New KOtCS pic: The jacket

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:06 am

Looks the part...but that cowhide looks really thick and "puffy". Just like in Tony's prototype jacket photo... Sionara, you gorgeous draping! It was good while it lasted...

Any thoughts?

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:53 am

The jacket looks HUGE! The length of the body and sleeves are way beyond any of the other movies. It’s definitely a different jacket all around…

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:55 am

sebas wrote: Looks the part...but that cowhide looks really thick and "puffy". Just like in Tony's prototype jacket photo... Sionara, you gorgeous draping! It was good while it lasted...

Any thoughts?

Which prototype would this be? Pic?

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:30 am

Really does look quite similar to the Disney jacket to me....

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:38 am

Also notice how the bag strap is deffenetly on the out side of the jacket in this movie, this'll cause some major distressing, don't tell Michealson

Croft

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:48 am

Don't worry about me, old friend. I gave up on this lot LONG ago.

Regards! Michaelson

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:54 am

I don't think it's much longer than the previous jackets. The length of the sleeves compared to the body looks about the same. I definately don't like how stiff it looks though.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:58 am

Smaller gauge zipper than normal, left handed pull.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:23 am

KT Templar wrote:

Which prototype would this be? Pic?

Pic is here:

http://www.indyjacket.co.uk/Pollark%20Sample.jpg

Taken from this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=24458

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:30 am

sebas wrote:KT Templar wrote:

Which prototype would this be? Pic?
Pic is here:

http://www.indyjacket.co.uk/Pollark%20Sample.jpg

Taken from this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=24458

For the record that is one of the prototypes made by Wested not Nowak.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:37 am

KT Templar wrote:

For the record that is one of the prototypes made by Wested not Nowak.

Right you are, sir. I stand corrected. But it is, nonetheless, a protoype made for KOtCS with -we can assume- the same specs and material that Nowak submitted.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:50 am

I believe that prototype is a veg tanned lambskin see how it marks very readily?

It's interesting to see that the collar ends partway along the stormflap on that particular proto (much like the main LC jacket we've been talking about of late) but it's hard to see on the publicity shots, the edge of the collar seems to be nearer the stormflap stitched seam edge on the final one.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:53 am

I have an older US wings that is fitted (no Bat wing arm holes) in design and has the storm flap meeting the collar at the mid point hat looks almost exactly like this new jacket! It is even the pre distressed cowhide.... I'll post some pics.

C3

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:00 am

That Wested prototype looks sooo much better IMO, than the jacket that Ford is wearing, mostly because of the character and texture of the leather.

Doug C

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:34 am

Spot on. The jacket has no shape to it. It looks like it could be made of rubber. It looks dead

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:39 am

It looks like it's got potential, but it's as if they didn't finish the process. I'm still holding out for the big screen before I make my final judgement, but from the pics, it just doesn't have the drape and look we've come to expect. I view much of his gear as replaceable—the shirt, hat, jacket, whip, etc.—It just makes sense that after so much field work, some bits of gear would wear out and be replaced by like-minded surplus. Still, from these shots, it looks like this gear set hasn't seen as much field use as his "worn out" gear.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:43 am

Based on the photos, I like it, but not as much as my Todd's Standard-- and certainly not enough to spend a lot of money on it. How it looks through the course of the movie will be the real test, though.

Jack

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:12 am

small note...the zipper does NOT extend all the way to the bottom of the jacket.

That'll save wested some trouble if anyone wants an indy 4 jacket from them.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:18 am

djd wrote:Spot on. The jacket has no shape to it. It looks like it could be made of rubber. It looks dead

Pfft...dead? How do you think the cow feels?

Anyway, I actually like the way the jacket looks. It'll probably look different on film since the photo is (presumably) a digital still.

It's nice to have different looks though. This is just one more to add to the pile. I wouldn't say it is my favourite of the 4 films but loads better than the LC jacket, cosmetically speaking.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:19 am

I think it's a good-looking jacket. Clearly not what we're used to, and I think the collar looks fine.

It does seem to hang a lot lower than Ford's belt, though.

SD

Canada Jones · Post by **Canada Jones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:25 am

St. Dumas wrote:I think it's a good-looking jacket. Clearly not what we're used to, and I think the collar looks fine.

It does seem to hang a lot lower than Ford's belt, though.

SD

Maybe it was made longer to make the huge holster look more proportional.
Canada

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:26 am

Toldog07 wrote:small note...the zipper does NOT extend all the way to the bottom of the jacket.

That'll save wested some trouble if anyone wants an indy 4 jacket from them.

Apart from the small dig there, that's usually due to the jacket having inner zipper facings, which I suspect this jacket has too.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:34 am

Do we know if the pic in question is a movie still or an early promo shot, perhaps when things weren't "finalized?"

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:41 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:It looks like it's got potential, but it's as if they didn't finish the process. I'm still holding out for the big screen before I make my final judgement, but from the pics, it just doesn't have the drape and look we've come to expect. I view much of his gear as replaceable—the shirt, hat, jacket, whip, etc.—It just makes sense that after so much field work, some bits of gear would wear out and be replaced by like-minded surplus. Still, from these shots, it looks like this gear set hasn't seen as much field use as his "worn out" gear.

Hopefully the movie explains what he has been doing since finding the Grail....like he has been out of the adventure business for awhile, and this movie plunges him back in....if that's the case, maybe some of his replacement gear hasn't seen much action.

Either way, I like this jacket better than the lambskin versions....it LOOKS sturdy.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:51 am

It's so lifeless and it's stiffness such that it reminds me of the suspect CGI rendered fabric in films and in video game cut scenes...
Thanks Bernie!

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:02 pm

There isn;t any way for you to know how stiff it is from the photos....it could be quite soft, but since its likely thicker than the lambskin, and doesn't crinkle like wet toilet paper, it just APPEARS to be stiff. Give it a fair shot, wait till the moview comes out and you see it in motion; a still doesn't tell the whole story.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:12 pm

I'm not judging how it'll look in the film. I'm giving my opinion based on what I see before me. The hide could indeed turn out to be more supple, softer than it looks. But based solely on this photo, it looks sub par to a lot of us. Afterall, the Raiders jacket looked terrific in the stills and promo shots -just as ite it did on the big screen. That's why if it looks dodgy here, I suspect it won't improve much in the film...

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:45 pm

Sub par? Well, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. I think we just have discovered yet another line along which to divide the gear head crowd.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:58 pm

These discussions have been interesting, at best.

This is the very first time that an Indy film has been made and released during the existance of the world wide web. We had to go see the films FIRST before we had access to stills, and therefore we carried the image of the gear as seen on screen over to what we saw in the still photos.

Now we're seeing the stills FIRST, THEN we'll see the screen images either in the upcoming trailer, or the film when released in May.

I find it MOST interesting opinions are being made and 'lines drawn' before we even get to see Indy and his new gear in action on the screen, and all based on a few still photographs that show us absolutely nothing regarding what the gear can or can not do in action.

Interesting indeed.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:29 pm

Humm. Personally I like car coats....but then, I drive a '50 Plymouth with little to no heat, and in this weather, I REALLLLLY like a car coat when sitting on that icey cold bench seat during my drive to home at night!!!

Regards! Michaelson

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:33 pm

Michaelson is right. If the web existed when LC came out, people would have cried bloody murder with regards to the jacket. Instead, it’s some people's favorite jacket.. Cheers

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:34 pm

Well, I am no jacket guy. But, the only jacket I ever kept was the one from _, via Michaelson. Cowhide. And this one reminds me of my own cowhide wested in so far as the drape and thickness. This jacket here actually looks like it would work as a biker jacket, in so far as the thickness part. Since I am a durability guy only, it gets my thumbs up, just because it looks like they used a substantial leather on this one.

I know many get into the drape of the Raider jacket, and such, but I am a different animal. I always wondered why Indy would wear a not so tough jacket anyways on adventures. I mean, leather was worn as protection from stuff, ya know? So, the thicker and tougher the better for me. I could give a hoot about drape. I ain't entering no beauty contest. I might want to take a roll down a rocky hill someday and would appreciate the protection, if you know what I mean. If the jacket tears from snagging something, it would probably tear my skin as well. I tore my lamb skin the first day I owned it, by snagging it on a nail head, going into my moms house for a visit. I was sick for the rest of the day. That same nailhead grabbed my cowhide wested, and just scratched the surface. Looked better after the scratch than before. My kind of jacket.

Fedora

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:38 pm

It's a good point you make Michaelson, but I have to predict that most everyone will love the movie, I certainly expect to. But at the same time it's still possible to think the jacket could have been better. Like with Last Cruisade, I love the movie but have always regretted the jacket used, still love the movie though. Also, there are plenty of folks who thought that cow hide was the perfect leather before the CS movie was even thought of, so I suspect those folks will be big fans of this jacket regardless. So in a way lines were drawn long before we saw these shots. Perhaps we're basing our opinion (albeit early) on the cow hide jackets that were used in the LC. Or, as someone else has said it's just based on the picture we're looking at above.

Doug C

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:41 pm

I find it odd that the new production hadn't made costume continuity from the three previous films a priority. There are quite a few notable differences in the KOTCS costume photos from those of the first three movies in the "look" of the jacket, the holster colour, wearing the bag strap under the jacket -- even to an attentive filmgoer's eye when comparing photos. Sure, costume differences are the production's prerogative, but they chose to make those items were more or less consistent with each other in the first three. Why the change now? It seems unnecessary.

S.D.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:42 pm

Like I said, we're discussing how the jacket looks here, in this production still. What it'll look like on the screen is heresay.

However, it's worth mentioning that the general consensus is that rest of the gear looks great "as is," especially the fedora. Funny how, in this area, no one is urging catuion to wait for the film in order to give a final verdict.

The "as is" appearance of the jacket is dividing a lot of us here. Obviously, I'm hoping for the best -but it is okay to skeptical.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:52 pm

I don’t know what you guys are talking about with regards to costume continuity. He looks like Indiana Jones, and at least he’s not wearing a tie. His holster doesn’t have a military plug at the bottom and that’s kind of lame, but everything else makes “real world” sense. Indiana Jones wouldn’t make it five minutes into “one of his movies” in real life with a lambskin jacket twithout it shredding. Lee Keppler has told me for years that if he had outfitted Indiana Jones, he would have had him wear the bag on the outside of the jacket. Wearing it on the inside makes no sense. Cheers

ps - The jacket should have been goatskin. You get strength, lightweight, and pliability.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:54 pm

Any one think that maybe the jacket was designed to be more "generic" for marketing? After all, we know that this Indy film is (has) been(ing) blitzed with new products. We know that some of the costume will be marketed so I think they (the designers) thought a more "functional" jacket would sell. Just my theory.

Cheers,
Jeff

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:57 pm

Gobler wrote:Any one think that maybe the jacket was designed to be more "generic" for marketing? After all, we know that this Indy film is (has) been(ing) blitzed with new products. We know that some of the costume will be marketed so I think they (the designers) thought a more "functional" jacket would sell. Just my theory.

Cheers,
Jeff

Disney will make a lot of money. As Paterson pointed out, they make the official jacket (Lucasfilm can’t get out of the contract). I doubt Lucas gives a you know what about making it easy to duplicate.

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:57 pm

My bag-on-the-outside hypothesis: There may be a scene where Indy has to take the bag off. If it's under his jacket, it would be pretty awkward. Perhaps it's as simple as that.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:12 pm

_ wrote:
Rundquist wrote:Lee Keppler has told me for years that if he had outfitted Indiana Jones, he would have had him wear the bag on the outside of the jacket. Wearing it on the inside makes no sense. Cheers
Plus, what if it got stuck over the barrel of a WWI tank? He'd be SOL if it were under his jacket! Oh, wait...

You know, if you think of Indy as a real person, maybe that's the reason why he changed his strap from inside to the outside... I know I would!

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:20 pm

I have to agree with DeWayne. My Disney jacket is the same style and length that I see in the photo.. Who'da thought the Disney jacket would be SA?

_ wrote:Well, at 65 Ford's belt is getting closer to his neck...

Yeah and the time any man hits the age of 85, his closet is full of pants with collars on them.

Looking back at the photo, Ford's expression reminds me of the actor Lee J. Cobb for some reason.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:24 pm

The goal was to produce an exact copy of a jacket from the archives that was purchased from Lee Keppler in 1986, cut to fit Ford at 65.

Why wouldn't they just copy a jacket from the archives that was used in one of the earlier films instead of a fanmade copy of one of them? Was there something in particular about the Keppler jacket that they liked over the actual jackets used in the movies?

I think alot of the talk about what type of hide was used is sort of silly. It's not the hide that matters as to whats on film, but how it looks. Who cares if it's cow or that they used lamb on the other films as long as it looks good. I think the new jacket 'looks' as if it were taken from Wilsons leather from some shopping mall in the mid-eighties. Throw on some stone washed jeans, some white Nikes, grow a mullet and it's 1988 all over again. If you ask most people (non-gearheads) they'd say all of his jackets were cowhide. Nobody but us die-hards really know and in the end it doesn't matter so long as it looks right.

I'm just hoping it will look better on screen and that these high-rez pics are just throwing us off.

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:51 pm

Rundquist wrote : and at least he’s not wearing a tie.

Amen, brother!

Doug C

Risu · Post by **Risu** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:54 pm

I don't have a problem with the distressing job done and I don't even mind the cowhide that much considering how godawfully heavy the LC jacket looked, but the bag strap on the outside is going to create some serious problems I think. Anybody here who's worn the bag like that knows how it can make the jacket look, especially since that jacket is longer than usual. With the bag resting on the inside of the jacket and the strap around the outside, there must be a part of the jacket sticking out in the back where the strap has to bet around it. It looks really strange, like you've got a tail protruding into your jacket.

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:57 pm

sebas wrote:
However, it's worth mentioning that the general consensus is that rest of the gear looks great "as is," especially the fedora. Funny how, in this area, no one is urging catuion to wait for the film in order to give a final verdict.
.

I thought this was what I tried to say above:

bjones wrote:Give it a fair shot, wait till the movie comes out and you see it in motion; a still doesn't tell the whole story.

Michaelson wrote:I find it MOST interesting opinions are being made and 'lines drawn' before we even get to see Indy and his new gear in action on the screen, and all based on a few still photographs that show us absolutely nothing regarding what the gear can or can not do in action.

Interesting indeed.

Regards! Michaelson

Once again Michaelson sums everything succinctly with a few words.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:01 pm

You think so?

Then don't go to the guns section and read the Indy IV gun thread. I'm all OVER the radar screen in THAT one!

Regards! Michaelson

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:08 pm

Michaelson wrote:You think so?

Then don't go to the guns section and read the Indy IV gun thread. I'm all OVER the radar screen in THAT one!

Regards! Michaelson

I've been over there, but the subject matter is a bit outside my tastes. I'm more of a 1911 guy....and I've seen what mentioning that can do there!!

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:14 pm

Indiana Jess said:

Looking back at the photo, Ford's expression reminds me of the actor Lee J. Cobb for some reason.

I agree... Harrison looks just like Cobb when he was in "12 angry men"

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:18 pm

Fedora wrote:
I always wondered why Indy would wear a not so tough jacket anyways on adventures. I mean, leather was worn as protection from stuff, ya know?

I gotta go with Steve on this one – as much as we all go on about the drape of the Raiders jacket, in the real world Indy would wear a leather jacket for protection from the elements and injury – he wouldn’t give a flying flip about drape. As much as I love my lamb Wested, I don’t see it holding up in the real world to the type of stresses that a real Indy would subject it to…

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:23 pm

in the real world Indy would

- but even if that were true it's not the point, it's about the gear looking right on screen, like it used to - in my opinion.

Picture Indy running full out over the hill with hovitos in hot pursuit, well that's a sceen that wouldn't be the same without Indy's jacket waving in the breeze, and there are plenty others too.

Doug C

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