Temple of Doom Tux

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:10 pm

I am thinking of getting a made to measure version of Indy's Temple of Doom Tux at http://www.mycustomtailor.com/index.php , which will make a suit of any descripton so long as you provide them with one.

To do so, I would need full length photos of Indy. Where could I get them. Or could people please post them here. (Since, I believe, that Rick in Casablanca wore the same suit, full length phots of Bogy would also be good.)

Also, what sort of materials would be best. While one begins with the idea that -within budgetary constraints - the finer the better, this might not necessarily be the case with this suit. This definitely has to be the sort of suit that can face down Shanghai gangsters or the Gestapo.

Post by **Ken** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:32 pm

I almost ordered exactly the same Tux jacket from them but had to spend the money on other things in the end. I am most itnerested in seeing how it turns out.

I think there are differences between the Indy tux and Rick's tux though - go to http://fedoralounge.skyblueproductions.net and look for postings on Rick's tux as a few people have had a replica made.

Ken

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:43 am

I did the Temple of Doom tux, check out my current avatar. The main tux pieces are regular tux fair:

Black Tuxedo pants with the Black Stripe
White Tuxedo shirt but NO PLEATS on the front, it's smooth
White Suspenders
Black Vest with 3 buttons (I had to get a 4 button backless as that's all I found at the time)
Black Tuxedo Tie, it's the regular clasp on the side variety
Black Shoes
Black press on studs on shirt
Cufflinks (can't pin 'em down thou... used a pair of my fathers I own)

Jacket - this I had to have custom done. It's an Ivory Dinner Jacket, wool, one button, single breasted jacket with a Peak Lapel. Bogie's in Casablanca was a double breasted with a Shawl Collar Lapel. Four buttons on each sleeve and don't forget the red carnation!

My jacket was made by The Magic Wardrobe: http://www.the-magic-wardrobe.com/ The pictures on their site are the prototype, being the jacket I now own. http://www.the-magic-wardrobe.com/Costu ... y=1930%27s

Use the DVD's for reference, as you'll get good shots of the different pieces. Even shots of Willie in his shirt, pants, and jacket help too. Right when he gets on the plane, you can tell the Bow Tie is a clasp on side variety. I've seen pictures in books and on The Raider.net and The Indy Experience showing the white suspenders. Never could tell if the vest was a full vest, or a backless kind. I'm sure it was a full vest, with 3 buttons and a V-type opening in front.

Good luck!

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:16 pm

I was waiting for my esteemed colleague, MJ to respond. And he did so eloquently. The key word is "Peaked" lapel collar. For white dinner jackets, "Peaked" lapel collars are as rare as hens teeth. I flat out searched far and wide on the internet, ebay, vintage shops, etc. MJ had is custom tailored.

Now if you want the Bogie jacket, the shawl collar is very common.

-S

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:52 pm

Thanks for the feedback.

Economics aside, seeing as how these would be custom-ordered, there is no reason not to order both the peaked (Indy) and shawl-collared (Rick) jackets.

Are there any other distinctions between the two outfits (shirt, pants, vest, etc)?

Band Director Jones · Post by **Band Director Jones** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:57 pm

How about this one?

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:04 pm

That's close, but you need to avoid the "satin" finish on the lapels, pocket liner, etc.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:22 pm

Sergei wrote:That's close, but you need to avoid the "satin" finish on the lapels, pocket liner, etc.

Avoid?

I thought satin lapels are what makes it a tux - all tuxedos (apart from modern 'trendy' ones) I've seen has them... my black tux has satin lapels and satin stripes down the pant legs...

Does Indy's dinner jacket in ToD only have fabric lapels?

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:21 pm

Here's a tux offered on MyCustomTailors.com. It seems to me that if we tell them to change the black jacket to white, we have something that looks a lot like Indy's.

No.7623 - Peak lapel low gorge pleated pant mens tuxedo suit that can be combined with a matching vest for a three piece ensemble

How, in detail, would such a tux differ from Indy's?

In case you folks don't realize, MyCustomTailors can make any order, so it should be very possible to send them a photo of Indy in tux and tell them to copy it. For example, they show a photo of Connery/Bond in a tux as one of their offerings.

So just getting hold of a set of photos of Indy in tux would be great.

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:47 pm

BTW: Here's a tux that looks a lot like Rick's:

And here's a photo of Connery as Bond:

Band Director Jones · Post by **Band Director Jones** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:04 pm

Those two tuxedo jackets are quite easy to find. Any place that sells tuxedos should carry these two styles or at least get them easily.

Actually, the Indy style tuxedo (white/ivory with peaked lapels) is easy to find, but in polyester, not wool. I know because I get brochures from uniform companies every week (at least 3-4 different ones) with this style. However, being 100% polyester and not wool I pass on them. Finding a wool tuxedo with the Indy features is tough.

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:52 pm

Here's Bogy:

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:36 pm

I count five (5) buttons on Indy's vest:

and four (4) buttons on his cuff:

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:39 pm

BTW, the prior post also shows Indy's tux had a white lining.

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:43 pm

Query: What sort of cufflink is Indy wearing?

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:44 am

I've never seen cufflinks like his outside of the movie. And as I look at the picture above, I still only see 3 buttons on that vest.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:13 am

Idaho Potatoes wrote:Query: What sort of cufflink is Indy wearing?

Udjat eyes (Eye of Horus).

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:40 am

Cool!
Didn't know that one.

I found a nice site explaining the different parts of the eye:
http://www.aloha.net/~hawmtn/horus.htm

And a site with some nice pics of it:
http://eyeofhorussymbol.homestead.com/

Regards,
Swindiana

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:29 am

You can get the "Eye of Horus" cuff links here:
http://www.goldpyramid.com/new/html/cat ... index.html

-Sergei

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:57 pm

Here they are (this screengrab turned out pretty funny):

And another:

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:29 pm

Excellent grabs. The dinner jacket looks like linen to me. And the cuff links - eye of horus.

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:27 am

You can get the "Eye of Horus" cuff links here:
http://www.goldpyramid.com/new/html/cat ... index.html

Nice!

That looks like the head of Horus himself though, rather than the eye of Horus.

And I can't really make out the different parts of the eye from the screengrabs. Must put my contacts back in.

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:34 am

I want to believe, but I'm still having trouble catching it...probably just because there are so many slightly variant renderings of the eye. Even in that last pic, which seems like the best one, I can't quite make it out...oh, okay, I buy it, but it look like the just had to roundout the swoop to make it a full disc so it would work as a cufflink. Is that how you are seeing it?

(In that first pic discussing the cufflinks, I thought it was a Star Trek logo, though, so I'm probably not much help here.)

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:21 am

We're not experiencing a "Fedora in Indy's closet"-situation here... the cufflink motif is the Eye of Horus. Maybe it takes an Egyptology dropout to see it...

The cufflink has been shown here before - some time ago, somone posted a very crisp & clear closeup of Indy's cuff - didn't find it in a forum search, though.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:38 pm

Here we go - a little attempt to clarify the mysterious cufflink:

the main parts are the eye itself, eyebrow, lower vertical line and 'swoop'. The screengrabs are grainy and there's a bit of shadowplay going on - especially in the "gropin' Willie-pic" - still, you can recognize the main parts of the Horus eye:

The swoop might be connected to the eyebrow piece, thus ensuring a firmer structure. A nice art deco piece - wonder if anyone could make those...

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:20 pm

Great job, SJ!

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:33 pm

I know Relic Raider is capable, and he does have the "Eye of Horus" as his avatar. It's one of his favorite pieces.
Now, Relic Raider, where are you ??????
'Blues

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:57 pm

In my view, Relic Raider is the 'top man' for the job, too... I asked him in an old in an old thread if he'd be interested in making the cufflinks, which he wasn't... at the time...

What say you, Relic Raider? Could this perhaps be a future project?

Please?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:49 am

You have 'opened my eyes' my friend.

I know a company that does badge pins in any shape, and cufflinks of the same motif if you want to. I'll look into it. The more you order the cheaper they will be. When me and some friends ordered pretty simple round ones with custom relief text in shiny and matte gold colour they were quite cheap, around $15 I think. Keep your eyes peeled.

Some questions though:
Bent locking mechanism with an oval end?
Is it gold and silver or more of a shiny bronze?

It would be great fun to nail this, regardless of who will end up making it.

High regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:13 am

Swindiana wrote:Some questions though:
Bent locking mechanism with an oval end?
Is it gold and silver or more of a shiny bronze?

I believe it's either a link connection (guldsmedslås) with an oval end or a small piece of chain attaching the eye and oval. I't definitively gold, or gold plated - has a nice shine to it (bottom pic w/ champagne glass).

The place you ordered your cufflinks from - that would not be Svenska Medalj AB, would it?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:09 am

I'm not sure where it was from, yet. An ex-fraternity guy had some contacts for discount I think and I have top men working on the info right now.

The result was great though, amazing quality for the price I must say. (That is if you are willing to go for brass and not gold though.)

Have you been dealing with Svenska medalj yourself, perhaps?

Regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:21 am

Swindiana wrote:Have you been dealing with Svenska medalj yourself, perhaps?

Nope. Just guessing... that company does a lot of 'profile' stuff to companies, clubs and so on. It'll be nice to see the info your 'top man' will present...

Idaho Potatoes · Post by **Idaho Potatoes** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:49 pm

Upon further investigation, it does look like Indy's vest is three-button and not five-button.

In particular, it appears to be a black version of a type of vest that is very popular in Scotland:

Indeed, as we all know, it is quite possible to create the "Indy-effect" by wearing - say - an A-2, an Akubra, and some khaki pants. In like manner, with such a tartan vest, one could create an "Indy-tux effect" with such a vest, a camel jacket, dark pants and a solid dark bow tie.

Of course you could find a lot more occassions actually to wear such an "Indy-tux effect" outfit than an actual Indy tux. (It has been years since I actually wore a tux.)

Post by **Ken** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:13 am

Well I could certainly get away with wearing that!

Ken

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:32 am

Great job on the cufflinks guys!

As to the picture below, that's the one the confirmed to me a 3 button vest and you can see the white suspenders in that shot too...

zeus36 · Post by **zeus36** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:51 am

Just wore a TOD Dinner jacket to the company Christmas party. Got a LOT of compliments !

take a peek:

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/937459Ubv/244123.jpg

'Course it helps to have a blonde babe at your side...

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:34 pm

Scandinavia Jones wrote:
Sergei wrote:That's close, but you need to avoid the "satin" finish on the lapels, pocket liner, etc.
Avoid? I thought satin lapels are what makes it a tux - all tuxedos (apart from modern 'trendy' ones) I've seen has them... my black tux has satin lapels and satin stripes down the pant legs...

Does Indy's dinner jacket in ToD only have fabric lapels?

No, SJ. If you take a peek on this pic, graciously posted by Idaho Potatoes in a previous post,

you'll see that the lapels are indeed satin trimmed - just like they're supposed to be on a tuxedo(US)/dinner jacket(BR).
In order to wear a white dinner jacket without making a grand faux pas, one is supposed to live a bit closer to the Equator than you do, Scandy - but of course, this you knew already.

Insomniac · Post by **Insomniac** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:00 pm

Wow COW members we have really have out done ourself!!!

Amazing research!

Correct me if I'm wrong but is the suit ummmm... collar in Casablanca different than the Temple of doom collar.

I don't know what you call the fabric on a siut that goes around the neck then comes down.

hocfutue · Post by **hocfutue** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:43 pm

The bits you're talking about are the lapels.

Indy's dinner jacket has peak lapels, while Rick's has a shawl lapel.

I prefer shawl lapels on a dinner jacket, myself.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:39 am

I still beleive the ToD tux to have NON-satin lapels, as seen here:

Shane

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:02 am

I agree. In fact, I don't think white dinner jackets look good with satin lapels. I'm not even a fan of satin lapels on black dinner jackets. I think the Casino Royale dinner jacket is the classiest black dinner jacket anywhere and that doesn't have satin lapels. The only exception is the Dr. No dinner jacket. The satin shawl lapel looks great in that case.

Dave

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:28 am

I prefer my tux in plaid.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:16 pm

Sergei wrote:You can get the "Eye of Horus" cuff links here:
http://www.goldpyramid.com/new/html/cat ... index.html

-Sergei

That link isn't working for me.

The cufflinks are available from Magnoli Clothiers in three different finished (I believe the antique bronze is the SA version). He also makes the tux.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:33 pm

I have a pair of the gold ones from Magnoli - they're beautiful, check them out.

Plaid is a bold choice, Nick, but probably a wise one, for dead men don't wear plaid.

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:40 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:Plaid is a bold choice, Nick, but probably a wise one, for dead men don't wear plaid.
I have a pair of the gold ones from Magnoli - they're beautiful, check them out.

Plaid is a bold choice, Nick, but probably a wise one, for dead men don't wear plaid.

Thank you for getting my little bit of tomfoolery Indiana Jerry ---Well played sir. I tip my hat to you.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:45 am

Hahaha...hard to get that one past me...years ago on another forum, my handle was Rigby Reardon. $\:D/$

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:34 pm

I'm a high school teacher and I have to chaperone the prom this year. If I had of had the forethought, I would have tried to pull this look off!!! Dang it! Oh well...maybe next year.

hocfutue · Post by **hocfutue** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:03 pm

Hollowpond wrote:I'm a high school teacher and I have to chaperone the prom this year. If I had of had the forethought, I would have tried to pull this look off!!! Dang it! Oh well...maybe next year.

Chap'ing a prom? Forget the dinner jacket. Go with field gear, and don't forget the whip.

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:14 pm

hocfutue wrote:
Hollowpond wrote:I'm a high school teacher and I have to chaperone the prom this year. If I had of had the forethought, I would have tried to pull this look off!!! Dang it! Oh well...maybe next year.
Chap'ing a prom? Forget the dinner jacket. Go with field gear, and don't forget the whip.

WORD!!!!!

twilekjedi · Post by **twilekjedi** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:11 pm

hocfutue wrote: Chap'ing a prom? Forget the dinner jacket. Go with field gear, and don't forget the whip.

Bwahahaha!

Doggone it, hocfutue, you made me spit out my coffee!

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