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Maybe that might explain why it did so badly... From what I've gathered from CoW posts, it seems that the shirt is dry clean only due to the wool content?djd wrote:Washed it myself exactly like i would any other shirt. Both buttons fell off on friday and i sewed them back on. Not what i'd expect from any shirt.
And Aeris, I was not advocating literally ripping off the sleeves, but professionally get it altered to shorten the sleeves to make it a short sleeve shirt... But, oh nevermind!
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Woah! I think there may be some confusion here. I have two Wested shirts and they are both 100% cotton. The Wested pants are wool.Castor Dioscuri wrote:Maybe that might explain why it did so badly... From what I've gathered from CoW posts, it seems that the shirt is dry clean only due to the wool content?
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My bad, I was skimming this thread:
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But it seems Peter does recommend dry cleaning the shirt, and T.E. Lawrence (the CoW member, not the author ) also added:
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But it seems Peter does recommend dry cleaning the shirt, and T.E. Lawrence (the CoW member, not the author ) also added:
...everyone seems to have a big "But" Dry ONLY in low temp. because the stiffener in the collar tends to bubble when expossed to high temps...
That's useful to know! Would have been even more useful to know before I washed it! That's whats happened to my collar. How on earth do you iron it without exposing it to high temperatures??Castor Dioscuri wrote:My bad, I was skimming this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=11012
But it seems Peter does recommend dry cleaning the shirt, and T.E. Lawrence (the CoW member, not the author ) also added:
...everyone seems to have a big "But" Dry ONLY in low temp. because the stiffener in the collar tends to bubble when expossed to high temps...
MBA was the original shirt sold by NH. Later MBA closed and NH re-launched the shirt under NH name after correcting a few details.
I used to have both MBA and NH shirts but sold the MBA after realizing that NH was more SA.
Also, regarding the color of the NH, I must tell you that when I bought it, it was fairly dark, but after a few washes has become almost the same color as my Magnoli stone shirt.
I used to have both MBA and NH shirts but sold the MBA after realizing that NH was more SA.
Also, regarding the color of the NH, I must tell you that when I bought it, it was fairly dark, but after a few washes has become almost the same color as my Magnoli stone shirt.
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Hmm, what chest sizes are you guys? I was thinking of getting a NH shirt as well, but since the only measurements offered on CoW are by neck sizes, I had to ask... As I don't see this shirt as being formal wear, I'd prefer something more form-fitting with an impossible-to-button collar than a billowy shirt that I can button at the collar
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When my shirt will be back from the tailor (he's repairing the seams), I'll post some measurements.Castor Dioscuri wrote:Hmm, what chest sizes are you guys? I was thinking of getting a NH shirt as well, but since the only measurements offered on CoW are by neck sizes, I had to ask... As I don't see this shirt as being formal wear, I'd prefer something more form-fitting with an impossible-to-button collar than a billowy shirt that I can button at the collar
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I am a big guy, I have the XXL and it is, shall we say, an incentive to lose weight. Though, as Noel said when I tried it on "well Harrison did wear them with a close fit you know".Bufflehead Jones wrote:I have an XL NH shirt, and it is such a slim and tight fit, that I really can't even roll the sleeves up past my elbow.
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I wish I had that problem! My chest is 52" and the XXL is a very tight fit.Ken wrote:Forgive my lack of experience - can you get a shirt modified by a local tailor to take it down a size or two then? I would really love a proper NH that fits me but I have a 36 chest and the small just doesnt cut it
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I was very impressed by the NH "rack" pants - color, material and cut. The largest was too small for me (remember they go by actual waist measurement) and so he is tailor making a pair of ROTL pants for me.
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When I heard MBA was closing a few years ago I panicked and bought the following:
Raiders shirt
Temple shirt
Raiders pants
Temple pants
I've been lurking in the background of this forum for a while now and I find it very interesting that there are apparently SA improvements between the MBA and NH versions. Could someone please outline what these are, both for the shirts and the pants? That'd be great.
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Raiders shirt
Temple shirt
Raiders pants
Temple pants
I've been lurking in the background of this forum for a while now and I find it very interesting that there are apparently SA improvements between the MBA and NH versions. Could someone please outline what these are, both for the shirts and the pants? That'd be great.
Adios,
Satipo
I had to return my first shirt to NH. Typically i wear an XL but the XL he sent me seemed a bit too small. From reading most of the thread it looks like I am not the only one who has had this problem. I had the XL NH replaced with a XXL and it fits great. Also in regaurds to the re-dying...i have seen that and tend to agree that the NH shirt i got looked darker then the shirts in the movies. I re-dyed mine and think it looks more like the movie shirt now then it did when it arived the original NH color.
http://indygear.com/gear/shirt_redyeing.shtml
http://indygear.com/gear/shirt_redyeing.shtml
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That makes for an interesting question... Do you suppose that it would be possible to buy a NH shirt (or a Wested jacket for that matter), and take it to a tailor for a complete de-construction, and basically have it resewn back together again to solve the problem of inconsistent (or basically less-than-adequate) stitching, and perhaps a better fit as well?Nicolas wrote:But the fit is not really a problem : the taylor can tighten the shirt a little, he can't resew all the seams....
Or would this probably cost about the same as the clothing itself, thus in no justifying the price of the alteration?
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if you demolish a wested and then reconstruct it, you will indeed damage the leather with the extra punctures from all the re-stitching.
i'm assuming the same ramifications will exist with the shirt to some degree. if you're going to go through all that with a shirt, you may be better off to just have the tailor produce the shirt based on specifications.
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i'm assuming the same ramifications will exist with the shirt to some degree. if you're going to go through all that with a shirt, you may be better off to just have the tailor produce the shirt based on specifications.
my 2 pence
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For the better fit, you don't need "a complete de-construction", only a pleat in the back. It's not expensive.Castor Dioscuri wrote:That makes for an interesting question... Do you suppose that it would be possible to buy a NH shirt (or a Wested jacket for that matter), and take it to a tailor for a complete de-construction, and basically have it resewn back together again to solve the problem of inconsistent (or basically less-than-adequate) stitching, and perhaps a better fit as well?Nicolas wrote:But the fit is not really a problem : the taylor can tighten the shirt a little, he can't resew all the seams....
Or would this probably cost about the same as the clothing itself, thus in no justifying the price of the alteration?
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just e-mail noel at NHowardUK@aol.com
you just have to stiputlate your size and whether or not you want the rotla shirt or the lc/tod shirt (dark buttons)....which i believe are not in stock in the large size.
noel will then send you a paypal invoice for the shirt if it is in stock. last time i checked noel is out of the country working on the movie so please be patient on the reply.
you just have to stiputlate your size and whether or not you want the rotla shirt or the lc/tod shirt (dark buttons)....which i believe are not in stock in the large size.
noel will then send you a paypal invoice for the shirt if it is in stock. last time i checked noel is out of the country working on the movie so please be patient on the reply.
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tried on mine LOL are you crazy?Aeris_Canon wrote:I've seen plenty of pre-shrunk cotton shrink more in hot water and high heat drying.erri_wan wrote:I'm afraid that the cotton is pre-shrunk. The only way is tailoring it, but as others said, costs a lot.Aeris_Canon wrote:
Shrink the NH? Hot water and monitored heated drying, maybe?
Ken if the shirt is fairly new I'm sure you could send it back to Noel and have one of another size.
It hasn't happened with the NH under normal washing, though.
You've tried this on your NH, Erri? Hot water, hot dryer in order to be certain about that pre-shrunk cotton?
Still it doesn't sound like it'd do much in terms of affecting fit for what Ken's describing anyway.
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If only we could get a shirt like that in the States. The dollar is getting it's butt kicked.Castor Dioscuri wrote:Actually, according to NH's latest pricelists, the shirt would be 65 pounds, plus 10 pounds s/h, which amounts to 75 pounds.VP wrote:The NH shirts are 110 bucks plus shipping.
To translate it stateside, that would be US$152+ for a single shirt with shipping.
Be happy with what You have instead... It cost me a fortune to get my Aldens from San Fransisco to Denmarkhenryindianajonesjr44 wrote: If only we could get a shirt like that in the States. The dollar is getting it's butt kicked.
And BTW, I just got my first NH-shirt recently - bought from a COW-member in the states......
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Just thought I'd follow up on this earlier post with my own experiences...Nicolas wrote:Hi ! It's my first post.
I've received my NH shirt this week and I'm really disapointed.
It's very expensive for such a poor craftsmanship. Stitching are off-centered or overlapping everywhere. It started unfolding the firts day ! I took these pictures, judge by yourselves :
Its not even a slim fit. I don't understand the positive feedback about this shirt. :
I recieved my NH shirt very recently, and while I must say that I'm overwhelmed by how S.A. it looks, I must unfortunately concur with the previous poster in that the stitching could be better...
Much like the afore-posted pictures, there were loose threads everywhere; on the buttons (on which I noticed that the stitching for each button was inconsistent), on the sleeves, on the pleats, on the pockets, basically anywhere there was a stitching, there was a loose thread jutting out. It looked... raw, for lack of a better word.
I was tempted to cut off loose threads for a more finished look, but it just looks like the whole shirt will unravel if I tug too hard on a thread. Especially on the bottom hem of the shirt, the inadequate stitching job is most prominent.
I must disagree in that the fit is somewhat slim. Although I wouldn't quite call it a slim fit, calling it a generic fit wouldn't do justice to it either. It falls somewhere in between, which I suppose is good for most folks.
Finally, the accuracy on this thing is just amazing. It looks like it was pulled off a 'Raider's' prop van, and even though most folks dislike the lightweight fabric, I myself prefer this fabric personally.
However, I just wish the stitching was better... Although I love this shirt to bits, I have a feeling it won't stick around for long, even given the royal treatment I intend to extend to it.
I'll probably order another NH shirt in hopes that I'll luck out and get one with decent stitching, and just to have as 'backup', should anything happen... knock on wood!
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I didn't actually know there were differences with the pants. I myself have the MBA ones and think they are pretty screen accurate.Satipo wrote:When I heard MBA was closing a few years ago I panicked and bought the following:
Raiders shirt
Temple shirt
Raiders pants
Temple pants
I've been lurking in the background of this forum for a while now and I find it very interesting that there are apparently SA improvements between the MBA and NH versions. Could someone please outline what these are, both for the shirts and the pants? That'd be great.
Adios,
Satipo
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Canyon - I'm not entirely sure there are differences with the pants. I just got that impression from posts here. BTW, how's the stitching on your MBA pants? I was disappointed because the horizontal stitching that separates the holes on the button fly started to come undone the very first time I undid the buttons! Although I probably should have mentioned it at the time, I never told Noel about it, and I still need to get it fixed, hence I've never worn them since I got them.
Castor Dioscuri - any chance of some pics so that I can see what the latest NH shirts look like?
Castor Dioscuri - any chance of some pics so that I can see what the latest NH shirts look like?
Castor, it's true that the stitching looks "precarious" but I've washed my shirt many many times and till now no thread ever unraveled although they surely look as if they might. I agree that it has somehow an "unfinished look" but it's functional enough for being a costume shirt, because that's what it is.Castor Dioscuri wrote:Just thought I'd follow up on this earlier post with my own experiences...Nicolas wrote:Hi ! It's my first post.
I've received my NH shirt this week and I'm really disapointed.
It's very expensive for such a poor craftsmanship. Stitching are off-centered or overlapping everywhere. It started unfolding the firts day ! I took these pictures, judge by yourselves :
Its not even a slim fit. I don't understand the positive feedback about this shirt. :
I recieved my NH shirt very recently, and while I must say that I'm overwhelmed by how S.A. it looks, I must unfortunately concur with the previous poster in that the stitching could be better...
Much like the afore-posted pictures, there were loose threads everywhere; on the buttons (on which I noticed that the stitching for each button was inconsistent), on the sleeves, on the pleats, on the pockets, basically anywhere there was a stitching, there was a loose thread jutting out. It looked... raw, for lack of a better word.
I was tempted to cut off loose threads for a more finished look, but it just looks like the whole shirt will unravel if I tug too hard on a thread. Especially on the bottom hem of the shirt, the inadequate stitching job is most prominent.
I must disagree in that the fit is somewhat slim. Although I wouldn't quite call it a slim fit, calling it a generic fit wouldn't do justice to it either. It falls somewhere in between, which I suppose is good for most folks.
Finally, the accuracy on this thing is just amazing. It looks like it was pulled off a 'Raider's' prop van, and even though most folks dislike the lightweight fabric, I myself prefer this fabric personally.
However, I just wish the stitching was better... Although I love this shirt to bits, I have a feeling it won't stick around for long, even given the royal treatment I intend to extend to it.
I'll probably order another NH shirt in hopes that I'll luck out and get one with decent stitching, and just to have as 'backup', should anything happen... knock on wood!
I'm sure that Nicolas was unlucky with his shirt.
As for the fit, the Noel Howard shirt is slimmer than any other indy shirt on the market (not considering of course the Magnoli's or any other made-on-measure shirt). Plus I would like to remember that the shirt has the same "fit" that was on Harrison Ford. If someone is more skinny or fatter than Mr. Ford in the 80's, that's not Howard's or anybodyelse's fault.
Nicolas, if stitches come off in several parts of the shirt I'm sure you can send it back to Noel. It's a shame that your purchase was disappointing. Contact Noel about this and see what he says.