NH's Trousers; RoLA v.s. ToD & LC

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:19 am

Here's something that I doubt anyone has even mentioned... I noticed that Noel Howard offers trousers in either RoLA style, or ToD & LC style. But does anybody actually know what the difference between the two styles are?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:21 am

http://www.indygear.com/gear/pants.shtml

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:31 pm

Even there on the main site, it says that the Wested pants are noticeably lighter than the Noel Howard pants. I don't know what causes this discrepancy.

I don't know if Wested changed the color of their pants, I don't know if NH changed the color of his pants. I don't know which pants, Raiders or ToD/LC that NH offers, was compared to the Wested Pants.

What I do know for a fact is this. I have a pair of Wested pants. I also have a pair of NH Raiders pants. These pants are the EXACT same color. I actually believe that they are made from the same material from the same supplier. As I have said numerous times, without looking at the labels, I can't even tell them apart.

Anyone that doubts my word, can come to the Finger Lakes Summit in a few weeks and check it out. I will have both pairs there.

If I knew that I was getting an identical pair of pants, I probably would not have bought the second pair, which was the NH pants. I usually only wear the wool pants at summits and times when I want to dress in the full costume. So, I don't wear them all that much. One pair would have been fine. I listened to all these folks that say the NH pants were soooooo much more accurate and I spent the money to get the second pair. When I got them, I discovered that they were identical to the Wested pants that I already had. I guess it is not too bad to have a backup pair.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:46 pm

Buff, I think you should do a hidden label test at the summit, see if attendees can tell the difference and correctly identify which comes form which maker.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:58 pm

Hey KT,

That sounds like a plan.

.....Ummmmm......

......I guess I better be careful about who checks the label on the pair that I'm wearing!

I could put them both on hangers and wear something else. $\:D/$

I just need to watch bink and make sure he doesn't get my wallet. :evil:

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:02 pm

I was going to use the term "Taste Test" but thought better of it!

I nominate DejaThoris as an impartial judge.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:56 pm

buff,

i betcha i can tell which brand it is if i can pour pepsi on them....deal?

castor, i have the NH raiders and the NH tod/lc pants. the raiders is noticeabley darker than the tod/lc which are noticeabley more "pinkish" (ie - has a light naturaly rosey undertone). the pockflaps on the raiders pants are more angled but not as scalloped as what you see on screen or what is offered on the paris pants. the pocket flaps on the "pinks" are pretty much what you see on screen.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:10 pm

Indiana G wrote:buff,

i betcha i can tell which brand it is if i can pour pepsi on them....deal?

I take that to mean that you have personal experience in this matter.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:18 pm

well...er...not really, i just wanna know if you'll let me pour sodee-pop all over your nice cavalry twill wool trousers

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:04 am

Indiana G wrote:buff,

i betcha i can tell which brand it is if i can pour pepsi on them....deal?

castor, i have the NH raiders and the NH tod/lc pants. the raiders is noticeabley darker than the tod/lc which are noticeabley more "pinkish" (ie - has a light naturaly rosey undertone). the pockflaps on the raiders pants are more angled but not as scalloped as what you see on screen or what is offered on the paris pants. the pocket flaps on the "pinks" are pretty much what you see on screen.

Thanks! Just what I was wondering, as the color of the pants seemed to vary depending on the lighting and whatnot in each scene. Example:

Raiders

Last Crusade

So I suppose the ToD&LC version would be the more S.A. of the two? I'll certainly have to place an order for one!

VP · Post by VP » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:18 pm

Indiana · Post by **Indiana** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:37 pm

It also depends on the settings of your monitor.

VP · Post by VP » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:46 pm

Indiana wrote:It also depends on the resolution

Umm no, the size of the picture has no effect on the shape or color.

Indiana · Post by **Indiana** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:51 pm

What are you talking about, I never said that!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:42 pm

VP, is that second photo you posted from RoLA, or LC?

Heh, I just love the expression of the pilot on the first photo... He looks like he's going "Uhm... Oh kaaay...."

VP · Post by VP » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:19 pm

The second is LC, just before "you call this archaeology?".

The pilot is Frank Marshall BTW, for the new guys who didn't know yet.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:11 pm

Speaking of Franks, apparently Frank Welker (Fred in Scooby Doo) did some 'special' vocal effects in this film... I never knew that.

Those screenshots that VP and I posted does make it seem like the LC pants are darker than the Raiders pants I suppose.

VP · Post by VP » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:14 pm

According to the Main Site the RotLA pants are a grayish brown (clipper hat anyone?) and the ToD and LC pants are a more reddish color.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:25 pm

Personally, I think the Raiders pants compliments the leather jacket better, but I have a feeling that the reddish brown pants will be the one in Indy IV, making it the official Indy pants (since it will be in ToD, LC, Indy IV).

VP · Post by VP » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:28 pm

RotLA is _the_ Indiana Jones movie, the others are just sequels.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:31 pm

I think of it as Indy's life story!

In fact, I didn't get into Raiders until I rewatched it recently... previously I had only really liked Crusade.

Now this puts me in a tough spot... I was initially going for a LC gear look, but the pants... I just like those pants better!

ij1936 · Post by **ij1936** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:05 pm

I have one of each of Noels' offerings. The TOD/LC pants are lighter in color compared to the Raiders pants.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:09 pm

ij1936 wrote:I have one of each of Noels' offerings. The TOD/LC pants are lighter in color compared to the Raiders pants.

Does the color of your pants match the above screenshots? All this info just seems so contradictory!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:54 pm

my nh lc/tod pants are pretty bang on to the last picture of indy up there. my rotla nh pants are closer to henry sr.'s pants on that spanish beach than any of the other pants on the screen caps.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:48 pm

Some of these comments make me believe that some of these pants vendors just get wool cavalry twill material whenever and wherever they can, and maybe the colors are all over the place, when comparing purchases made throughout the years. Makes me wonder how consistent the colors really are.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:56 pm

Dye lots can vary, so that could play into it, too.

CarolinaQuirk · Post by **CarolinaQuirk** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:44 pm

I find it very interesting to see the splotchy dust stains on the Raiders pants in the flying wing scene - the contrast they provide could be very helpful if someone was as in-depth to isolate the color of the sand vs. the contrast to the pants...might isolate the true color…

Or I might be over-thinking this…

Wouldn’t be the first time

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:52 pm

CarolinaQuirk wrote:I find it very interesting to see the splotchy dust stains on the Raiders pants in the flying wing scene - the contrast they provide could be very helpful if someone was as in-depth to isolate the color of the sand vs. the contrast to the pants...might isolate the true color…

Spoken like a true gearhead!

ij1936 · Post by **ij1936** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:18 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
ij1936 wrote:I have one of each of Noels' offerings. The TOD/LC pants are lighter in color compared to the Raiders pants.
Does the color of your pants match the above screenshots? All this info just seems so contradictory!

Raiders: yes; LC/TOD: no. You have to understand that there are too many variables when trying to achieve something like the 'screen accurate' look. Variables like: the time the pants were made, i.e. 1980, 1983, 1988; variations in fabric color from when originally purchased from the vendor prior to making the pants; the amount of artifical aging done to the pants prior to shooting; the type(s) of artifical aging done to the pants prior to shooting, and just the wearing of the pants during the shoots and re-takes. I don't even consider 'screen accurate' when I am buying anything gear related. I know that the original makers of the costumes are not going to reproduce something different than what was originally used. I am just happy to have the items, be it pants, shirts or jackets, that were made BY the original makers of the costumes!

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:01 pm

Here are two pics of me wearing the different pants so you can see the difference.

First Raiders and then Temple of Doom/Last Crusade

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:03 pm

Got any shots in the same lighting conditions?

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:11 pm

I agree... Even the shirt color looks different in the two pictures, making it hard to really tell the difference...

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:19 pm

Um, guys, both pairs of pants were taken in the same sort of lighting and the first shirt is a Magnoli and the second one is the NH shirt.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:25 pm

Oh yeah? What happened to your skin color? Or the bag? The first pic is taken without flash, the second with flash.

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:27 pm

Aww, give it a rest, VP.