Traveling with a whip: Update

Post by **Dalexs** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:49 pm

I was just over on the TSA site and noticed that Bullwhips are no longer on the list of prohibited carry-on items on flights.

Has anyone carried on a whip recently without any problem?

Dalexs

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:34 pm

I just got back from the WWAC convention last month. I am fairly certain the whip was on the TSA list at that time. But if it's not there now, I would doubt you can get away with it. It's basically a judgement call by the security people if they determine your item is a weapon and then you are really stuck. Then you will need to get out of line and have it stowed in regular checked luggage. I would recommend checking it or the option is to UPS or FedEx it to your destination hotel, insured of course.

-Sergei

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:40 pm

I just did a google search on: TSA Whips. Check this out:

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/tsa0702.htm

It says:
Items prohibited from aircraft cabins:

The following items will not be allowed through the security checkpoint. Please note that this list is not all-inclusive. In addition to items specifically listed here, other items that may be deemed to present a potential threat may also be prohibited.

Ammunition

Automatic weapons

Axes

Baseball bats

BB guns

Billy clubs

Blackjacks

Blasting caps

Bows and arrows

Box cutters

Brass knuckles

Bull whips

Cattle prods

Compressed air guns

Corkscrews

Cricket bats

Crow bars

Disabling chemicals or gases

Dog repellent spray

Dynamite

Fire extinguishers

Flare pistols

Golf clubs

Gun lighters

Gunpowder

Hammers

Hand grenades

Hatchets

Hockey sticks

Hunting knives

Ice axe/Ice pick

Knives (any length)

Kubatons

Large, heavy tools (such as wrenches, pliers, etc.)

Mace

Martial arts devices

Meat cleavers

Metal scissors with pointed tips

Numchucks

Pellet guns

Pen knives

Pepper spray

Pistols

Plastic explosives

Pool cues

Portable power drills

Portable power saws

Razor blades (not in a cartridge)

Religious knives

Replica weapons

Revolvers

Rifles

Road flares

SCUBA knives

Sabers

Screwdrivers

Shot guns

Ski poles

Spear guns

Starter pistols

Straight razors

Stun guns/shocking devices

Swords

Tear gas

Throwing stars

Toy transformer robots (this toy forms a toy gun)

Toy weapons

Passengers should be aware that there are no provisions for returning banned items to them when they are left at the security checkpoint. In addition, those who attempt to bring banned items through the checkpoints are subject to civil penalties of up to $1,100 per violation in addition to criminal penalties.

While the above items are strictly prohibited from being carried into the aircraft cabin, many may be transported in checked baggage with these important exceptions:

Firearms and starter pistols may be transported in checked baggage so long as they are unloaded and declared to the airline.

Small arms ammunition for personal use may be carried in checked baggage but only if securely packed in fiber, wood or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

One self-defense spray (pepper spray or mace) not exceeding 4 fl. oz. may be carried in a checked bag if it has a positive means to prevent accidental discharge.

Blasting caps, compressed air guns, fire extinguishers, flare pistols, and gun lighters are regulated as hazardous materials and may only be transported as cargo on passenger planes under strict limitations in quantity and packaging.

Other items listed above are entirely forbidden in air transportation. These include disabling chemicals or gases, dynamite, gunpowder, hand grenades, plastic explosives, road flares, and tear gas.

Passengers should also note that there are many items not referred to here that are restricted or forbidden as hazardous materials.

For more information go to http://www.tsa.dot.gov or call your airline as individual airlines may place additional restrictions on any item. You may also call the Hazardous Materials Information Center 1-800-467-4922. Violations of the hazardous materials regulations may result in fines of up to $27,500 per violation, as well as criminal fines and/or jail.

-Sergei

Division 6 · Post by **Division 6** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:45 pm

Don't try wearing an X-Wing pilot costume.
I know this from personal experiance.

(coming back from Celebration #1)
D6

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:20 pm

Dang I wanted to bring my mace with me to greece!!!!!!!!!!!!

mola

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:04 pm

Division 6 wrote:Don't try wearing an X-Wing pilot costume.
I know this from personal experiance.

(coming back from Celebration #1)
D6

Sounds like a story there. What happened? Get the 3rd degree?

Henri Defense · Post by **Henri Defense** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:22 pm

Explain to me how you're going to use a ten or even an eight foot bull whip on a crowd plane?

And how do they expect me to entertain myself without my transformer toys?!

Henri

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:07 am

I asked myself that very same question until I realized that I could bludgeon people with the handle end.

)

Post by **Dalexs** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:44 pm

The funny thing is that the dot website tells you to go to the tsa website for further info and the tsa list doesn't have bullwhips on it. Go figure.
Thats the governement for ya'...

But I think checking it is the thing to do.

Dalexs

Division 6 · Post by **Division 6** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:06 pm

You can choke someone with it.

The costumed plane trip story is a long one needless to say the flight was delayed because of some small accessries on my costume that security thought could habe been explosives.

This was a week after the Collimbine (sp) HS incident.

D6

schwammy · Post by **schwammy** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 6:14 pm

No pool cues? Well, there go my plans to take over the airways. Foiled again!

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:13 pm

Sorry for dredging up a really OLD thread, but is a bullwhip considered a "Martial Arts Wwapon?" cause it looks like we can carry them on again.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/ ... items.shtm

Mountaineer Lasher · Post by **Mountaineer Lasher** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:05 am

hollywood1340 wrote:Sorry for dredging up a really OLD thread, but is a bullwhip considered a "Martial Arts Wwapon?" cause it looks like we can carry them on again.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/ ... items.shtm

I'd be very anxious to know this as well since I'll be flying back to the states in a month.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:47 am

I don't think it can be carried on the plane but it can be checked in. So it and maybe something like a replica gun would have to remain in your suitcase.

The only thing that scares me about that is the airlines loosing the luggage. I'd hate to have a DM whip and have it vanish along with the rest of my gear thanks to some stupid airline.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:54 am

Yeah, that would ruin ANY trip! I can hear Henry now: "I'll never forgive myself."

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:48 am

Here's the thing that cracks me up. How in the world could a bullwhip be any kind of a threat if carried onboard? Especially an 8 or 10ft version??

That would be like trying to crack one in a small closet.....that's even IF you get the thing uncoiled in time before the other passengers jump you and beat the @#$% out of you.......Out of all the hijackings that have occured over the years I have never heard of ONE being pulled off with the use of whips!

Post by **Dalexs** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:32 pm

Well for shear yucks, you really need to visit the TSA website and borwse the list every so often. Becasue some of the stuff on it is ludicras.
My wife is an avid knitter. She is allowed to take wood needles on board, but not metal ones... go figure.

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:07 pm

Pitfall Harry wrote:Here's the thing that cracks me up. How in the world could a bullwhip be any kind of a threat if carried onboard? Especially an 8 or 10ft version??

That would be like trying to crack one in a small closet.....that's even IF you get the thing uncoiled in time before the other passengers jump you and beat the @#$% out of you.......Out of all the hijackings that have occured over the years I have never heard of ONE being pulled off with the use of whips!

What? You mean you can’t throw a 8 or 10 ft bullwhip in a small confined area? Some one needs clearly more practice!

Still the length of the whip aside, the handle end of and Indiana Jones style bullwhip is i essentially a lead weighted club.

I’d much rather be able to take them as carry on when i fly, just so they don’t get damaged, lost or stolen but even if whips don’t show up listed or classified as a weapon, 99.9 % of airline security agents will consider them one especially in today’s world. It's best to just pack them well in your luggage as I’ve heard some stories of enthusiastic security personal, happy to confiscate pricy high quality bullwhips from carry on baggage including one female guard who was anxious to add it to her own collection!

Dan

Snakewhip_Sable · Post by **Snakewhip_Sable** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:18 pm

Division 6 wrote:You can choke someone with it.

You can choke someone with your hands too. And a thumb through each eye will probably hurt just as much as a knife or pen doing the same thing. Soon airlines will be flying jail cells with each passenger completely restrained for the duration of their flights.

I'm just sayin'...

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:50 pm

Nobody said it had to be a long whip. A short whip thats 4 foot is fast and would easily crack on a plane. I can crack a 8 foot whip in my living room and not hit anything.
I much rather have security be stingy. Last thing I want is them going "We figured it wasn't dangerous" and then somebody using it as a weapon. Last thing we need.
People aren't very well educated on whips like we are so realistically to outsiders, it's possible to use a whip on a plane (which really isn't far fetched)

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:17 pm

Well, I guess it's a no win when traveling with a good whip on an airline.......You can either pack it with your luggage and HOPE the idiots don't loose it OR you can have some kinky security officer take it from you......

At least I have a little bit better understanding of what I will have to deal with IF I choose to fly and bring one with me.

Thanks guys.