Fraudulent whip

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:49 pm

Just a heads up - there's a David Morgan for sale "guess where" - that is very clearly NOT a Morgan. I've reported it and hope that it'll disappear. I'm sure most people here would spot that it's a con, but some folks might not. Sickening!

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:44 pm

You know what they say. If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is. I love how he words it ... "Normally retails for 710!! THIS IS AN AMAZING DEAL!"

wow.

KingNothing · Post by **KingNothing** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:47 am

Wow. The only thing similar is the colour. And even that's not correct.

I think it'd be cool to post the link considering this is a misrepresentation auction right? I mean maybe the seller has no clue it's not a Morgan?

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Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:15 am

Funny there was an Actual David Morgan for sale 2 weeks ago, but It never said that anywhere in the auction
it just said Bullwhip.

I think it went for about 300 dollars.

Texas Jones · Post by **Texas Jones** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:23 am

I just reported this to ebay. I am upholding my citizen rights as a COW member to enforce fraudulant gear. Lets go get em boys!

JStrain · Post by **JStrain** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:57 am

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:38 am

Hang on...

If you look at those three pictures, the picture of the whip with the white background is a different whip altogether (the handle is different for starters.)

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:20 pm

Hmmm, I read Joe's post earlier and now he's edited it...

Anyway, I remember seeing this particular model of whip in Morgan's catalog once a while back. I think it was an Australian-made bullwhip being sold as a cheaper alternative to his own production of bullwhips.

So, I believe this whip could have been bought from David Morgan, however the seller (through ignorance or carelessness, or whatever) is misrepresenting this whip. Perhaps the seller went to the Morgan site, looking for a description of the original whip, couldn't find it, and used the description of the closest thing the seller could find.

The one picture that looks like an actuall 450 series whip was taken from the David Morgan website. The other two pics are of the whip being sold, which happens to look more like a 6 footer than an 8 footer as the seller describes.

So, I don't think this one is outright fraud, just ignorance on the part of the seller.

-Adam "Your friendly neighborhood whipcracker" Winrich

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:03 pm

The pic of the whip against the white background is taken directly from the DM site.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:05 pm

I just checked E-Bay and the auction is still up. They must be desperate to try and make a quick buck.

nammann · Post by **nammann** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:58 pm

Hi everyone, I had the chance to get a respond from this seller and this is what they had to say.

"My deepest apologies. I did not mean to misrepresent myself or the whip I am selling. I used the photo on the David Morgan website since it is clearer than the ones I took of the whip below. I just got off the phone with a representative of the David Morgan company to confirm. I bought this bull whip back in 1996, along with a single tail and the video tape, from the David Morgan catalogue. She explained to me that my single tail is a David Morgan, but this bull whip was an import from Australia and not a David Morgan whip. I had no idea since I bought it from their catalogue at the same time. Again, I am very sorry. I am contacting the highest bidder to explain, as well as e-bay."

I am not sure if this is true or not but I wanted to make sure for myself that this person did not intentionally try to pass this off as a DM bullwhip, they just did not know since it was in the DM catalogue that it was not a whip made by DM and I do have an older DM catalogue that has this particular whip in it.

Hope this helps clear things up I just did not want everyone to give this person a hard time and a bad feedback on E-bay. They just misunderstood.

Thanks,

Nick Ammann

jabahutt70 · Post by **jabahutt70** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:05 am

I recently got a similar reply from the seller, Nick. At least they are making an effort to clear themselves, lol. Guess we'll never know how much truth was in it. I didn't get a chance to read what Joe wrote before it was edited out, was wondering what it said.

Steve.