update:Well I got it... but its too small :(

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:13 pm

(please see bottom post)

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:20 pm

I don't believe the x box stitching will make it unreturnable. Did you just order the wrong size or did you specify something particularly short? It's usually mods like a smaller collar or non standard pockets. You will probably have to swallow the postage costs if it is your mistake.

Can we see some pics?

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:26 pm

well I said "if possible, can we make it a bit short? I'm worried about it being too long. thanks." or somethign to that degree, so maybe it is too short but I dont know it has the 38 badge at the top. Anyway why would they say 38 at the top if they asked for the specific measurements anyway?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:40 pm

mantis3214 wrote:well I said "if possible, can we make it a bit short? I'm worried about it being too long. thanks." or somethign to that degree, so maybe it is too short but I dont know it has the 38 badge at the top. Anyway why would they say 38 at the top if they asked for the specific measurements anyway?

What size did you ask for? The 38 is the nominal chest size only, there is no marking for length.

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:41 pm

INDY JACKET:
Height: 68 in (5\'8\")
Chest: 38 in
Sleeve: 24 in
Jacket_Size: 38 reg
Jacket style: Raiders Jacket
Leather: Dark Brown - Lambskin
Lining / Zip: Cotton Body-Satin Sleeves (rec)
Side Fastener: Anodised Black Rectangular Slider(buckle)
Jacket Quantity: 1

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:54 pm

Sounds right then, let's see some pics. You never know it might actually be the right fit.

You know some of us are ordering the jacket short just like we believe we see in Raiders, kind of right on or just below the belt line. This DOES look short compared to MODERN jackets and Wested are just doing as asked.

Usually they will take them back, often even if they have been misordered. They just end up on the rail in the shop, in the hope that eventually some one will come in and it will fit them. It's a risk for them and they are kind of taking it on the chin but in the interest of good customer care they do it. Be nice when you discuss it with them is my advice.

I got my jacket that way, so I'm not complaining! But looking at all the details on it, smaller pockets, no zipper facing, tapered sleeves, small size, it was specced to the nines OR it had been waiting there for me to turn uo for quite a while!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:09 pm

mantis3214 wrote:well I said "if possible, can we make it a bit short? I'm worried about it being too long. thanks." or somethign to that degree, so maybe it is too short but I dont know it has the 38 badge at the top. Anyway why would they say 38 at the top if they asked for the specific measurements anyway?

Ouch. With the jacket already being quite short compared to just about any other jacket I'd wager you've ever worn, this could have been the fatal error, if you feel that it's now ridiculously short.

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:47 pm

On closer inspection, things arent as bad. Yes I will need to have it changed, and I think I can because I measured the back length of the jacket and it seems to be about 24" which means per http://www.wested.com/frsizing.html it should be standard and thus exchangeable. I was checking shipping rates... they are really really high! Like 100 bucks from ups/fedex/dhl. I looked at parcelforce but they only did shipments departing from the uk. If it is 100 bucks each way then its not worth it.

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:49 pm

Rob wrote:
mantis3214 wrote:well I said "if possible, can we make it a bit short? I'm worried about it being too long. thanks." or somethign to that degree, so maybe it is too short but I dont know it has the 38 badge at the top. Anyway why would they say 38 at the top if they asked for the specific measurements anyway?
Ouch. With the jacket already being quite short compared to just about any other jacket I'd wager you've ever worn, this could have been the fatal error, if you feel that it's now ridiculously short.

see the previous post

Baggers · Post by **Baggers** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:24 pm

From the measurements you gave, it sounds like you're a standard 38 Regular. What's your waist size, about 32 inches? Unless you're a lot bigger than that, the jacket should actually be right.

Another thing to consider is where you normally wear your trousers. If you wear hip hugging pants, instead of the waist band being at your actual waist (about the level of your bellybutton, or around an inch or inch and a half above your hip bone), that could be causing an illusion of the jacket being too short. As others have stated, this jacket can look shorter than current styles. It only supposed to be hip length to begin with. The back of my jacket comes down to about the middle of my butt, and I consider that a good length.

If the sleeves are the right length -- hitting about the top knuckle of your thumb -- and it doesn't bind across the back of the shoulders, then otherwise the fit is good, in my opinion.

If you feel the jacket is still just too short, and Wested will make an exchange, then use the USPS's Global Priority Mail service. That should be much cheaper than FedEx or UPS. And also make sure you note on the Customs form that the jacket is being returned for exchange or Wested will be hit with Duty fees on their end. When they ship your replacement they'll note the same thing and you won't be charged any fees a second time -- assuming you were slapped with them the first time. U.S. Customs can be hit or miss.

Cheers!

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:14 pm

mantis, If you could post pics it would be great.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:59 am

mantis3214 wrote:
Rob wrote:
mantis3214 wrote:well I said "if possible, can we make it a bit short? I'm worried about it being too long. thanks." or somethign to that degree, so maybe it is too short but I dont know it has the 38 badge at the top. Anyway why would they say 38 at the top if they asked for the specific measurements anyway?
Ouch. With the jacket already being quite short compared to just about any other jacket I'd wager you've ever worn, this could have been the fatal error, if you feel that it's now ridiculously short.
see the previous post

As you made your post after mine, you didn't have to refer me "back" to it, you know

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:50 am

I was checking shipping rates... they are really really high! Like 100 bucks from ups/fedex/dhl. I looked at parcelforce but they only did shipments departing from the uk. If it is 100 bucks each way then its not worth it.

You live in the U.S. right?

If you do, you can send the jacket back to Wested via EXPRESS MAIL
from the United States Post office.

If you do it that way, you will fill out all the correct customs declaration
documents, put a value on the package, add insurance, and it should cost
you no more than about 40 dollars.

Wested's shipping back to you will cost you another 40 dollars or so,
as they will charge you shipping on the exchanged jacket, because it
was your fault for the sizing mistake, not theirs. So they will not ship
it back for free.

By shipping it this way, you are covered for the cost of the jacket in
case something happens to it, it will get to England in less than a week,
and you will have all the proper documents for any customs issues.

DO NOT send it using the methods you suggested before. You are much
safer, and much cheaper going thru the post office.

Flathead

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:05 am

Ok guys, a few updates:
I emailed Gemma and it is a standard size so I can exchange it no problem. I will have to **** it up and pay the costs of shipping

but if it means I'll get the right jacket for me I'm all for it.

Now, I have been reading some posts in this forum and am having problems (again!) choosing the replacement. I know I want it a tad longer, so getting a TOD size should add the length. I know I would prefer the right-handed zipper as while the universal was fine, it would simply be more conveient to have it for me being a righty.

The chest size may be an issue. Last time I put it on I could feel it tighten if I raised my arms or crossed them, i was not normal tightening. So, although I measure a 38 maybe a 40 is a better choice? I am 19, but if I worked out I most probably could fill out the 40.

I will try to get some pics together for your viewing pleasure

soon, maybe you can tell me a bit more abou the fit. To be honest, after re-reading the threads and seeing others, I think the height is spot-on for those wanting it short. I think it looks a little too small on me, so we'll just see.

Thanks guys. Oh and apologies to Rob for being lazy with the reply

, Baggers for the shipping tip (got it to about $38.00, much better!), and of course the rest of you for helping me deal with this little problem. I really cannot wait to wear this thing everywhere and make it my own jacket.

Rusty Jones · Post by **Rusty Jones** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:20 am

I've love to see some pics, my raider's wested turned out to be a screen acurate length for me, however it posed a bit of an issue with the holster which was not scaled to a 5'9" guy's size ;c) if your consdiering a holster or think you may be sitting down in the jacket a lot for some reason, then you may wanna work with a slightly longer jacket to see if you really like before replacing your Wested... just a tip because I'd hate for you to be dissapointed if your my size and you wanted the jacket to fit more conviently with a holster... pics will help a lot though :c)

mantis3214 · Post by **mantis3214** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:13 am

Pics are not to be, I didnt get to take them this afternoon and the jacket is being shipped asap tomorrow. I dont think pics are needed. I do have a problem:

What is the best way to get the desired length?

I received a 38 regular that was too short and too small. I plan to get a 40 of some type, so to compare we have:

38reg 40reg 40 long 40reg TOD
24" 24.5" 26" 25.5"

Now, if I did the math right and assuming TOD only means that they add an inch, I think the TOD length will work. Any suggestions for this? The 40 long adds an extra inch to the sleeve length, in addition to an inch and a half jacket length. Suggestions? ideas? Is TOD exactly the same as raiders but with an extra 1"? Thx.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:27 am

Now, if I did the math right and assuming TOD only means that they add an inch, I think the TOD length will work. Any suggestions for this? The 40 long adds an extra inch to the sleeve length, in addition to an inch and a half jacket length.

Take a jacket that you already own, that you like the way it fits you,
and look in the mirror at how the sleeve length looks on you, and how
the back length looks on you. Note how the chest fits, and whether or
not the jacket if comfortable across the chest when you move.

Take the jacket off, zip it up, and lay it flat on your bed.

Then, take a tape measure, and measure the jacket across the chest,
from armpit to armpit, and double that number. That will give you the
total chest measurement for the jacket.

Wested adds 4 inches of movement room to their jackets, so a size
38 Wested will measure 42 inches at the chest, a size 40 will measure
44 inches at the chest, and a size 42 Wested will measure 46 inches at
the chest.

Use that info to find the best fit for you.

Then, flip the jacket over, still zipped up, and measure the back length
from the base of the collar (where the collar meets the back panel of
the jacket) down to the very bottom. This is the jackets back length.

Compare these measurements to the different Westeds you mentioned.

If you like the length of the jacket you already own, get your Wested
with that back length. If you think you would like your Wested to be
a little longer than the jacket you already own, then add an inch or so
to your Wested as needed.

If you use a jacket that you already own, and that you like the way
it fits you, use those measurements as your base for your new Wested. Don't try
to guess what you want.

As for sleeve length, do the same thing with the jacket you already own.
Measure the sleeves from the shoulder seam, down to the end of the
cuffs. This is the sleeve length of the jacket. Compare that to what
Wested offers.

Remember, you can alter any of the Wested's jacket dimensions in order
to get the correct fit for you, and you alone! Don't go by what Wested
has on the website as hard, solid numbers. They can be changed in order
to fit you properly, and are shown only for reference as to what Wested
offers in their "standard" sizing.

Flathead

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:39 pm

Had a similair problem. I fit in a 40" chest jacket, but the seam across the shoulders was too tight, so I'm actually a 42" for the correct fit

As for back length, if you want a TOD length jacket, get someone to measure you wearing a formal shirt & jeans. Measure from the bottom collar seam down your back, to the tops of your rear jeans' pockets. This will give you the length of jacket your looking for (& what I'm wearing

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