to lock because things got out of hand. It'd sure be awful nice if we could get this thread back on track again.
Yojimbo, you have a nice looking jacket and it looks good on you, regardless of what anyone says, and regardless of who made it.
Ok seeing how I thought we were trying to get this thread back on track, I will answer your question and then if you still feel the need to discuss it, then you can PM me.Raider S wrote:Zen, why won't you call Tony? You say you're really interested in these jackets but won't call to ask your own questions. I can't understand this. The people who keep arguing and doubting never want to try and go to the source directly to get answers. In fact they seem to avoid it at all costs.
If I have a question about something I can ask here, but if it's something I feel is important isn't it usually best to ask directly? When I had a USW question I called USW. When I had a Todd's issue I called Todd. When I wanted to find out about Tony's work I called him. Makes sense to me.
Zen, with you I'm starting to feel like Homer Simpson with Mr Burns with the repeatedly not remembering my name thing!Zendragon wrote:Sorry Yohimbe, back to your wonderful jacket!
Oh good, you can start in on him nowagent5 wrote:Uh-oh. Looks like RCSignals has gotten to you.why would you not want to call and talk to the man who made the jackets for the latest movie?
There does seem to be one, if you've been following along. _.agent5 wrote:
............ However, Zen is 110% correct that not one of you here, not one, is absolutely certain of that. Glass half full / glass half empty... but still all fun.
I think there need s to be a new thread on thisDutch_jones wrote:So are we sure the collar on the temple jacket has one sharp and one round tip ? Are you absolutely positive its not an optical illusion?
theres already an optical illusions thread. I can't find the picture used but where does the collar tip look sharp? Anybody have that image?RCSignals wrote:I think there need s to be a new thread on thisDutch_jones wrote:So are we sure the collar on the temple jacket has one sharp and one round tip ? Are you absolutely positive its not an optical illusion?