Pics of Todd's Jacket

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:23 am

I have to say I like the pocket flap very much.
Can you show us photos of the strap configuration?

The jacket is long or it's just me?

davefelker · Post by **davefelker** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:32 am

Thats a good looking jacket

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:43 am

The pockets look a little small (agent5 specs maybe?) and the sleeves a little long for my taste.

But the jacket looks a lot better worn rather than hanging.

The collar and color look great too.

Abner1925 · Post by **Abner1925** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:31 am

The pockets look more like the older G&B size, which isn't a bad thing at all. The sleeve length looks just fine as it seems to go all the way to the end of his arms.

Great looking leather and cut on this one too! I'll bet the actual first run jackets are even better. Nice job Todd and thanks for the pics G-Mann.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:38 am

G-MANN, now THAT is a fine looking jacket, and a GREAT help to see it actually on a warm body.

If this one is just a prototype that still remains to be 'tweaked', then I can totally understand why you've been such a strong supporter.

PLATON, bear in mind, he hasn't had it very long, so the usual 'ride up' hasn't occurred. It will probably go up about an inch or so with wear.

Thank you VERY much for sharing.

HIGH regards! Michaelson

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:48 am

G-MANN thanks for posting the pics! I like the look of the leather and it looks like it fits great.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:37 pm

Thanks for posting. I agree with what's been said about the pocket flap shape. Very nice.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:29 pm

Pretty good lookin' jacket I'd say, especially the lambskin.

The scalloped pockets and the arm sleeve seams, ect. all look great as well. The collar doesn't look too bad I suppose.

Something about the pockets, on first glance, looks a lil' off or different, What it is I can't say, I dunno. Maybe it's nothing but the way I am viewing them.

Any pics of the strap configuration & what kind of sliders it has?

Thanks!

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:14 pm

I'm not sure what the regular sliders are but I believe Todd said he would offer the option of having the "tri-glide" sliders put on the jacket if you wanted it.

Like Todd said though things are still up in the air as far as continuing with this jacket project. It may end up that G-Mann and a few lucky others are the only ones that will ever own this jacket.

I'm glad people over here were able to get to see the jacket though. For it just being a prototype I think it looks really good.

Indiana Max · Post by **Indiana Max** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:16 pm

Very nice jacket, thanks for the pics

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:33 pm

the grain and texture of the leather looks great g-mann! congrats on the jacket, it looks great on you.

now, when are you going to take the alcohol, belt sander and acetone to it?

...just kidding!

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:29 pm

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:33 pm

G-MANN wrote: I have already had an offer from someone to buy it from me.
G-MANN

This does not surprise me.

Todd, I hope this gives you more input in the actual interest in your jacket. When you have folks trying to buy jackets off the back of a man who owns one.....you KNOW it's a winner.

Regards! Michaelson

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:08 pm

That grain & leather texture looks outstanding. Now that is lambskin I would buy.....looks very substantial.

She's a beaut Clark

What kind of lining & zipper is that?

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:14 pm

The zipper is nickel and the lining in this jacket is poly, however Todd will be using the Cotton lining in all future jackets.

Cheers,
G-MANN

marco polo · Post by **marco polo** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:18 pm

Thanks for the pics!

Rixter · Post by **Rixter** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:20 am

G-MANN wrote:The Jacket is Lambskin and Todd did a great job of selecting a wonderful grain texture in the hides that he used. There was a bit of color variation that ended up being visible on the one pocket.

<< ... Snip... ...Rip... ....Cut... ...Tear... >>

This jacket has a nice slim cut sort of like the 80's Wested but also seems cut more like my Expedition. Sort of a hybrid. Also it has very heavy duty stitch work.

I could not be much happier with the job Todd has done on this jacket for me...

From what I can tell from the pictures the jacket looks to have a nice line to the sleeves that I like. There seems to be somewhat of a taper to just a little below the elbow and then a bit of a flaring out again as it nears the cuff. My Expeditions do not have that type of sleeve judging from what I see in your pics, but rather more of a slight gradual taper culminating at the cuff.

I did notice the color variation on the left pocket that you mention, but, then I've seen many a jacket with both pockets seemingly cut from different, smaller hides or remnants. However the gain is attractive and appears uniform throughout.

All-in-all, I for one would certainly like to see more of this jacket if and when things fall into place and when the time is right.

rebelgtp · Post by **rebelgtp** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:38 am

wow that is a very nice lookin jacket if i decide to go with a lamb skin that might be the one....hmmm i already have horse, and i have a goat on the way, hehe get a different hide from different manufactures until i have one of each

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:59 am

I suppose I am going to be the sole detractor on this one. I think those pockets are comically small. Also, what's up with the non dual x-box stitching? Also, in my opinion, that leather looks almost like snakeskin, it is so blotchy. The sculpted pocket flap is okay, but the rest of it? Yuck. The sleeves go down so far, it looks like he is a kid wearing his dad's jacket.

No offense meant to G-MANN at all.

VP · Post by VP » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:40 am

Strider wrote:Also, what's up with the non dual x-box stitching?

Whaddaya mean?

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:37 am

G-Mann, I think it looks fantastic. Too bad we got hit with this sudden case of cold weather. Looks like you'll have to wait a while to break it in. I personally think it's a dead ringer for this jacket.

Of course, the pockets are slightly moved over and Terry leonard is wearing a bit of padding underneath but I think the overall look of your jakcet captures this one.

I also think the leather looks pretty nice. Need to see it in person to be absolutely sure but if G-Mann says it's nice I surely believe him. He's no stranger to any of the other offerings we have. The leather looks like it's pretty close to a few of the screen used jackets. At least some of the sceen used jackets were far from perfect when it came to leather texture consistancy.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:13 am

The truth be said, these pockets are too small. Compare to the size of his hand in the photo. I doubt he can get his hands in the handwarmers with ease. I hope TODD will take care of that in the future jackets since he won't be allowing any customizations.

And yes, the leather is like snake skin...

I was in Milan, the capital of fashion, last weekend, and I saw some jackets of which the quality you can't imagine. The prices of lambskin jackets at Armani's were starting from 1500 eur and the leather was soft like butter and thin like human skin. The texture/grain was perfect. Flawless jackets....

About the photo that agent5 posted, those marks on his right shoulder are distress marks not leather texture/grain.

And by the way, to return to the triglide matter, since you posted that photo, these marks on his shoulder are one distinctive feature of the jacket from which you can tell on which scenes he is wearing the same jacket. (I personally don't think he was changing many).

The small pockets on Terry Leonard's jacket are kinda silly. Look at their disctance from the bottom of the jacket. I don't think anybody in COW would like to have pockets like this.

Am I wrong?

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:20 am

PLATON wrote:.
The small pockets on Terry Leonard's jacket are kinda silly. Look at their disctance from the bottom of the jacket. I don't think anybody in COW would like to have pockets like this.

Am I wrong?

Maybe, maybe not. At least they're screen accurate, so with that in mind, some folks will be very pleased.

Regards! Michaelson

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:22 am

About the photo that agent5 posted, those marks on his right shoulder are distress marks not leather texture/grain.

No, I was saying it was the texture of the leather. Just off the side of this collar. This may go back to the early leather producing methods Peter told us they used during Raiders and have since discontinued. The jackets now come alot smoother in texture than before.

And noooooo, the leather does NOT look like snakeskin. I owned a Florida Kingsnake for 14 years. It's just textured leather, same as some of the FS jackets I've seen.

Although I do think the pockets are juuuuust a bit too small I still dig em. There is something very Raidersesque about the pics with G-Mann wearing it. I dunno. I like the pockets. Small as they are, I like em.

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:39 am

Since I did not make the jacket I cannot respond accurately to some of the remarks made here. All I did was purchase and wear it. The jacket is litterally 5 minutes out of the box when I put it on to take the pics.

Of course some folks are going to like the jacket and some are not, that's just human nature. I am not here to convince anybody to like or dislike the jacket nor am I here to argue about it.

I am sure Todd himself will address some of your concerns as far as the pockets, texture and anything else brought up here. All I am doing is providing some pictures so that you can all decide on your own if this is a jacket you might want to purchase somewhere down the line.

Agent5, You sure are right about the weather. Nature gave us some real smack-down here just about the time the jacket arrived. You also have an open invitation to check out any of my gear in person.

Cheers,
G-MANN

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:19 am

You also have an open invitation to check out any of my gear in person.

Thanks. I'll be taking you up on that soon.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. :arrow:

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:28 am

I don't think the pocket's look "comically" small. I think they're little smaller than my Wested but that's it. The only problem I would have with smaller pockets is that I might not be able to carry the same stuff as I do in my Wested. During the winter here I stuff my gloves and stuff in the front pockets and even on the Wested it's a tight fit.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:42 pm

The pockets are 6.5" high and 6.25" wide (total size with flap). Perhaps some of you can get out a tape measure and check your pockets. The IndyGear main site lists the TOD pocket as 6"x5". And remember, this is a medium, so you should compare sizes on medium jackets. I would scale the pocket size up or down with the jacket to keep the same proportions.

BTW, the "stripes" on the jacket in the screen cap are the natural stretch marks in lambskin. They radiate perpendicular to the spine of the animal. G-MANN has some of those on his jacket. In more finished leather they cover them up, but they are visible in leather with a more natural grain.

The pebble effect is due to the crushing of the leather during tanning. The photos make it look more pronounced than it does in person (I think). I am looking for leather with a little less "pebble" to use in the future. All part of the development process...

Todd

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:57 pm

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:01 pm

In reference to the length, the sleeves will shrink as the creases set in. Also, (as I'm sure you all know) when the zipper is open the shoulders and sleeves slide down the arms. Still, they might be 1/2" too long for him and I'd be glad to adjust them for him if he'd like.

"Double X-box stitching"? The rear strap has an "X", the front strap does not.

And to the slider discussion, I think I've changed my mind on that, too. I think the straps are not reversed on the Hawaii jacket. The screen cap where Ford is scooping up sand at the entrance to the cave...when he turns to the left and the right side of the jacket is exposed, it is easy to see that the strap is very long...almost pulled out of the buckle. Yet the buckle maintains it's position on the rear panel. This proves that on THAT jacket the buckle was attached to the rear strap, not the front strap. So the tri-glide used in it's normal way would be appropriate, as PLATON has suggested. Besides, those tri-glides are such a standard jacket and coat item - it would be natural to use them there.

Whether or not the config is reversed on the truck or not...

I'd like to know how many jackets Ford wore. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same one all the way through.

Todd

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:04 pm

We've heard upwards to 10 were used by Ford, and a total of over 45 jackets over all for production.....but that number changes with each telling I'm afraid.

The next time I post this information, it will be 12 jacket for Ford, and 53 overall......

Regards! Michaelson

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:56 pm

I though Peter's version was that they ordered 8 and he had to have them done over one weekend. I think the 45 number is the total made over the course of the three films.

Is this wrong? Maybe I'm thinking of the alleged 8 hats? Was it 10?

Todd

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:12 pm

Well, if you factor in all the OTHER jackets that were floating around on the Raiders sets made by Wilson and Wings, who knows?

Regards! Michaelson

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:41 pm

Puppetboy wrote:"Double X-box stitching"? The rear strap has an "X", the front strap does not.

Right. Why not?

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:45 pm

Isn't the front strap usually attached through the seam rather than the outside of the jacket, which WOULD require a box stitch to hold it in place? That's how my Wings jacket is made.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:08 pm

i like the teeny tiny pockets primarily because those are the pockets on the TOD jacket....could be the french company jacket though.

indygear lists the size as 6"L x 5"W as stated above. noel howard quoted me that the pocket size on his screen jacket is 6"L x 5.5"W.

though not very functionally as peter's pocket design on the current jacket, i wanted to get screen accurate to TOD which is why i ordered them tiny....i figure i can fit my lighter or cell phone in there or something.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:14 pm

Michaelson wrote:Isn't the front strap usually attached through the seam rather than the outside of the jacket, which WOULD require a box stitch to hold it in place? That's how my Wings jacket is made.

Regards! Michaelson

Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it's just the way my monitor is adjusted, but I can see the front of the strap in the photo of the rear of the jacket that G-MANN posted, and I only see a one seam stitch, without even a box to put an X through.

Todd described the texture phenomenon that I am seeing perfectly when he said "pebble effect." Or like a cobble stone road. Something about that just turns me off, what can I say? It also doesn't seem like G-MANN's hands fit very well inside those pockets. What do you say, G? Can your hands fit comfortably inside the hand warmers, or is it a tight squeeze?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:21 pm

The pockets are 6.5" high and 6.25" wide (total size with flap). Perhaps some of you can get out a tape measure and check your pockets. The IndyGear main site lists the TOD pocket as 6"x5".

Well the TODD jacket pockets are even smaller than agent5 specs. I quote below:

10. Left Pocket- 1 inch (2.5cm) from storm flap.
2 inches (5.1cm) from bottom.
Width of pocket: 6.25 inches (16cm).
Length of pocket(including pocket flap) :7.5 inches. (19.1cm).
Scalloped pocket flap.
Pocket flap length in middle of flap, 2.75" (7cm)
Aluminum or nickel snap.

I just took a measuring tape and measured my standard Wested size 40R i.e. a Medium. The pocket which seems fairly accurate to me (and I have photos to prove it) is 8.25 x 6.5

Regarding the length of the sleeves, pardon me but I think that they are long. I hear about this ride up effect all the time but my 1 year old Wested which has sleeves full of wrinkles does not have this effect.

I am seriously interested in buying a jacket from TODD so I would like these things to be solved before I make my order and since the jackets will be off the rack.

Good to hear that you are looking for less pebbled leather Todd.

Let's not forget that your pockets here have the right size. Congrats for the pocket flaps by the way.

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:05 pm

I just measured the pockets on my jacket and they are 6 3/4 wide by 8 1/2 high. I was worried they would be too big and would look bad, but I think they look good in proportion to the jacket.

I should add that my jacket is a size 44R.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:28 pm

Proportion is what's important. A generic pocket size won't work for everyone, especially given the variances in height. This is the main reason I will only ever buy custom made jackets that have front cargo pockets.

Abner1925 · Post by **Abner1925** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:07 pm

Todd said above that this jacket is a medium and that he would scale pocket sizes up or down to match the jacket size. The measurements of a pocket for a medium size jacket would not and should not be the same as those on a large or x-large. So comparing them that way isn't really useful. Also, anyone comparing these pockets with standard Wested sizing would think they looked too small, as most Wested pockets are way too large.

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:30 pm

Abner1925 wrote:Todd said above that this jacket is a medium and that he would scale pocket sizes up or down to match the jacket size. The measurements of a pocket for a medium size jacket would not and should not be the same as those on a large or x-large. So comparing them that way isn't really useful. Also, anyone comparing these pockets with standard Wested sizing would think they looked too small, as most Wested pockets are way too large.

That's why I posted the size of my jacket in addition to the pocket measurements.

Abner1925 · Post by **Abner1925** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:42 pm

Sorry... I should have been clearer about that part. Is your jacket a Wested? If so, the comparison is no good either, since alsmot al have pockets that are too large. I have two of them, and two Expeditions... so I'm not being anti Wested with that comment. It's just a thing in their modern design that's usually out of whack. if you have a G&B though, the comparison would be very relevant, as their pocket sizes are far more proportional, and screen accurate. Again, sorry I didn't mention that in my earlier post.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:55 pm

Interesting discussion - I think we had the pocket discussion once before...

I took the pocket measurements from the shot at the entrance to the cave. There are 2 things that are easy scale reference in that photo:
1. The storm flap which is probably 1.5" wide
2. A MKVII bag on the same plane as the pocket.

The pocket on that jacket is nearly square. I took the photo into Photoshop, copied the pocket, turned it 90 degrees and superimposed it on top of the straight pocket. Almost a perfect square.

If anyone has compelling evidence, I'd like to see it. I'm not being sarcastic - I definitely am after screen accurate and I want to do it right.

By the way, thanks PLATON for alerting me to the pocket flap shape. I'm now a pocket flap perfectionist.

As to the side strap, I will post screen caps tomorrow showing the placement of the side strap. I haven't seen any other jacket maker do this screen accurately. The placement is about 1.5" from the pocket, smack on the side of the jacket. No X stitch. The Smithsonian jacket has the same attachment. That's why the pocket in the raiders jacket is nearly pulled inside-out with those weird stretch marks.

I'll also let you in on something I am struggling with (no, no! Nothing like that!). The placement of the side straps seems much higher on the Raiders jacket - at least six inches from the bottom. I think 5 inches is standard and it just looks too low to me. But to align it with the pocket, there are limits to how high it can go. Thoughts?

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:57 pm

Abner1925, that's a good point, I've seen some wested pockets that looked way too big, but I like the size of my pockets because I do use the side entry pockets and I think they look good in proportion to my jacket size.

What are the pockets like on your Expeditions?

Todd did you change the size of the pockets from the picture Platon posted and the jacket you made for G-MANN or are they the same?

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:07 pm

Todd did you change the size of the pockets from the picture Platon posted and the jacket you made for G-MANN or are they the same?

Yes, I did. I adjusted them to match the jacket in the cave scene as described above.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:35 pm

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:44 pm

X marks the spot?

I swear I see an X there.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:52 pm

Very interesting picture! If the side strap is 1" and the gun belt is 1.5", then the height of the pocket is about 6.5" to 6.75". It is hard to measure the pocket because it's at an angle to the camera. The best way is to measure down the center of the pocket (from the center of the top to the center of the bottom. It also shows the pocket to be very close to the bottom hem - maybe less than 1.5".