Authentic Brown Goatskin VS dark brown goatskin

darth64 · Post by **darth64** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:45 pm

I hesitate between those two colors

. Does anyone have pictures of those two colors (in the same picture if possible). Thanks

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:13 am

Hey there!

I was in the same spot that you are now in....deciding between the "authentic" color v.s. the "dark brown" color........

I do have pictures of my new dark brown Goatskin....However, I am having a difficult time with my computer posting them here. If I could post them, I certainly would.

But, perhaps, to help describe my dark brown Goatskin jacket color, I would say that it can be quite dark...dang near black at times, lol. Although, the beauty about the dark brown Goatskin is that it is nice and dark most of the times. But, in just the right lighting, it brings out the brown hues VERY nicely.

This is what I love about the dark brown Goatskin! I'm not much of a "brown clothing" kinda guy. But the cool thing about the dark brown Goatskin is that it is mostly a dark leather, but also has "just enough" brown in it to give it that flavor as a "brown Indiana Jones jacket".....

I suppose that when I, personally, watch the Indy films I see Indy's jacket as more dark rather than a medium brown color. But, each person sees something different.....which is perfectly acceptable. So, when I combine what "I see" on screen and what "I prefer" as my personal taste in clothing color....the Wested Dark-Brown Goatskin is absolutely perfect for me!!

On the other hand, I've handled some Wested jackets made in the "authentic" color....and they are INDEED very nice, yet, they just have some more brown color to the leather. In some lighting the "authentic" color looks very dark. While in others, they appear to be a somewhat medium brown color.

BOTH the "authentic" and "dark brown" colors are equally fantastic colors!!

I hope that I haven't totally confused you my friend, and that I have helped a little in my description.....

Kind Regards,
Captain D

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:33 am

I've a Wested in Authentic Brown. It seems to photograph darker than it appears to the naked eye- I think this is a big reason why the darker option is available.

I wouldn't say the Authentic it's difficult to match or wear with normal clothes at all.

I tend to believe that if Peter found some of the original material/jacket around and matched it, then, well... authentic is authentic. I wanted an Indy jacket so went with the guys who made it and the colour they say the original was in.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:21 am

I too am the proud owner of a ROTLA Authentic goat, follow the link to a picture of it.

http://public.fotki.com/IndianaCroft/my ... acket.html

Hope this helps, either way you go will be the right choice. You just can't go wrong with a Wested.

Croft

antiquity collector · Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:56 am

Here ya go. Now take into account that the photo makes the authentic look more brown than it really appears. It is actually more of a grey.

http://public.fotki.com/antiquitycollec ... 00759.html

Go for the Authentic. It does match the film. I've loved my Dark Brown Lamb but I am amazed at the look of the Authentic Goat. Next up will be an Authentic Lamb for me.

Check out the other pics in this album for color.

AC

Jack Flanders · Post by **Jack Flanders** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:02 pm

Thanks for the comparison, I ordered a dark goat, I like the color over the authentic. Reading this doesn't make the time go by any faster...

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:05 pm

You noticed that too? Doesn't seem to matter if it's a lambskin or the new horsehide...the clock seems to tick just the same, and as slowly (it seems) when you're awaiting a jacket.

Hang in there! Regards. Michaelson

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:31 pm

Wow. That left jacket really is light, Mikey!

Are they both Westeds?
Here's a pic of my Wested ToD authentic lamb:

Daylight pic - Aldens for color comparison. This is true color, to my eyes at least...

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:32 pm

As far as I can see, the horse colour sits in between these two, leaning towards the dark brown, but with attractive undercurrents of red underneath. Just another perspective here.

creamedgeezer · Post by **creamedgeezer** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:35 pm

I was really considering the authentic brown goatskin, I think it looks really good in the pics, but is it that nice in person? If it is too light, can I slightly darken it?

Thanks,
Jeff

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:40 pm

creamedgeezer wrote:I was really considering the authentic brown goatskin, I think it looks really good in the pics, but is it that nice in person? If it is too light, can I slightly darken it?

My authentic lamb in the above pic looks like that, with or without camera.

Darkening the jacket would probably mean redying the leather, which might be too big a project.

creamedgeezer · Post by **creamedgeezer** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:41 pm

If that's how it looks then I am happy with it

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:50 pm

This is the Auth. Goat in sunlight, almost fresh out of the box:

And after a bit of use HERE

Regards,
Swindiana

creamedgeezer · Post by **creamedgeezer** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:53 pm

Awesome, I'm sold on that leather now. Just have to make final decisions on mods etc. now. Thanks

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:55 pm

Swindiana wrote:And after a bit of use HERE

Hey... there's that old gearhead with the RED Cotton Wested again... wonder when he's going to register here at COW?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:57 pm

Hey... there's that old gearhead with the RED Cotton Wested again... wonder when he's going to register here at COW? icon_razz.gif icon_lol.gif

And I bet he promised me he would. I couldn't really tell since he spoke Finnish you know.

Regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:43 am

I've worked quite a lot on getting my Aldens darker... Hera's a before and after:

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:07 am

What did you do to darken those?

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:11 am

Flattery wrote:What did you do to darken those?

Boot cream, "brick" and dark brown... and a lot of buffing!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:47 am

MIKEY, that's about the best side by side comparison photo I've ever seen of the two jackets. Well done. Hope the boss here sees this and gets your permission to use it in the upcoming jacket updates. I've never seen a better example. High regards. Michaelson

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:22 am

I must say I'm really surprised at how light that FS looks, Mikey. Even taking into account darker photos from the other lads, the difference seems quite amazing. Do you feel that picture is accurate, or does it make the jacket look lighter than it really is?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:06 am

Gotcha. Then what Michaelson says is a great dea, because many people might go and buy authentic precisely because it has that name, but they might ultimately be looking for a darker jacket. This would be a very good comparison to point people towards.

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:34 am

I think that Mikey's photo could be a bit misleading for people if it's used on the mainsite for comparison between the two Wested colours.

The dark brown is a Wested, the light brown is a flightsuits colour and not the actual Wested authentic brown colour. The pictures which show the jacket looking darker are more accurate to how it actually appears IMO.

No offense Mikey, I know you clearly stated this was a FS and a Wested - I just don't want anyone to be under the misunderstanding that these are two Westeds side-by-side and make a choice based on that.

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:47 am

I actually thought Mikey's picture was of two Westeds. That IMO is how the Authentic colour looks under the brightest light. Most of the time, you won't see it that colour, even on a sunny day.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:57 am

Here's an indoor pic - taken in Swanley, btw - of my brand-spanking authentic lamb...

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:22 pm

I think, also, that the "authentic" color may vary as well.....

I remember, at the Gettysburg summit several months back, that there were 2 gearheads who had the "authentic" color........One jacket looked just like the "lighter color" that IndianaMikey has provided for us. And the other "authentic" color appeared somewhat darker.

Rather than run the risk of ordering an "authentic" Goatskin jacket from wested, only to have it arrive several weeks later to be lighter than what I prefer and from what I see on screen, I played it safe and went with the Dark-Brown Goatskin.

Just thought that I would throw that out there.....

Kind Regards,
Captain D

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:45 pm

Hey Captain D,

I had an authentic lamb Wested. I can't remember who had the other authentic colored jacket. I wonder if it was a Wested or another vendor, or if it was a Wested but maybe a different leather? That may account for the difference, but I can't really remember. I guess this just means we need to have another summit.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:50 pm

I think Captain D is referring to my jacket. I had just gotton it, and had ordered an Authentic goat, but received a dark brown instead. I remember talking with him about it, and saying that I had asked for the darkest batch of authentic they had, and we were curious if it was indeed a dark colored authentic. After the summit, I contacted Peter, and he cleared it up by telling me it was indeed dark brown, and apologized for the mistake. I was quite content with the color, because as stated above, the dark brown does seem to be an exact match for what is seen on screen, IMHO.
'Blues

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:34 pm

SJ's pics above has got it nailed - that's a good representation of the authentic brown colour which I've recieved on both my lamb and my goat from Wested. IMO, this is an exact match for what is seen onscreen in the trilogy - thus the name 'authentic brown', right?

Take a look at these shots and compare the colour 'tones' of each jacket:

<img src=http://w1.185.telia.com/~u18510704/gear_1/thejacket.JPG>

<img src=http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/g ... mo_110.jpg>

Obviously Ford's jacket has been distressed, but to my eye that's the exact same colour as SJ's jacket.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:42 pm

You've got a point, OB1AL, especially when referring to TOD and LC, but to me, the Raiders jacket always looked darker than in both of the sequals, ...er...prequal and sequal,...well... you know what I mean??!!!

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:58 pm

I know what you mean. The Last Crusade looked a lot lighter than the others.

Also, I just looked at my Raiders disc. The artwork on the disc itself looks like Wested's Authentic colour....but it looks like a painting so I dunno.

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:49 pm

I've sort of wondered about colours and how light or dark things appear on film. Each and everyone has a different setting on their TV with contrasts light and hues, and this applies to the computer monitors aswell. There are ways of getting "natural colours" on your monitor if using your computer while watching the DVD's, but still it might not be good enough for what an authentic jacket would look like if you actually held it in your hand. What type of film, camera and lens and the final print of the film also contributes to what the final result is. And then again, they "fixed" the colours for the DVD's, but that doesn't have to mean that they nailed what the real colour was.
While being a projectionist I've run quite a few films through a projector. Sometimes we would get rolls of film for a movie that were from diifferent prints and they would appear darker or lighter compared to one another.

This often leads to a lot of debate of what colour is screen accurate or not. My thoughts are, you can't really tell. But, you can make up your own mind of what will suit you and what you think for yourself. After all, you'll be the one wearing it. The authentic jacket colour is produced from a left over jacket from Raiders found by Peter while moving, right? Same thing with the shirt, the MBA one probably is accurate though it might not appear that way when looking at Raiders. Many variables contributes to what the final solution to the equation will look like. Lighting on the day of shooting, equipment used, what the final print and copies looks like, what equipment is used when watching it...

Still, comparison shots of different products is a great way to go I think. It does give you a better idea of what to expect and what you want to go for, more in terms of darker or lighter.

I'm not sure I've said anything good or bad here, just a few things I find interesting.

Regards,
Swindiana

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:20 pm

Swindiana wrote:I've sort of wondered about colours and how light or dark things appear on film. Each and everyone has a different setting on their TV with contrasts light and hues, and this applies to the computer monitors aswell.

Not if you have had a technician come out to your house from Joe Kane's Imaging Science Foundation and calibrate your television set to the exact standards of the NTSC system. Then you will see the most accurate color possible, up to the limit of the ability of your particular set.

When and if I ever get my dlp front projector and build my home theater room, you can bet that baby will be calibrated. I think Joe Kane has done a great service to anyone that likes to watch a television and wants it to look good. He has been the main person in trying to educate the buying public about how bad the sets look today, because of the competition in the industry. He even produced the Video Essentials dvd that not only is a great source of information to educate yourself, but it gives the test patterns necessary to properly adjust your set.

Joe helps with the problem that some joking refer to NTSC as meaning, Never Twice the Same Color. I don't want to get too technical, but some may not be aware that our television system has a set of standards and any thing that is not set exactly to that standard will produce inaccurate color.

In the NTSC system, the color temperature is to be set at exactly 6500 degrees kelvin. Anything other than this, and it results in inaccurate color. Every television manufacturer in the world knows this.

But here is where the problem comes in. It is an absolute fact that to the human eye, looking at 100 color televisions lined up in a store, the human eye will be drawn to the one with the brightest picture. When your eye is drawn to that picture, you will declare that set as the one with the best picture and you will happily purchase that set. It does not matter in the least how inaccurate that color is, your eye will tell you that the brightest one is the best. Every television manufacturer in the world, knows this also.

So, to sell more tvs, here is what has happened. Everyone started at the correct standard. Then one manufacturer raised their color temperature a little above 6500 degrees and started selling more tvs. Lets just say that this first manufacturer was Sony. Well, Toshiba isn't going to stand by and lose sales. So Toshiba raised theirs a little higher than Sony's. Then Sharp came along and raised theirs higher than Toshiba, so Panasonic raised theirs higher than Sharp and Sony raised theirs again. And so on and so on and so on.

It is truly amazing that a new television will display a picture that is even watchable. With every manufacturer knowing that any thing other than 6500 degrees Kelvin, will produce an inaccurate color picture, we have sets that are sold today that are set at the factory with the color temperature at 10,000 to 15,000 degrees and higher.

I even know of one very high end maufacturer that after Joe Kane began educating the public, began to offer their sets with the color temperature at 6500 or at their normal setting. It was up to the choice of the consumer. But most people would choose their normal setting, because they don't even know what they are talking about.

These settings have gotten so high that they can do damage to the tv. The picture tube is so over driven that it will cause it to wear out prematurely. Like your tv wearing out too soon is going to hurt their sales and cause them to stop this practice. Every television maufacturer in the world today, is laughing all the way to the bank.

They know that they are getting way out of hand. Some have begun to put a choice of color tempertures on the controls that are user adjustable. If your set has a choice of temperture settings, choose the one that says warm or low. Do not use the other ones that may be labeled cool or high or medium. Even these lower settings are probably above 6500 degrees, but at least they are closer than the other settings.

Turn your sharpness setting completely off or at least very low. This adds something that is not even in the original signal and is basicly just video noise. It is supposed to increase the contrast. Keep your Brightness control turn to the lower side of the scale and your contrast setting fairly low also.

The best advice that I can give is to get a copy of Video Essentials or one of the other dvds that help you adjust your set with test patterns. Another excellent disc such as this is called Avia. The ultimate advise is to have your set professionally calibrated. And no, most television repairmen are not trained in how to do this.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:27 pm

What idiot would post a tv adjusting tutorial in the Leather Jacket Forum. Whooopsi, never mind.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:56 pm

WOW!, very informative Bufflehead.....now what in the heck are you talking about??????

All kidding aside, I wonder if the THX program that comes with alot of DVDs today will help get the tv set a little closer to perfect. The 2 Star Wars DVDs have this feature, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of others have it as well.
'Blues

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:10 pm

Mr. Bufflehead Jones;

I almost thought I was alone.

Thank you for contributing with all the info.
I just got home and I'll answer your PM later on, yours too SJ.

And darth64, sorry to hijack your thread with this.

Regards,
Swindy

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:36 am

Hey Blues,

I can't really answer your question about the THX optimizer option that is offered on some THX certified dvds as I have personally never used it. However, anything done by the THX folks is most excellent.

The only problem that I can see is that I have several discs in which this is offered and there is no blue filter that comes with the disc. Without a blue filter, it is impossible to properly set the color and tint controls. Now a blue filter is not very expensive and I don't know if they tell you on the disc where you could obtain one or not. It really is nothing more than a strip of blue film, usually about 1 inch by 6 inches, just big enough to put in front of your eyes and look through it. Without a blue filter, I don't see how they can offer you anything that would be very helpful in adjusting your set.

If anyone is not familiar with THX, maybe I should give you a little background. Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away, there was a little film called Star Wars. You might have heard of it. It made several people including George Lucas very rich. Uncle George invested his money from this very sucessful film into a state of the art movie making Empire (and no, it is not the dark side of the force). This Empire includes at last count that I heard, 28 companies. Included in these are, Lucas Film, Industrial Light and Magic, Skywalker Sound, and several divisions of THX.

There was a fella by the name of Thomlinson Holman that worked on Star Wars as one of the sound enginers. Now this fella knew a whole lot about movie sound. When he wasn't helping his buddy, George, make movies, he was working as the Cinema Sound professor at the University of Southern California.

Now ol' Thomlinson had an idea. He thought it would be good to have all the movie theaters sound systems set to the same standards as the dubbing stages where he and George made the soundtracks to all these movies. George agreed that it sounded good to him. He didn't want to pay all of his employees a lot of money to work real hard and make a great soundtrack and then have it watched by the public in theaters with crappy sound systems and then nobody would appreciate what good work all of them had done.

George told ol' Thomlinson that he had a bunch of money laying around that he didn't really need anyway, so why didn't he take some of it and devealop a set of standards for the movie theaters and then they would go out and test all the movie theaters' sound systems. Those that passed this very stringent set of standards, would then be THX certified and the ticket buying public would know that when they went to a movie in a THX movie theater, they were hearing it just the way it was supposed to sound.

Then along came home theater equipment and Uncle George told ol' Thomlinson that he did such a good job with the movie theaters, why didn't he devealop a set of standards for home theater gear, so that THX certified home theater gear would make a movie sound just like it was supposed to in a movie theater.

And then along came dvd. George called Thomlinson again. Then he said, why don't we set the standards for everything that comes out that is movie related and that is what they have tried to do.

So, when you see something that says it is THX certified, it simply means that it has passed a set of standards that have been determined by some of the most knowledgeable people in the movie industry and is of the highest quality.

The standards for a THX certified theater are very high. There are levels of background noise. This requirement is so high that a movie theater's air conditioning system has to be treated acoustically as the typical air conditioning system makes enough noise to cause the theater to fail this test.

There is a maximum level of bleedover allowed from an adjacent movie theater. The slope of the floor has to meet exacting requirements. The acoustical treatments of the walls, floor and ceiling must meet the specs. The sound equipment has to have virtually no distortion at over 105 decibles. This list just goes on and on. It is actually cheaper to build a THX theater from scratch than it is to try and retrofit an older theater and try to meet these requirements.

Now what exactly does THX mean. Well, that has been debated for some time. Some feel that it stands for Thomlinson Holman's eXperiment. Others note that George's first movie was THX 1138. George must really think that the letters THX really look good togeather, because he made the Martin Milner character's hot rod in the movie American Graffitti have the tag number THX 1138. Maybe George abbreviated the word "thanks" at the end of all his notes to ol' Thomlinson, and ol' Thomlison thought that George wanted to call everything THX. I don't know, your guess is as good as mine.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:46 am

Swindy,

That's okay, I think I had your PM about a month and a half before I realized that I had it. Well, maybe I exaggerate just a little. And, hijackers, I hate those guys!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:11 am

Bufflehead Jones wrote:Now what exactly does THX mean. Well, that has been debated for some time. Some feel that it stands for Thomlinson Holman's eXperiment. Others note that George's first movie was THX 1138. George must really think that the letters THX really look good togeather, because he made the Martin Milner character's hot rod in the movie American Graffitti have the tag number THX 1138. Maybe George abbreviated the word "thanks" at the end of all his notes to ol' Thomlinson, and ol' Thomlison thought that George wanted to call everything THX. I don't know, your guess is as good as mine.

My money is firmly on it being a nod to his first movie. Hardly a Lucas project goes by without a THX or a 1138 or a THX1138 appearing in it.

It's kind of like spotting the Wilhelm scream in movies, but only in Lucas ones.

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:40 am

Hey, you can also collect THX gear. T-shirts, caps, flasks and jackets... merchandise galore... everything you'd need to create that authentic Lucas outfit.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:39 am

The authentic Lucas outfit is jeans and a flannel shirt, no?

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:30 am

Bufflehead, if anyone else besides you or your evil twin had posted the message about adjusting your tv colors, I would have bought it. The THX thing...good try but many of us here were one step ahead of ya on this one. You had me laughin' pretty good on the THX post...You know what...it would be a hoot to get a set of encyclopedias and rewrite history and sell them...the Bufflehead Brittanica Encyclopedia set.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:51 pm

ITG,

I am glad that you got a laugh out of the THX post, I wrote it in a tongue in cheek style in an attempt at humor. However, I feel that THX efforts in improving the quality of commercail cinemas today are valid. There is no excuse for sitting in a multiplex and having to hear a firetruck or ambulance pass by, or during a quiet dramatic scene, having to hear the action movie in the adjacent theater blaring away. With the quality of building materials and the acoustical techniques available today, this in not acceptable to me.

Back in the 1980's THX was a big help to the early adopters of home theater such as myself. Their specs set a standard that helped educate the home theater afficianado as to what type of equipment was needed to properly reproduce movie soundtracks in the home. I did disagree with them about a few things, such as the specs for power amplifiers. There were a bunch of excellent powere amps that did not meet their specs. But for the most part, they were absolutely correct.

THX was one of the first to point out that we needed dipole surround speakers to reproduce surround sound in the home, back when almost no one had even heard of dipole speakers. Now, every speaker manufacturer has several dipole speakers in their product line.

I did not exactly agree with THX when they renamed their original home theater specs, THX Ultra and devealoped a new set of specs that are called THX Select, and is supposedly for smaller rooms. The fact is that most gear that meets the original THX specs is beyond the budget of the average consumer. I think the THX Select spec is more to be able to provide some type of minimal level of quality that more people can afford.

Nothing in my previous post about the television manufacturers increasing the color temperature of their sets to increase sales knowing that this practice produces inaccurate color and shortens the life of the set is not true. I applaud people like Joe Kane for trying to educate the consumer to this fact. Because it actually increases their sales, there is no incentive to make the tv manufacturers stop this practice.

I guarantee you that if you have purchased your tv in the past 20 years that the color temperature is set too high, without seeing your tv or even knowing what brand you have. If you know who Joe Kane is and have had one of his technicians calibrate your tv, then this does not apply.

Have you ever watched a snow scene and the snow was not really white, but had a slight blue tint to it. Ummm, maybe tvs can't produce white very well. No, a tv is capable of reproducing white, it is just that the color temperature is too high. It is a standard folks. If you vary from that standard it will result in inaccurate color, period.

If you don't believe me, check out the SMPTE website (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers). Nothing that I said about adjusting your tv with test patterns was untrue. I was not joking. It is the only way to have accurate color. Have you ever seen a broadcast television station sign off at around 2 or 3 am and put some colored bars on the screen until they come back on at 6 am or so. Those test patterns were more than likely what people refer to as the SMPTE color bars and they are one of the main test patterns for adjusting tv sets.

If you still don't believe me, all you have to do is read any of the audio or video magazines that rate televisions. They usually check it out, right out of the box and they even usually list what they found the color temperature to be, from the factory. They then calibrate the set and test it to see how good it can be.

When I get my home theater finished, I will buy a dlp front projector that will cost me about $15,000 and a couple extra thousand for a screen. You better believe that as soon as it is installed, I will have an ISF technician come out and calibrate my set.

It costs about $200- $300 to have a set calibrated, but you can't really expect someone to do it for less. It requires some very expensive test equipment such as a color analyzer and it is not something that you can do yourself. It really is about the same price as a minor in-home tv repair bill is today. But the result is that you will have perfectly accurate color up to the maximum capability of your tv set and the life of the set will probably be increased.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:49 pm

I made a joke about how OT this info I posted was in the leather jacket forum. I wouldn't mind if the Mods decided to move these to maybe the Lao Che's table where it may be more appropriate. I do feel that this information is Indy related as we all want to watch the trilogy in the best way possible in our homes.

It seems to be important to many on this forum as to exactly what color is seen on screen. If your set at home is not set to what the standard is for the televison industry, you have no chance at all to see what the true colors are of Indy's gear. If you want to see me go off on a tangent, just ask about the color accuracy and consistency of video display devices. Yes, I joke around all the time, but somebody hit a nerve here. I don't play when it comes to home theater. I guess you could say that I am a tad passionate about it.

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:10 pm

Indiana Texas-girl wrote:Bufflehead, if anyone else besides you or your evil twin had posted the message about adjusting your tv colors, I would have bought it.

Now hold on just a second, don't go grouping me with THIS nutcase!!!

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:28 pm

Hey Dr. Evil,

I haven't seen you post anything around here for a while and someone mentions your name and my name in the same sentance and boom, there you are. Like you have a reputation to protect. HAHAHAHAH.

Did you see that I have a new slogan? "How can you argue about screen accurate colors, when you don't know how to make the color on your screen accurate?"

I thought it was pretty good. I thought that one up myself.

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:09 pm

Yeah yeah I know, I've been busy lately, and I don't think that's about to change, but I make sure to keep up to date on all the comings and goings here. As for you being clever, my mommy told me that if I don't anything nice to say, I shouldn't say anything at all... But she's not here right now

Honestly though, in this matter I bow to your greater expertise, as I know next to nothing about home theaters, and what little I know was learned from you.

PS - PM sent your way

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:31 pm

Bufflehead Jones wrote:Nothing in my previous post about the television manufacturers increasing the color temperature of their sets to increase sales knowing that this practice produces inaccurate color and shortens the life of the set is not true.

Nothing that I said about adjusting your tv with test patterns was untrue.

Hmmm, you're using double negatives...so are you saying that what you posted about all that color stuff is true? Oh man, it's been a long weekend and what I know about a TV is how to hook up the DVD/VCR player and use the remote and hook up my stereo system to my VCR/DVD player.

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:02 pm

The other thing is, if you have an LCD panel TV, they don't display true-blacks, so other dark colors may be offset.

Just thought I'd toss that out.

Cheers.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:48 am

ITG,

It must be the school teacher in you. I could not believe it when I read your post. I hate double negatives. I know better. When you quoted me I thought that couldn't have been something that I wrote. I went back and looked. I not only did it once, but twice.

The only excuse that I can muster, and this is true also, is that I typed that whole thing right before I went out to cut the grass. I guess that I took too long to type it and when I went to post it, it said it was an invalid session. I was just going to cut and paste it into a new reply, but it was gone. I lost the whole thing. I was mad and wasn't going to retype the whole thing, but then I did it anyway. I was typing fast, well for me at least, and that is how it came out. That was version II and it probably wasn't as good as version I.

Yes, all of the tv stuff that I wrote is true. There, I think I said it without a double negative. It really makes me angry that all of the television manufacturers would purposely set their televisions at the wrong level, simply to compete with each other and increase their sales. To me that is greedy, dishonest, and just plain wrong. They know exactly what the standard is, and they are perfectly capable of providing it, if they chose to do so.

Flattery,

You are absolutely correct. That is the Achilles' heel of LCD televisions. The LCD panel can't shut the light completely off from the light source (bulb). Some of the light escapes and so the blacks come out looking more like a very dark gray. As they devealoped that product over the last several years, they made tremendous strides in reducing the pixel structure size, but in the end they can't avoid the light source issue.

That is why I want to put a DLP front projector in my home theater. I think DLP is much superior to LCD in it's ability to produce black. I think of the different types of projectors, DLP is the way to go. It is superior to LCD, no question, and it already rivals CRT in performance. Since it is cheaper that CRT, it has more bang for the buck. Not that a $15,000 projector is exactly cheap. But it certainly beats the $30,000-$90,000 high end CRT projectors and the user can set them up instead of having to rely on a technician as with CRT.

If commercial cinema goes digital, DLP seems to be the way they are going to go. The new Star Wars movies were shown in a few theaters around the country in a digital format. Those were shown on a commercial DLP projector.