Jacket length? I told you...
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Jacket length? I told you...
I told you the jacket was long. That's a good pose.
Ok he's leaning a little forward but it's still long. What do you guys think?
Here's another one.
(starting to feel that Todd's jacket needs some tune up)
Ok he's leaning a little forward but it's still long. What do you guys think?
Here's another one.
(starting to feel that Todd's jacket needs some tune up)
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No, I was not referring to the gunbelt, although it is below that as well in that shot. I still think that the jacket is hanging lower in the front than in the back and that this is causing it to look longer than it is. I think a straight on shot or a side shot where the jacket is hanging evenly in the front and back is needed before it can be determined if the jacket is longer than was previously thought.
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SJ
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SJ
I've never thought it was a short jacket. To me the sleeves looks to be about 1-2 inches longer than the body of the jacket (when you wear it) and he has very long ones on it.
In the beginning of Raiders when they find the Hovitos arrow and the next sceene when they are walking in the jungle only Fords fingers are sticking out of the sleeve.
Also if you look at the new pictures of Indy from KotCS that surfaced yesterday you can see that the new jacket has monkey sleeves to but I think that jacket is a bit shorter... maybe because Ford wears his pants higher now...
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In the beginning of Raiders when they find the Hovitos arrow and the next sceene when they are walking in the jungle only Fords fingers are sticking out of the sleeve.
Also if you look at the new pictures of Indy from KotCS that surfaced yesterday you can see that the new jacket has monkey sleeves to but I think that jacket is a bit shorter... maybe because Ford wears his pants higher now...
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Is it possible to get a jacket from Todd's Costumes which is the exact same size and specs as the measurements _ provided?
If so, is that stunt jacket shorter than Ford's hero jacket or were they all the same?
I'm just curious about why these jackets from Todd's Costumes seem to be short - if they're replicas of the stunt jacket, I can only assume the stunt jacket was a different size compared to Ford's?
I wish the main site would hurry up and post _'s jacket history update. What's the delay on that guys???
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If so, is that stunt jacket shorter than Ford's hero jacket or were they all the same?
I'm just curious about why these jackets from Todd's Costumes seem to be short - if they're replicas of the stunt jacket, I can only assume the stunt jacket was a different size compared to Ford's?
I wish the main site would hurry up and post _'s jacket history update. What's the delay on that guys???
Cheers,
Chris
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I'm not sure you guys are going to get to the bottom of this one....no one is the exact build as HF. Some people have longer torsos, shorter arms etc. The older pants and 30's style had a high waist. Most stuff you buy today has a lower rise, even if its not labeled as such. The only good indicator you can use is to judge where the jacket falls on the hip....just to or right on the widest point. Then apply the length that gets it to the same spot on your hip.
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I still feel that Ford is wearing the pants on his true waist. Remember that the past three films were set in the 1930's. As many of you know, pants were worn and tailored to be worn on the true waist. For those of you in the dark, this often known as the "high waist pants". A lot of people see old men wearing their pants high up. Obviously because they lived in an era where that's the way you wore your pants. If feel in the new film Ford is again wearing the pants on his true waist.
I gotta disagree on the "high waisted" pants thing, I recently read a thread on this forum (was it archived, old thread?) that put that question to screen caps. There were plenty of pictures that show the pants were worn like modern ones. One in particular even gives a good view of Ford's belly button in relation to the waistband of his pants, in ToD when his shirt is off and Willie is about to be dunked in hot molten lava. He definately didn't wear them up high. My opinion for what it's worth is that the jacket was longer than most reproductions are now made. Just short of the sleeve length.
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You can drive yourself nuts looking at too many screen caps. Take it from me take it from me take it from me me me.
The two picture is the house illustrate the point perfectly. The top picture shows Ford slightly hunched forward, left shoulder up, right shoulder down, and the jacket askew on his shoulders - look at the collar and see how the right side is sliding forward
Now in the second shot we see him standing straighter, shoulders more even, and the collar even - see the bottom of the jacket right and left are very even - don't worry about his hands - look at the length of the zipper which is unaffected.
My 40r pattern is _'s specs to the "T". However, since no one else has Ford's body (not that that's a bad thing - everyone is just unique) the best way to size them is to keep the body length relative to the sleeve. Either that, or have each one go to their favorite tailor for a personally designed jacket. It's hard to find good pics of Ford standing like a mannequin with his arms straight down to see what the proportions are.
The two picture is the house illustrate the point perfectly. The top picture shows Ford slightly hunched forward, left shoulder up, right shoulder down, and the jacket askew on his shoulders - look at the collar and see how the right side is sliding forward
Now in the second shot we see him standing straighter, shoulders more even, and the collar even - see the bottom of the jacket right and left are very even - don't worry about his hands - look at the length of the zipper which is unaffected.
My 40r pattern is _'s specs to the "T". However, since no one else has Ford's body (not that that's a bad thing - everyone is just unique) the best way to size them is to keep the body length relative to the sleeve. Either that, or have each one go to their favorite tailor for a personally designed jacket. It's hard to find good pics of Ford standing like a mannequin with his arms straight down to see what the proportions are.
Todd's right about the tailoring issue with regards to Raiders. That jacket fits him like a glove and depending on Ford’s pose, it created several optical illusions. None of the other jackets were that tailored. Alas, none of you will ever have such a “Raiders” (tailored) jacket ……(insert wicked laugh)……..(pause for effect)……so sorry. I wouldn’t make so light of it except for the fact that I know lots of you guys (the insane ones) are losing sleep over it.
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I completely agree with Platon. In fact, I agree so much, that I even argued this point at length on another thread! viewtopic.php?t=22195&start=0
But still, I doubt you'll ever completely win this debate, since some folks just won't believe you no matter how much evidence you provide...
But still, I doubt you'll ever completely win this debate, since some folks just won't believe you no matter how much evidence you provide...
Take a look at Todd’s thread with regards to optical illusions. Most of us (and our collective beer guts) just aren’t going to cut the same figure as Ford in an Indy jacket.Castor Dioscuri wrote:I completely agree with Platon. In fact, I agree so much, that I even argued this point at length on another thread! viewtopic.php?t=22195&start=0
But still, I doubt you'll ever completely win this debate, since some folks just won't believe you no matter how much evidence you provide...
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Here's a photo of my latest display.
This is a 6ft tall mannequin with 40 inch chest. I personally feel that it's very close to Ford's measurements.
Todd - I would like to buy a custom pre-washed, water distressed jacket from you with all the specs made to match the measurements from _. Since this would purely be for display on my mannequin, it doesn't need to have any of the changes made for better fit etc. It should be an exact copy. Can you do it?
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This is a 6ft tall mannequin with 40 inch chest. I personally feel that it's very close to Ford's measurements.
Todd - I would like to buy a custom pre-washed, water distressed jacket from you with all the specs made to match the measurements from _. Since this would purely be for display on my mannequin, it doesn't need to have any of the changes made for better fit etc. It should be an exact copy. Can you do it?
Cheers,
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Hey Puppetboy, what about the length of the zip in this pic?Now in the second shot we see him standing straighter, shoulders more even, and the collar even - see the bottom of the jacket right and left are very even - don't worry about his hands - look at the length of the zipper which is unaffected.
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Hey Chris King, compare the jacket on your mannequin to this
and let me know.
And please don't start that story that the photo is taken from a low angle and things like that because his shirt looks OK.
If you 're not convinced, try to photograph your mannequin from whatever angle you like.
Because I bet that even if you get Helmut Newton to photograph your jacket, it will never look this long.
and let me know.
And please don't start that story that the photo is taken from a low angle and things like that because his shirt looks OK.
If you 're not convinced, try to photograph your mannequin from whatever angle you like.
Because I bet that even if you get Helmut Newton to photograph your jacket, it will never look this long.
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What exactly do you mean by that? To me his shirt looks like it is – at least partially – tucked into his trousers, which would of course mean that it doesn't look longer in this photo. Perhaps if his shirt was hanging out completely it too would look longer?PLATON wrote: And please don't start that story that the photo is taken from a low angle and things like that because his shirt looks OK.
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Huh?!
My jacket looks LONGER than his jacket in the pic you posted PLATON.
Honestly, I'm not sure what you're trying to say?!
Cheers,
Chris
My jacket looks LONGER than his jacket in the pic you posted PLATON.
Honestly, I'm not sure what you're trying to say?!
Cheers,
Chris
PLATON wrote:Hey Chris King, compare the jacket on your mannequin to this and let me know.
And please don't start that story that the photo is taken from a low angle and things like that because his shirt looks OK.
If you 're not convinced, try to photograph your mannequin from whatever angle you like.
Because I bet that even if you get Helmut Newton to photograph your jacket, it will never look this long.
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I don't think that's a good example, even if you may be right. The way he's leaning in that pic, the front of the jacket is hanging down way too much. It's a perspective effect. Draw a line that touches the back of the jacket in the same shot. You don't think the front is really that much longer than the back, right?PLATON wrote:
Look at the bottom of the jacket.
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That guys jacket length and sleeve length looks almost identical to mine. Do you really think they're different? Look at the position of the belt line and the pockets, then look at the distance between the bottom of the jacket and the bottom of the sleeves - I don't see any difference.
That being said, I DO see that the photo of Ford has the jacket length closer to the length of the sleeves compared to mine or the other guys Wested.
Cheers,
Chris
That being said, I DO see that the photo of Ford has the jacket length closer to the length of the sleeves compared to mine or the other guys Wested.
Cheers,
Chris
PLATON wrote:http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... MG1226.jpg
Now this guy has it right. Chris King, see?
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Yeah, and at some earlier thread agent5 has shown us that these are two different jackets because they had different pocket flaps. One was scalloped, other was not.
So I guess that we are going towards a conclusion that there were jackets with different length as well. (The jacket worn in the temple scene looks longer to me).
And the jacket he wears in the truck scene when he hanged in the front of the truvk seems shorter, but then again it's how he sits there....
My general view after watching the whole film is that the jacket was longer than e.g. Chris King's above.
Any ideas?
So I guess that we are going towards a conclusion that there were jackets with different length as well. (The jacket worn in the temple scene looks longer to me).
And the jacket he wears in the truck scene when he hanged in the front of the truvk seems shorter, but then again it's how he sits there....
My general view after watching the whole film is that the jacket was longer than e.g. Chris King's above.
Any ideas?
Platon, as I said earlier, I'm partial to the jacket being longer that previously thought. Here's another example.
Long again:
BUT.... If you look at this Raven bar fight still, the jacket appears SUPER short, given Harrison's posture :
But regarding the initial question: YES, the Raider's film jacket does appear to be longer than what many gearheads wear these days. Having said that, the jacket on Chris King's mannequin does appear to be a tad short. However, the belt line might have something to do with it...
Cheers,
Sebas
Long again:
BUT.... If you look at this Raven bar fight still, the jacket appears SUPER short, given Harrison's posture :
But regarding the initial question: YES, the Raider's film jacket does appear to be longer than what many gearheads wear these days. Having said that, the jacket on Chris King's mannequin does appear to be a tad short. However, the belt line might have something to do with it...
Cheers,
Sebas
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PLATON,
Not seeing what you're seeing. Looks the same to me (mine's a 42 Regular, but the relationship between the belt line, bottom of jacket and sleeve length looks the same to me).
Thanks for your concern about my strap buckle. I'm happy to tell you that I've already got a much better one - just haven't got around to putting it on there yet.
By the way, my jacket is 5 INCHES below the belt line. I honestly don't think it should be any more than that.
Chris
Not seeing what you're seeing. Looks the same to me (mine's a 42 Regular, but the relationship between the belt line, bottom of jacket and sleeve length looks the same to me).
Thanks for your concern about my strap buckle. I'm happy to tell you that I've already got a much better one - just haven't got around to putting it on there yet.
By the way, my jacket is 5 INCHES below the belt line. I honestly don't think it should be any more than that.
Chris
PLATON wrote:It's your right to believe what you like, but we can easily ask this guy to measure his and then compare with yours, if you like.
I can't convince you, but I guess you need a new strap buckle. AB make a good one....
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This proves the point that you can't rely on photos for this sort of thing.
My jacket is hanging quite far back off the shoulders which naturally pulls the front of the jacket upwards.
Also, you can't use the collar as the point of alignment because how do you know the jackets are the same size? Mine is a 42 Regular. What's the other guy got? Chances of his body being the same length is pretty remote too.
Also ths slope of the shoulders on the mannequin is different so again, you can't make a true comparison.
The only thing I tried to show with my comparison is that the PROPORTIONS are the same. Belt line, bottom of jacket and sleeve length are all a match between the two jackets which means if they're a different size, Peter did the correct job by adjusting the patterns to maintain the same kinds of proportions.
Chris
My jacket is hanging quite far back off the shoulders which naturally pulls the front of the jacket upwards.
Also, you can't use the collar as the point of alignment because how do you know the jackets are the same size? Mine is a 42 Regular. What's the other guy got? Chances of his body being the same length is pretty remote too.
Also ths slope of the shoulders on the mannequin is different so again, you can't make a true comparison.
The only thing I tried to show with my comparison is that the PROPORTIONS are the same. Belt line, bottom of jacket and sleeve length are all a match between the two jackets which means if they're a different size, Peter did the correct job by adjusting the patterns to maintain the same kinds of proportions.
Chris
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My hat isn't the same size as Ford's - I had to get a larger one so that it would fit onto Howard S's resin Indy bust.
Here's your photo corrected with the correct scale.
Also, focal length, camera lens, height of camera off floor will ALL have DRAMATIC impact on what you perceive in pics. Take some photos of yourself from different heights, different distances from the camera and I think you'll be amazed with the difference that you see in the length of your own jacket.
Cheers,
Chris
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Here's your photo corrected with the correct scale.
Also, focal length, camera lens, height of camera off floor will ALL have DRAMATIC impact on what you perceive in pics. Take some photos of yourself from different heights, different distances from the camera and I think you'll be amazed with the difference that you see in the length of your own jacket.
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris you know that what you say isn't true.
You have enlarged your photo so that it has same length with the photo on the left.
This is apparent from the fact that on your enlarged photo the collar is higher. Notice the green line that connects the tops of the storm flaps. In the middle photo the top of the storm flap is much higher.
Also, if you post the entire jacket and not the half of it, you will see that you enlarged it so much that it will appear huge next to the jacket on the left. Do that and notice the shoulders span and width.
Of course, I am not trying to convince you.
I told you, the only way is to ask the guy on the left to measure his storm flap and then we put that against yours.
I hope he is watching....
You have enlarged your photo so that it has same length with the photo on the left.
This is apparent from the fact that on your enlarged photo the collar is higher. Notice the green line that connects the tops of the storm flaps. In the middle photo the top of the storm flap is much higher.
Also, if you post the entire jacket and not the half of it, you will see that you enlarged it so much that it will appear huge next to the jacket on the left. Do that and notice the shoulders span and width.
Of course, I am not trying to convince you.
I told you, the only way is to ask the guy on the left to measure his storm flap and then we put that against yours.
I hope he is watching....