Wings Temple of Doom jacket--now in production

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:15 pm

Kt Templar wrote:
RCSignals wrote:That prototype would be considered a wings Medium or Large?

What does it measure across the chest side to side on the flat?
XS.

I know wings come 'Big cut' but XS for that?

Indy_Mic · Post by **Indy_Mic** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:20 pm

the jacket does not come in long sizes though.the back length on this jacket here is 26'' with 25'' sleeves

Why am I humming Randy Newman all of a sudden?

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:03 pm

You know, I really dig it! If they do not change a thing from this prototype, I'll buy one ! The three things that always bothered me about US wings jackets are the collar/stormflam connection, the ultra baggy upper arm, and the back panel gaps. This Jacket fixes those things... I don't care if it is a copy of the NH jacket - It looks great!

Crismans, could you put this jacket on and post some pics? I'd am interested in where the shoulder seam sits on your shoulder.

One other thing, will they do it in goat or is lamb or nothing?

Thanks Crismans and Holt!

C3

Post by **Holt** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:10 pm

thanks.

the jacket will be made in Lamb.

once and for all people..the answer is Lamb!

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:26 pm

So, anywho... Does the shoulder seam sit on shoulder toward the back in the correct manner or not?!?!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:08 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:
RCSignals wrote:That prototype would be considered a wings Medium or Large?

What does it measure across the chest side to side on the flat?
XS.
I know wings come 'Big cut' but XS for that?

Kt and I had the same issue here! Though the higher end and US made US Wings don't necessarily have this problem, one of the things we discovered with the clearance sale jackets a couple years ago is that the sizing was all over the map. This may have been because they were imports, or because they were older stock (mine has an Averex label in it) but it took me a couple tries to get a jacket that wasn't absolutely huge on me. I generaly wear a 38-40 jacket and started in a medium which was like a tent, traded for a small which was more like a large on my book, and traded one last time for an extra-small. The G-2 I'm wearing is an XS and it could still stand to be just a bit smaller!

I like US Wings jackets, but the only qualm I had with my experience was the sizing. Again, this was on the clearance jackets and I cannot say if this is true of any of their current makes, but that's why I recommend having them physically measure a jacket on hand, and if the measurements line up to yours, ask for that specific jacket.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:14 pm

That's kind of why i was asking how this prototype might be labeled for size. As described so far it might be right for me.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:41 pm

coronado3 wrote:
Crismans, could you put this jacket on and post some pics? I'd am interested in where the shoulder seam sits on your shoulder.

C3

I don't think it would show you much if I put it on.

This is a slim fitting 44 and I normally wear a 50. So I can get it on but I can't zip it and can't cross my arms.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:40 am

How about if you put it on a heavily padded hanger?

jacksdad · Post by **jacksdad** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:30 am

I really like this jacket and I have a Indy goat so I'm going to try to get this one, any chance the prototype will be for sale I like the way it looks.
Holt and Crismans good job and thank you.

Andymac84 · Post by **Andymac84** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:26 am

What would be the price on this beauty??
Can u order a specific number (from the limited run) or does it come without a specific line of nr.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:34 am

I believe someone earlier said $300, and as far as numbers, I don't think they're actually numbered on the jacket, but I could be wrong

Andymac84 · Post by **Andymac84** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:48 am

I think 300 would be ok..

Andymac84 · Post by **Andymac84** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:02 am

Crismans or Eric, for ordering one of that Jackets...: Do we have to order them directly over the Wings-site or are u guys opening a thread with an interest list??

I guess if that's a limited run of only 100 jackets it wouldn't be come up on the Wings-site... But I really don't know,so...please clear this point out for me.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:28 am

I think it's still in the prototype stage. I'm sure they'll announce before it goes in production

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:29 am

Let's see:

I'll post some pics with it on the old mannequin later this evening.

As for the numbering, I'm not sure what Wings plan is. I was thinking (although this is just my impression and I could be wrong here) that there might be numbering on the tags and the jackets will be sent out in number that they are ordered. Again, this was just my impression. Wings may have something entirely different in mind.

I also don't know what the plan for ordering is right now. I'm sure Sgt. Hack will let us know the method for ordering once production starts.

Boy, I'm a lot of help.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:40 am

Holt , please check measurement pit to pit again ........shouldn't a size 44 be larger than the stated 20 in..ie 44 plus 2-4 in for movement should measure 23-24 in ??,...thanks

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:52 am

Hatch wrote:Holt , please check measurement pit to pit again ........shouldn't a size 44 be larger than the stated 20 in..ie 44 plus 2-4 in for movement should measure 23-24 in ??,...thanks

well, he did say it is a slim fit ;-)

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:16 pm

I'll recheck the measurements again when I can get to the jacket. The jacket reads Large on the label, which, according to the Wings' sizing chart, is a 42-44. This is a more tapered jacket (as we all wanted) so when it comes time for ordering, I'd call and discuss sizing with Wings. They'd be able to make sure you got the right jacket.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:37 pm

Holt/crisman,

I forgot to ask, but did you have them leave out the inside facings on the zipper? Just wondering...

I am looking forward to the mannequin shots to see how it lays across the shoulders.

I really think that although the collar doesn't meet the stand/flap in the middle that it really does look very good as is.

If the shoulder is pretty close to correct, I am in!

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:57 pm

Looks great to me guys! I definitely want one of those. Good work!

Weston

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:10 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I darken the jacket abit.

see how it allready now gets a more TofD look.

now only fixing the collar and zipper.it is actually a pretty good SA jacket.

Much better

Nibs

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:22 pm

I think leather on the antique lamb G-2 posted earlier looks like a very nice match for this upcoming ToD. It looks very close to what you see onscreen; it just needs some distressing.

As for numbering, the easiest way to do it is adding a holographic tag/sticker to the jacket (maybe a tag on the zipper?) and then a matching sticker with limited edition number to the invoice. The tag could then be easily removed and kept.

Did US Wings do anything special with the Indy L.E.'s? I am the second owner of mine so I don't know if there was anything special included but the Indy spec sheet and advertising.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:02 pm

I think Browncoat is right on track

Nibs

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:58 pm

Okay, a little more info. Wings got back to me on the changes. They can't change the storm flap attachment but they are switching the zipper to the correct side so that will be more SA. There are no leather facings. I remeasured (and more slowly this time--I've got to slow down on the measuring as I forget that this is a very, very important point ;-) ) and it's close to 22.5 inches across the chest.

Here are a few mannequin shots. I'm new to trying to get these things looking right so take them with a grain of salt. I took a front, back, and shoulder detail shot for Coronado3.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q421 ... 180102.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q421 ... 180101.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q421 ... 180100.jpg

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:23 pm

Looks good. It will be nice in Lamb.

Too bad they won't change the collar, but it's still a very nice jacket

Post by **Holt** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:36 pm

WOW.

that gives the jacket a whole new look.

I love the front look.

now if you dont see this as a very SA jacket then I dont know..looking forward to the lambskin

still it has a few details that are missing,but so what....(yeah right you might think.looks who talking ;-) )

give us anbother back shot without the bag and strap.it bunches the back up...I want to see the backpanel flattend out

Post by **Holt** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:49 pm

And Im so glad they did the pocket flaps like I allways seen them.

I also darkend the jacket up with photoshop.this gives a more SA look and this is how it will more and less look when its made in lambskin......so dont be fooled by this pic.... ;-)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... jacket.jpg

I think us wings did a great job on it!!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:53 pm

the winning factor in this jacket is the cut imo. its a leaner cut to us wings' standard offering. something that i've always looked for from that company.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:53 pm

Here's the back without the bag. And let me add that those pants are made to fit my rotund figure, not my anorexic mannequin's so they're riding quite low on the figure. Don't let that fool you as to the back length.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q421 ... 180104.jpg

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:55 pm

crismans wrote:........... and it's close to 22.5 inches across the chest.

..........

Same as my Wested Tod. So this is actually a 40 not a 44?

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:48 am

They really did a bang-up job on that jacket. If I didn't dislike the smaller ToD pockets, I would really have jump on it. After I bought it, of course. However, on my body, those would look like cell phone pockets!!

Anyhow, it may not be perfectly SA, but what the heck really is, when you get down to it?

Bravo, Sgt. Hack (and crew), and Holt and Crismans, naturally.

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:10 am

The back may not be screen accurate but look at how all those seams line up! US Wings does not slack off in its construction of a jacket...even on a prototype.

I think a basic rule of thumb for a chest measurement on a jacket is add two inches to the size then divide in half. 44 + 2 = 46 divided by 2 is 23 inch. At 22.5 it would be a slimfit 44.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:07 pm

Are the front pockets really that narrow in ToD? not counting the flap, it's only 5.5" across.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:33 pm

yes, they are the smallest pockets out of the 4 films

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t ... &start=100

Nibs

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:43 pm

knibs7 wrote:yes, they are the smallest pockets out of the 4 films

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t ... &start=100

Nibs

I assumed they must be the smallest, I just didn't realize they were that narrow in proportion to the length, which is pretty much the same as raiders. I was thinking the pocket should maybe be more flush with the pocket flap, which would make it 5.75", but I'm no expert, I'm just eyeballing it and wondering.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:33 pm

Browncoat wrote:The back may not be screen accurate but look at how all those seams line up! US Wings does not slack off in its construction of a jacket...even on a prototype.

I think a basic rule of thumb for a chest measurement on a jacket is add two inches to the size then divide in half. 44 + 2 = 46 divided by 2 is 23 inch. At 22.5 it would be a slimfit 44.

If it is indeed a size large (42-44) then at 22.5 inches pit to pit, that
means the overall chest measurement is 45 inches.

If a person with a real 44 inch chest buys this jacket, then its going to
be REALLY tight on you with only 1 inch of movement room.

Unless you like to look like a stuffed sausage, then you will want to go
up a size for sure.

Just adding a thin tee-shirt on your body will add easily a half inch or
more to your overall chest measurement.

A military fit, by design, is 4 inches of movement room over tagged size.
A modern fit, which is what most everyone is used to, is 6 inches over
tagged size.

At 4 inches, most people find a standard military fit uncomfortable compared to what they are used to.

And when you add in the fact that this is a leather jacket, that does NOT give, or
stretch like a cloth jacket does, you will not like the way it fits when you
move around, put your arms out in front of you, or reach behind you.

Just be aware of this BEFORE you order a jacket that will only give you
one inch of room to move around in.

Flathead

Post by **Holt** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:38 pm

I know..

on my order sheet I had 23.5'' or 24'' pit to pit..(cant remember which) I think it was the 24''

I dont know what happend?...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:13 pm

bigrex wrote:Are the front pockets really that narrow in ToD? not counting the flap, it's only 5.5" across.

They are even shorter on the Wested NH jacket reproduction. See my post earlier.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:22 pm

knibs7 wrote:yes, they are the smallest pockets out of the 4 films

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t ... &start=100

Nibs

Unfortunately none of the photos that were on AOL are available anymore. AOL closed down the 'hometown' part of their service.

http://www.peopleconnectionblog.com/200 ... n-shutdown

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:24 pm

I guess the best way to determine whether or now the average joe will need to order a size up would be for Crismans to have someone he knows who does wear a 42-44 try on the prototype and see how they feel about the fit.

From my past experiences at these measurements, I know if I ordered this jacket I would have to go up a size, unless there is some give in the antique lamb.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:25 pm

RCSignals wrote:
bigrex wrote:Are the front pockets really that narrow in ToD? not counting the flap, it's only 5.5" across.
They are even shorter on the Wested NH jacket reproduction. See my post earlier.

I don't know, the dimensions (length/width ratio) on the wested looks much better to me:

The Wings looks way too long for it's width:

Sorry if I sound combative tonight, it's just that I would like to purchase one of these since I know it will be very well made, I don't really expect them to change anything more but I think a forum is for voicing one's opinion irregardless.

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:00 pm

Competition is great and it's nice when you have choices, however I just can't make up my mind which jacket to go after... this, Indy Magnoli, Wested.... It's all sooooo confusing.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:04 pm

Imahomer wrote:Competition is great and it's nice when you have choices, however I just can't make up my mind which jacket to go after... this, Indy Magnoli, Wested.... It's all sooooo confusing.

You can lessen your difficulty in deciding which movie you want your jacket to come from. They are all different.

MacGyver · Post by **MacGyver** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:54 pm

Sorry, this Wings ToD looks like a PoS. Why bother when you can have a Wested made from the original? Just my 2 cents. Wested beat them to it with a better replica. Who would know better how to make a proper Indy jacket? My vote: Wested.

Mac

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:28 pm

Since Wested had the NH jacket, their pocket specs should be dead on, but I don't think we're too far off. Here's a shot of the NH jacket:

To me, it looks like the pockets fall between the two interpretations, but I've become well-versed in the last few days how photographs can distort things.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:33 pm

crismans wrote:S

To me, it looks like the pockets fall between the two interpretations, but I've become well-versed in the last few days how photographs can distort things.

Looking at that photo I have to agree it looks like that jacket lies somewhere in between the two...back to the drawing board (I'm attempting to inject a bit of humor).

Actually, that photo makes it look like the pockets are roughly the same ratio as the normal raiders (approx 7.25 x6.25") pocket, maybe it's a smaller pocket, but the length to width ratio looks the same as a regular jacket, not extra slim like the Wings or extra short like the Wested.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:40 pm

MacGyver wrote:Sorry, this Wings ToD looks like a PoS. Why bother when you can have a Wested made from the original? Just my 2 cents. Wested beat them to it with a better replica. Who would know better how to make a proper Indy jacket? My vote: Wested.

Mac

Some will never be happy with anything but a Wested. At least it's a brand worthy of loyalty (for the reasons you stated and more). But I think you're being a little harsh. Don't forget, the hide of the prototype is cowhide. I think this jacket will look much more accurate in the right leather and some aging. The Wested would almost HAVE to be a closer replica, given the facts. But lets not forget that Wings makes quality products, too. And considering they didn't have the NH jacket, "PoS" seems to be a severe overstatement.

And lets not forget, for every perfect Wested, there's one that missed the mark. And plenty in between. All's fair in love and leather!

Post by **Holt** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:20 am

MacGyver wrote:Sorry, this Wings ToD looks like a PoS. Why bother when you can have a Wested made from the original? Just my 2 cents. Wested beat them to it with a better replica. Who would know better how to make a proper Indy jacket? My vote: Wested.

Mac

thanks for your support.

this jacket project was not to be another replica of the tofd from a random vendor.this project was given to us by sgt.Hack,because he loves all Indy fans and wanted to give the fans a ''SA'' jacket from THE original maker.this is how close we got without redoing a whole pattern.us wings doesnt have Indy jackets as their bread and butter like some others do.if you ask me this offer here is one of the most rarest jacket offers in us wings history,because they dont do custom made jackets. I for one will be very happy to have a jacket from the original maker.

but dont get me wrong,I will get a wested TofD too..of course,it will be fun to have a jacket taken of the original jacket made back then by cooper/us wings ;-)

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:17 am

Thanks for the pix crisman!

They got it right!!! I will definitly buy one of these... I only wish I could get it in goat, but oh well...

Crisman, I am a 42 so if you want to send it to me, I'll wear it and take some pix! (sounds like I am only kidding?)

Also, I think the pocket proportions are right, it is just that the flap on the original is bigger than on the prototype. I would have them do an even 6" X 7" to balance size vs. practicality.