Club Obi Wan

Texan Scott wrote:I have to agree with Forrest, Forrest Gump. "Wested is like a box of chocolates"....

Forrest For the Trees wrote:My recommendation for a Wested (and this is just my preference, and what I would order if I were to get another) would be:
-ROLA custom pattern
-Dark brown lambskin
-No. 5 nickel zip
-Rectangular sliders with X-box stitching
-Underarm gussets

Raiders of the Lost Ark jacket
Dark Brown Lambskin, size 44 Long
All Cotton lining
Black/gunmetal sliders with X-box stitching

Height: 189cm (~6' 2.4")
Chest full of air: 109cm (~42.9")
Sleeve: My first one has 66.7cm (~26.26") which is fine
Back: My first one has 27 inches which is fine

• 80's cut
• No leather facing on the zipper
• 5 gauge silver color zipper with small zipper pull extending as low as possible without the zipper pull showing
• Slit inside pocket, NOT piped (see http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd31 ... CN0601.jpg)
• Tapered sleeves and back panel, backpanel extending all the way to the arm seam
• Extra reinforced handwarmer/side entry pocket entry stitchings
• Action pleat depth 3.2cm (~1.25")
• Collar ending in the middle of the storm flap, rounded top corner on the storm flap
• Side strap length 22.2cm (~8.75")
• Arm seam located one inch below the yoke seam
• Silver colored snaps on pockets, scalloped pocket flaps, pocket size same as my current jacket (width 16.3cm (~6.42"), height 19.5cm (~7.68"), pocket flap height 7cm (~2.76")), located 5.1cm (~2") from the bottom, right pocket 4cm (~1.57") from the zipper seam and left pocket 2.8cm (~1.1") from the storm flap

nihil wrote:Thanks for all the replies!

It's quite a jungle out there, and i really appreciate getting some help in choosing the right [correct] jacket.

I'll probably go for dark brown as well, as i personally don't like the lighter tone of the 'authentic' and as said earlier, in some scenes it looked almost black anyway. But how dark is the 'dark brown lambskin' ?
How durable is lambskin? And how durable compared to some of the other hides available?

Indydawg wrote:Holt....are you kidding, dude?!?! You KNOW goatskin will NEVER achieve the "look" of an Indy jacket....I mean, for holding up over the long term, goat is probably the best way to go all around (except for, perhaps, horsehide), but if you want a leather that's going to give you the Indy LOOK over the long term....some form of thinner cut cowhide or steerhide will make you much happier....I wonder if, with all the rucus over calfskin over the last few months, Peter has considered acquiring some of THAT?!

Regards!
Indydawg

Posted by _ from XX.XXX.XX.XX on August 07, 2000 at 15:01:29:

"I was able to examination an original jacket from Raiders over the weekend. I examined the jacket as well as the documents certifying its authenticity. I brought along a Wested jacket for comparison, though after owning three, I think I could have done this from memory. Peter even dropped me a hint as to an item I might look for to verify it was one of his. Based on all that I had before me, I believe that this was an authentic article.

So here goes…

For the most part, the items we've been debating made up the bulk of the differences:

1.The leather used was noticeably thicker then that on my Wested.

2.This particular jacket had rectangular rings 1 inch by ½ inch, rather then the d-rings. They were painted black.

3.The straps were thicker and a bit wider. The thickness was due to the leather being three layers thick rather then two.

4.The straps were attached within the seam of the jacket, which runs a few inches from the hand warmer slit, i.e. they were not attached right next to the hand warmer slit as with my Wested. A reinforcing length of stitching ran approximately ¼ inch from the seam on the side towards the hand warmer slit. This stitching was through the outer jacket and through the part of the strap under the seam.

5.The rings were attached under the seam like the Wested, but were much more flush with the edge of the rear panel, i.e. they were barely visible unless the bi-swing pleat were opened.

6.Also, a very interesting thing was that the stitching for the ring attachment went through the rear panel. This could explain why sometimes it looks like the attachment is on the outside and sometimes on the inside.

7.The overall side strap attachment is slightly above the center of the hand warmer slit opening, NOT level with the bottom of the opening as with my Wested.

8.The length of the bi-swing pleat ran ½ inch above the attachment of the ring attachment to the rear panel. As such, the bi-swing pleat on the Wested needs to be appropriately longer.

9.One big surprise - there were gussets under the arms! This explains a particular fit problem I've always had with the Wested, i.e. you cannot move your arms around much without the entire body of the jacket moving with you. The gussets would fix this. They were made up of two panels, each ¾ inch wide. Together they were shaped like an elongated eye. They serve as a kind of pleat under the arm to allow arm movement without affecting fit or how the jacket hangs. Very interesting.

10.The collar attachment to the storm flap was correct in basic configuration, but the Wested is off in scale. The storm flap on the original was 3/4 inch narrower, and the collar band was only ¾ inch wide vs. 1 1/8 on the Wested. Other then that the collar dimensions were dead-on. Sorry, but the collar band did attach to the top of the storm flap, creating the "cap" to the storm flap - some have disputed this, though I cannot recall who. The resulting collar sat more flat against the jacket.

11.The bi-swing pleat was 1 ½ inches deep, vs. 1 inch on my Wested. The extra ½ inch makes a big difference in the appearance of the pleat.

12.The seam under the sleeve was lined up perfectly with the seam across the back of the jacket.

13.The inside pocket was a simple leather-bound slit, not the more elaborate configuration of my Wested. Actually, I really do prefer the more elaborate setup, but that's not the purpose here.

14.The lining was cotton - heavier then the cotton I have on my LC Wested. It was more like a lightweight denim-like material. The color was very close to my Wested's, however.

15.The cargo pockets were dead-on.

16.The zipper was the cheap aluminum type, with several teeth missing.

17.The jacket had two tears - one on each elbow. Quite probably the reason it was set aside from the production.

18.The color was a very deep brown - almost black in indoor light. Under bright light it did have a very subtle reddish hue.

I have drawings and measurements in note form. I'll put together some diagrams to try and clarify all this in the next few days.

Fun stuff!

-_"

Texan Scott wrote:Holt,

Do you have on hand, _'s details on the Raiders stunt jacket he examined at G&B, Flight Suits? The results were posted in a thread a few months ago, but I was not able to find them.

If you could possibly re-post them it would be much appreciated.

4.The straps were attached within the seam of the jacket, which runs a few inches from the hand warmer slit, i.e. they were not attached right next to the hand warmer slit as with my Wested. A reinforcing length of stitching ran approximately ¼ inch from the seam on the side towards the hand warmer slit.
5.The rings were attached under the seam like the Wested, but were much more flush with the edge of the rear panel, i.e. they were barely visible unless the bi-swing pleat were opened.
7.The overall side strap attachment is slightly above the center of the hand warmer slit opening, NOT level with the bottom of the opening as with my Wested.
8.The length of the bi-swing pleat ran ½ inch above the attachment of the ring attachment to the rear panel. As such, the bi-swing pleat on the Wested needs to be appropriately longer.
9.One big surprise - there were gussets under the arms! They were made up of two panels, each ¾ inch wide. Together they were shaped like an elongated eye.
10.The collar attachment to the storm flap was correct in basic configuration, but the Wested is off in scale. The storm flap on the original was 3/4 inch narrower, and the collar band was only ¾ inch wide vs. 1 1/8 on the Wested.
11.The bi-swing pleat was 1 ½ inches deep, vs. 1 inch on my Wested. The extra ½ inch makes a big difference in the appearance of the pleat.

TheExit148 wrote:Go and ask about the "Hero" jacket Peter showed awhile back. Its a Raiders jacket, he'll have more information on it. KT may be able to comment more on it too. Not even sure if it is or will be an option at this point.

Michaelson wrote:It's a shame they no longer carry the old lambtouch cowhide.

Not sure what it really was, but I had one and it was wonderful. Light as lambskin, but tough as cowhide....which it was. I just think it was a thinner cowhide they were able to obtain at the time, but I absolutely loved mine.

That's what I'm wearing in this 2003 photo of me standing with Lee Keppler on the Queen Mary.



Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Holt wrote:lol. I send him an email too about something else.... no reply

Michaelson wrote:I sent him an email and asked.

I wonder if I'll get a reply?

Regards! Michaelson