"Professor's Bow Tie"

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:58 pm

While I haven't quite pulled the trigger yet on a tweed suit from Magnoli, (which I'm looking to do as soon I sell a valuable drum-set of mine), I have begun collecting some bow ties. Now, the suit I want to order first is the Marshall suit, and I want it to be as SA as possible, and I will order it with the Marshall tie as well, which, as we all know, is NOT a bow tie. But, while the suit in LC and CS he wears while teaching is certainly lighter in color than the Raiders tweed suit, he does wear a bow tie with it, and it pretty much looks like the same red tie with white dots on blue backgrounds in both films.

Here's a closeup from LC

and another from CS

I doubt its the same exact tie in both films, but you could tell they were going for the same look.

Anyway, the "professor's bow tie" from Magnoli says that it is dark brown with woven pink and green diamonds.

Neither the description nor the pic really look like the bow tie I see in the images above. Also, it looks like the tie is pre-tied, not a "tie-it-yourself" tie. I don't know if Magnoli was trying to emulate the ties we see in LC/CS, but as it's the only bow tie they offer, I sort of figured that he was.

So, as I was unsatisfied with that option, I hunted around on the old 'net and found a tie for $16 that I thought fit the bill pretty well. Mind you, I'm not wearing it with a tweed suit, as I said, and I do plan to order it from Magnoli soon, but I think I've got the red bow tie that I will be wearing with it from time to time already.

Here I am

and here is a link to the site where I got the tie if you are interested. It's a great site, with lots of different ties, bow and non-bow.

http://saveonties.com/fbs3418rd.html

DHW

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:07 pm

The Magnoli is the TOD Pankot banquet tie...
That's a nice one though. Did you tie it or is it pre-tied? Looks mighty neat if you tied it.

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:17 pm

Hollowpond wrote:The Magnoli is the TOD Pankot banquet tie...
That's a nice one though. Did you tie it or is it pre-tied? Looks mighty neat if you tied it.

Ah, very good. Thanks for the clarification! Forgot to check that out, though last night my mind did wander to the TOD tie, but I forgot to add that to my discussion here. "Must have slipped my mind . . . "

Here's the best screen grab I could get from theraider of the TOD bowtie. It certainly DOES resemble the Magnoli offering.

So, thank you for that, especially out of fairness to Magnoli, since I didn't want to think that he would be that off. But now that I pointed this out, even though I've got one that I think is pretty good . . . Magnoli, if you are reading this, I would love to see what kind of self-tying bow tie you can come up with that would be a match for the tie Indy wears from the pics I posted from LC and CS.

And to answer your question, Hollowpond, I'm glad you like the one I've got, and yes, I tied it myself! You tube is a wonderful thing.

DHW

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:22 pm

GREAT!! Welcome to the club. My favorite part of wearing a bowtie is when an event is over, casually untying it and letting it hang around your neck and watching the impressed faces.
Oh, and take it from one who knows...if you wear a grey coat with that red tie, you WILL be called Pee Wee!

Adventure Dog · Post by **Adventure Dog** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:24 pm

The bowtie and jacket looks great on you Daren! You have such an ease of clothing that typically looks flawless. I'm sure Magnoli will no doubt look into the bow-tie if enough people would buy it. In my own world, I've been lingering on the fence (Well, I'd jump OVER the fence if I had the money or a job) about ordering the Pankot bow-tie ever since finding a dead-ringer Tweed Jacket at a local Goodwill.

As for your bow-tie collection, be sure to check out etsy.com to find some handmade ones!

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:28 pm

Hollowpond wrote:GREAT!! Welcome to the club. My favorite part of wearing a bowtie is when an event is over, casually untying it and letting it hang around your neck and watching the impressed faces.
Oh, and take it from one who knows...if you wear a grey coat with that red tie, you WILL be called Pee Wee!

Ha ha! I think I just DID!

But seriously, good point! Didn't think of that!

But I know what you mean about the un-tied part. In fact, I was talking about that very concept to my wife last night when she snapped this pic . . .

SUCH a cool look, if I do say so myself . . .

DHW

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:43 pm

I'll have to see if I can find pics, but I wore a red bowtie with a grey jacket to our graduation one year and was bombarded with the Pee Wee comments!

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:46 pm

This has been on my "to do" list for literally years, but there never seemed to be enough interest. Our Professor's Bowtie is certainly a self-tie and NOT pre-tied.

If there are enough guys interested, we could certainly do a run of Crusade bowties, no problem...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:55 pm

Indy Magnoli wrote:This has been on my "to do" list for literally years, but there never seemed to be enough interest. Our Professor's Bowtie is certainly a self-tie and NOT pre-tied.

If there are enough guys interested, we could certainly do a run of Crusade bowties, no problem...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

Thanks, Indy! Sorry about the assumption regarding the pre-tied/self-tie snafu. Your site doesn't seem to say, and with the pic, I assumed . . . Sorry

As I will be ordering a tweed suit soon, hopefully within the next couple of months, I guess I'll then go ahead and say I would be interested in your version of the LC/CS bow tie as well.

DHW

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:10 pm

Daren, you may want to check out this thread to see more examples of Magnoli's Pankot Palace bow tie:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=49755&p=734271&hil ... li#p734271

I can attest, too, that this is a free-style bow tie (and being a straight-edge instead of a butterfly bow tie makes it even a bit more challenging to tie). This has quickly become one of my favorite bow ties (second only to my Dead Sea Scrolls bow ties).

Indy Magnoli wrote:...If there are enough guys interested, we could certainly do a run of Crusade bowties, no problem...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

I would definitely be among those interested in a Crusade bow tie!

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

jlhampton · Post by **jlhampton** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:48 pm

Daren,
This hasn't much to do with the tie, but you mentioned your interest in the marshal suit. I just ordered one about a month and a half ago and wanted the most s.a. color tweed. The picture of the brown tweed on his site of Steerpike was the closest, but the fabric is no longer available. Talk to Magnoli, and he will find the closest thing for you. That is what I did and I'm very pleased with what he picked out. He stated that it was the closest to what is shown in the pics. I haven't received it yet, but I have no doubts.
By the way, you wear the bow tie well. I'm not much for them, but you really pull it off.

jlhampton

Indy B · Post by **Indy B** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:48 am

Daren,
Thank you for sharing the information on the Bow Tie. Good luck selling the drum kit, and hopefully we will see pics of your Magnoli suit soon.

Cordially'
B.

backstagejack · Post by **backstagejack** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:27 pm

Any tips on tying the thing? I have the pankot tie from Magnoli and have the darndest time tying it.....I think I managed it once......I want to wear it once the cooler weather kicks in and I can throw on a good suit...

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:53 pm

backstagejack wrote:Any tips on tying the thing? I have the pankot tie from Magnoli and have the darndest time tying it.....I think I managed it once......I want to wear it once the cooler weather kicks in and I can throw on a good suit...

Do you mean tips for tying a bow tie in general? These are the best instructions I've found (you can print them out and put them in your mirror to consult while tying): http://www.folds.net/bowtie/

Hope this helps!

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:29 pm

I learned from watching youtube. At first, I couldn't find a good video to explain it to me. The first two I came across went way too fast, and the guys didn't explain well. Then I found this other fellow, and I got it pretty easily. Now, tying a bow tie doesn't take me any longer than tying a normal tie.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Offshoreorg ... oUre0ugkmI

Daren

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:13 am

I've been trying to tie that dang bowtie for 3 months and i STILL can't do it, no matter how many youtube videos I watch

Kyle

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:08 am

Don't give up! It took me nearly an hour before I got it down. If you can at least get it tied loosely ( don't worry if it looks messy ), try pulling on the tails of the tie until the bows nearly come loose, then grab the bows and pull them away from each other, tightening the center knot. Repeat this several times to get the bow nice and snug - you may have to turn and tweak the ends around a bit to make them look straight. If the center knot is a bit off, you can hold it with your fingers and pull the short side of the bow out to even it up. Good luck!

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:47 am

The key for me is finding the piece in the back that tightens the knot. I can shape the tie up just like I like it, and then pull that strand and it cinches it into place and neatens the whole thing up. 99% of the ties that I have seen tied incorrectly could be corrected by this.

Mr_Vader · Post by **Mr_Vader** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:51 am

Thanks for posting the video, the whole bow-tie technique has been a bit of a mystery to me. Particularly liked my wife walking by giving me the "what the heck are you watching now" face.

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:37 pm

One thing to keep in mind when tying a bow-tie is that it is the exact same method for tying your shoe laces. If you keep this in mind, it makes things a lot easier!

Kind regards,
Magnoli

Post by **Dalexs** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:27 pm

Indy Magnoli wrote:One thing to keep in mind when tying a bow-tie is that it is the exact same method for tying your shoe laces. If you keep this in mind, it makes things a lot easier!

Kind regards,
Magnoli

You know, I knew that, and for some reason it never seems to help.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:29 pm

Nice find DHW! Gotta love those neat repeats. I have something similar in a darker red.

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:45 pm

Daren, I forgot to mention--that tie looks great on you! Not everyone can pull off a bow tie, but you sure can.

There's an old thread over here with some photos of some of the various Indy ties, in which Magnoli describes the LC bow tie as a small blue pattern on a red tie (the blue brings out the blue stripes in the shirt, or vice versa):
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20050&p=280559&hil ... ie#p280559

There's a good photo of the CS bow tie in Issue #4 Nov./Dec. 2008 of Indiana Jones: The Official Magazine, p. 57. While somewhat similar to the LC, it is more of a darker maroon than the red of the LC tie, and the pattern is not in blue like the LC tie. I'd describe the pattern more as several small dots with occasional fine diamonds, perhaps of a lavender color to match the shirt he's wearing. It's difficult for me to tell.

Here's my closest look to these photos with my 3-piece suit, CS Adventurebilt, a very similar blue striped shirt, and a red with blue pattern bow tie:

(not the best close-up lighting for me

, but at least it shows well the similarities of the shirts and somewhat with the tie)

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:58 pm

Wow, that's a great close-enough LC shirt! Don't forget to unfasten that bottom vest button! It's not just screen accurate, but style accurate, too!

Kind regards,
Magnoli

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:59 pm

Well, my bow tie isn't quite as cleanly knotted or "non-lopsided" as either Indy's, Daren's or Nebraska's, but since getting inspired by this great Thread, I've decided to get to work on actually learning to tie this wonderful Magnoli BowTie that I've owned for a couple of month's now.

Anyway, I'm doing my best to learn how to not only tie it well, but carry off the "look", both with Hat and without...

Thanks fellas (as always) for such great inspiration.

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:21 pm

Looks good Mitch, but if you will find the strand in the back that will tighten that knot up it will look GREAT. Notice how Indy (and Darren's) knots are smaller. If you could cinch that knot up that would be a perfect bowtie knot!

Indy Magnoli wrote:Wow, that's a great close-enough LC shirt! Don't forget to unfasten that bottom vest button! It's not just screen accurate, but style accurate, too!

Kind regards,
Magnoli

Mags, that's true for all dress attire, correct? The vest bottom button and the jacket bottom button is never buttoned...N'est pas?

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:48 pm

Hollowpond wrote:Mags, that's true for all dress attire, correct? The vest bottom button and the jacket bottom button is never buttoned...N'est pas?

Absolument! You got it!

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:04 pm

I was certain that was right, but I wanted some backup. My friends and students will button the bottom button on a suit or sport coat and it drives me CRAZY!!!! I try to correct them but, what do you do? Its tough being a civilized man nowadays ...

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:22 pm

I VERY rarely correct fellow adults... but I do tell teenagers and younger boys about this point. I figure we can sort out the next generation!

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:35 pm

I had known that about the bottom button on jackets, but thanks for the tip for vests, too.

Best wishes,
NS

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:01 pm

It seems I learn at least one new thing every time I come here...

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:28 pm

It's cool when something stylish also happens to be practical. Try sitting in a chair both ways. You'll see the advantage immediately.

-Magnoli

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:39 pm

In regards to the bottom waistcoat button being undone, it's only because King Edward VII was so fat he couldn't button it! I usually choose to button it, though. Personal preference.

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:36 pm

Thanks, Chewie! I agree

Nebraska and Mitch: Dang, guys, lookin' GOOD! Both of you continue to impress me with your attitude, your outfits, and your attention to detail. I love starting posts like this one because I am inspired, and then having you guys all come on here inspired me all the more!

I can't wait until I can order my tweed Magnoli Raiders suit. Man, it's gonna be sweet . . .

Keep the bow tie pics comin', fellas!

Daren

DarenHenryW · Post by **DarenHenryW** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:39 pm

By the way, Nebraska, do you remember where you got that tie? The shirt is very impressive as well . . . I know these things aren't easy to come by years, or even only months later, but if you remember where and when, I'm sure we'd all love to know . . .

Daren

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:36 pm

DarenHenryW wrote:By the way, Nebraska, do you remember where you got that tie? The shirt is very impressive as well . . . I know these things aren't easy to come by years, or even only months later, but if you remember where and when, I'm sure we'd all love to know . . .

Daren

Daren, the bow tie was from http://www.bowtieclub.com/, but I don't think they carry that particular one anymore. However, there are several other good ones there. In fact, most of my bow ties come from there (excluding the black tie, Dead Sea Scrolls ties, and the Magnoli tie):
http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w325 ... G_0367.jpg
http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w325 ... G_0368.jpg

As for the dress shirt, I just happened to find it at JCPenney a couple of weeks ago. I brought along that bow tie to look for a pinstriped shirt that would match it, and didn't realize how close it was to the LC dress shirt until I posted earlier in here. It was a brand called "American Living".

Funny thing is that the store clerk saw my bow tie and asked if I knew how to tie it. Apparently, Penney's started carrying free-style bow ties, yet none of them there knew how to tie one. It was quite the image: me in a T-shirt, tying a bow tie around my neck, while I was surrounded by 4 sales clerks, all trying to see how it was done. I should have charged a consulting fee.

Hope this helps!

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:17 pm

Nebraska and Mitch, you guys look awesome!!!

Daren, I can't wait to see the pics when you get the Marshall College suit!

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:35 pm

My contributions. Pics are not good, but I swiped them off of FB
The "Pee Wee"

Prom Chaperone last year...

This one was at this years graduation featuring a bow tie purchased from our very own Chewbacca Jones!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:35 am

Lookin' SHARP

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:36 pm

Well, it's far from anything Indy would wear, but these may be my only bow tie pics I have. And yes, they are "tie-it-yourselfers."

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:09 pm

Mitch, Hollowpond, and Chewie: those are all great looking bow ties and outfits!

Chewie: I've actually considered getting the bow tie you have in the first 2 photos--looks great! Also, the final photo looks very Indy-esque.

Mitch, yours is also very Indy-esque.

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:22 pm

I prefer paisley, myself:

And a different paisley on my wedding day this past June:

All mine are tie-them-yerself.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:29 am

I'm not much of a paisley fan, but you make it work, Bugs.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:03 am

NICE, Bugs!
That looks great onya!

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:19 am

Just got my tie from Magnoli (along with a Venice tie) and it's so cool.

This is the result of my second attempt. I'm rather impressed with myself.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:05 am

Nice Jeff!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:59 pm

Excellent results, Jeff

WOW, especially for a second attempt!

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:23 am

Thanks, gents. I've been eyeing it for a long time and the upcoming QM was the incentive I needed to pull the trigger.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:04 pm

I remember when self-tie bow ties rode a wave of resurrgence back in the 70's, and I got pretty good at tying one. $\:D/$

It's been that long since I've tried to tie one. Wonder if I could still do it?

Regards! Michaelson

backstagejack · Post by **backstagejack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:02 pm

Well, today at my new job we're having a Board of Regents meeting, which is the people that are over the entire State of Texas University system. We were all encouraged to dress up and since I've only worked here for almost a month I decided to do it right.

Brown Fed IV, Dark brown slacks, brown and grey tweed vest, dark brown microsuede sports coat, white shirt, pocket watch and Magnoli's Pankot tie!

I hadn't tied it in a long time but luckily remembered how, I worked on it last night and was not happy with the results but this morning it just clicked.

It's not as perfect as some of the tie's I'm seeing on here but I don't think it's too bad, lol. I'd take a pic but my phone is lost....

I'm having a hard time getting it as tight as I want it, but I guess that just takes more practice.

But this is the most I've ever felt like "Professor" so far....