albert jones wrote:HELP I NEED HELP..........
I have already a pair of trousers from the wested leather size 34, should I order the same size by todds? or a diferent size. what can I do it?
thanks
I have Wested size 36, I also ordered Todds size 36. No problems in difference.
So yes I would order same size.
I'm with nicktheguy here....
Will there be some longer sizes next time?
Will there be a next time?
I have wested, Magnoli's, Noel Howard trousers.
Those Coyles really look sweet though.
Longer lengths... yeah, probably some, but really, I'm having a hard time picturing someone with a 32 x 34 inseam. That would be like wearing 30x34 dockers. Do they even make that size? Are you sure you measured yourself?
I'll see how the factory feels about making, like, 2 pairs of 32x34's. I'm not being smart, I'm just saying that really, you're probably the only guy who wants them.
When you figure 15 sizes (30 - 44) x 7 lengths (30 - 36) that's 105 sizes. Considering that there are probably 10 that are popular, I'll be left with a lot of pants. If I were Levi's, I would know to a decimal point how many pants of each size I'll sell. But I don't know this, so I went with the most mainstream sizes in the hopes that I won't have too much waste.
Gotta get me a pair of these just a couple of fit questions for the lucky ones who've recieved theres..
Does the leg measurement run from the crotch seam down the inseam to the inside of the ankle?
How does the waistband to crotch measurement compare with Wested's pants, can any one give me the waistband to crotch seam measurement front and seat for 35" or 36"?
Thanks Todd. Yes, I buy 32 waist suit pants, khakis or jeans. My bad luck that I'm not just regular sized guy. I will have to go with Magnoli custom made pants.
I understand that you prefer having the factory make the most popular sizes. I appreciate what you are doing for Indy gear world
Cheers
One of the best pair of pants I've ever owned. Not just because they are Indy pants, but they fit like a glove and have a great retro style (which I am really into).
I measured the waist of several of my pants and got a happy medium. I normally wear a 36x32 but "actual" was 38 (19 inches folded flat). So I ordered the 38x32 and they fit PERFECTLY. I think the golden rule would be to order two sizes up from what you normally wear in the waist.
Great length (I was worried they may be too long) great drape, great fabric, great color...all around a very, very nice pair of slacks for every day wear.
Todd really put a lot of work into these. They are not just "costuming" slacks, but something you would probably find at a nice clothing store. All the classic details are there. Heck, there is even a rubber strip around the waist to help hold your shirt (something I haven't seen since my Army days and Class A slacks). Keep in mind, they are made and tailored just like slacks from the 30's and 40's so they have a high waist and are very drapey (some would say "baggy" today).
Yeah, if you put a crease in them you'd have a nice pair of dress pants.
The rubber gripper strip ("snug-tex") is retro, but it's there because it was in the original trousers. I suspect that the strip is standard wardrobe department fare.
Puppetboy wrote:Longer lengths... yeah, probably some, but really, I'm having a hard time picturing someone with a 32 x 34 inseam. That would be like wearing 30x34 dockers. Do they even make that size? Are you sure you measured yourself?
I'll see how the factory feels about making, like, 2 pairs of 32x34's. I'm not being smart, I'm just saying that really, you're probably the only guy who wants them.
When you figure 15 sizes (30 - 44) x 7 lengths (30 - 36) that's 105 sizes. Considering that there are probably 10 that are popular, I'll be left with a lot of pants. If I were Levi's, I would know to a decimal point how many pants of each size I'll sell. But I don't know this, so I went with the most mainstream sizes in the hopes that I won't have too much waste.
-Todd
Right, well, what do you do when you're 44 or 46 waist and a 35 or 36 leg? I can't help that I'm the same size as Pat Roach. As for pants in stores...well let me tell you, you can't find sizes like that in stores. Wal-Mart, The Casual Male, those stores sell clothes for either the very portly and short, or the very tall and thin. Like 56 by 28 and 28 by 36. Target doesn't carry large sizes, and Sears gave up on that racket a long time ago.
I've been thinking about making my own pants because of this reason. Guess I'll start searching for the right color fabric.
Puppetboy wrote:Longer lengths... yeah, probably some, but really, I'm having a hard time picturing someone with a 32 x 34 inseam. That would be like wearing 30x34 dockers. Do they even make that size?
-Todd
I was curious myself. When I googled the "most common size mens pants size" this site came up.
Men's Pants: Sizing & Cuts
Men's pants are almost always sized only in inches, by waist and inseam measurements. The waist measurement should always be listed first. For example, if a men’s pair of pants or jeans is listed as 32 x 34", the waist measurement is 32" while the inseam measurement is 34". http://www.sierratradingpost.com/lp2/pa ... guide.html
Sorry to hear about your trousers.
However, they seem to have shrunk down to my exact size. Let me know if they are still available.
PM sent.
Sorry kwad but indydude18 beat 6 other guys before you. I couldn't believe how many were interested in them.
No problemo. I'm always late to the party.
It's really nice of you to pass them on like that. I hope id18 enjoys them.
As I replied to id18, who said the same thing, with them getting sooo shrunk it's hard to tell how they might fit someone. 4" in length is a huge amount. 1"+or so in the waist not so bad. They may fit weird elsewhere because of it. Also the fabric is frilled/fuzzed up, not sure what to call it. My wife saw that and was instantly aware something was wrong. She's suprised anyone wanted them, but we Indy guys are a frugal lot. They may not fit baggy like a 30s pants is suppose to and how these were designed. I just hope they fit him. There's a lot more to it then just waist and inseam size. If not, I asked him to pass them on to the next guy with the same consideration. At least he can get them wet and not worry about shrinkage.
Yeah, if you put a crease in them you'd have a nice pair of dress pants.
The rubber gripper strip ("snug-tex") is retro, but it's there because it was in the original trousers. I suspect that the strip is standard wardrobe department fare.
-Todd
I have a couple of Italian suit I picked up last a year or two ago. They are the classic double breasted style and came with the rubber grippers. that is a nice touch.
I just received my "replacement" pair of 39x33 pants. One thing that needs fixing is the large belt loops. They are not only far wider then a 1-1/4" web belt but they are very big around and stick out from the pants. I'll have mine tailored to fit my belt when I take my other 38x33 in to have the waist let out.
Puppetboy wrote:Longer lengths... yeah, probably some, but really, I'm having a hard time picturing someone with a 32 x 34 inseam. That would be like wearing 30x34 dockers. Do they even make that size? Are you sure you measured yourself?
I'll see how the factory feels about making, like, 2 pairs of 32x34's. I'm not being smart, I'm just saying that really, you're probably the only guy who wants them.
When you figure 15 sizes (30 - 44) x 7 lengths (30 - 36) that's 105 sizes. Considering that there are probably 10 that are popular, I'll be left with a lot of pants. If I were Levi's, I would know to a decimal point how many pants of each size I'll sell. But I don't know this, so I went with the most mainstream sizes in the hopes that I won't have too much waste.
-Todd
I actually wear 30x34 dockers, but could probably get away with a 33" inseam. I will buy a tape measure today and measure some of my pants. Hopefully your 32x32 will fit me.
Mine came yesterday and they are perfect!
Better than I could have hoped - in almost every way.
The cut and drape is spot on. The fabric is exceptional both in comfort and color!
Every turn I made in the pants seem to remind me of a different scene from Raiders or one of the production stills.
Todd has knocked these out of the park!
Again, the only hiccup seems to be the belt loops which I'll have fixed.
I agree with darkhelmet about the rule of thumb for sizing these pants - order about two sizes up from your off the rack size. However, I offer one caveat....
I wear a 34 off the rack and it's a little loose. When I measured my actual waist I was coming up with about 37 inches.
However, when I measured my highest waisted pants flat across the waist (a pair of JCrew slacks) I got something just shy of 18 inches. I tried this on several other pairs of jeans and shorts and found all the pants that fit me best all ran just under 18 inches.
This put my waist size at 36so that's what I ordered and they fit great! No, better than great - perfect.
So, my advice is measure your pants before your actual waist.
For the inseam, because I read these pants ran long (and they do), I opted for a 33 inseam instead of the 34 I usually take.
It was he right choice - and i still may have them hemmed a bit. (I'll post some pics here and get everyone's opinion).
I wonder if you guys looking for longer inseams won't be pleasantly surprised by how much distance a 34 inseam on these pants will cover.
Here's hoping at least.
These pants are SO good. At this price point I recommend you get a pair before they're gone.
Bartram wrote:Mine came yesterday and they are perfect!
Better than I could have hoped - in almost every way.
The cut and drape is spot on. The fabric is exceptional both in comfort and color!
Every turn I made in the pants seem to remind me of a different scene from Raiders or one of the production stills.
Todd has knocked these out of the park!
Again, the only hiccup seems to be the belt loops which I'll have fixed.
I agree with darkhelmet about the rule of thumb for sizing these pants - order about two sizes up from your off the rack size. However, I offer one caveat....
I wear a 34 off the rack and it's a little loose. When I measured my actual waist I was coming up with about 37 inches.
However, when I measured my highest waisted pants flat across the waist (a pair of JCrew slacks) I got something just shy of 18 inches. I tried this on several other pairs of jeans and shorts and found all the pants that fit me best all ran just under 18 inches.
This put my waist size at 36so that's what I ordered and they fit great! No, better than great - perfect.
So, my advice is measure your pants before your actual waist.
For the inseam, because I read these pants ran long (and they do), I opted for a 33 inseam instead of the 34 I usually take.
It was he right choice - and i still may have them hemmed a bit. (I'll post some pics here and get everyone's opinion).
I wonder if you guys looking for longer inseams won't be pleasantly surprised by how much distance a 34 inseam on these pants will cover.
Here's hoping at least.
These pants are SO good. At this price point I recommend you get a pair before they're gone.
Thanks Todd!!
B
The running a little long sounds great. The 32" inseam may work for me. I had better order tonight before they are out of stock.
Just out of curiosity, I measured the inseam of a few pairs of pants I own that fit me well.
Although the tag read 30", the actual measurements fell between 27" to 29".
None of them actually measured 30", as stated on the tag.
If Todd is providing the actual length of the seam, that may be something to consider if ordering a pair.
Also, remember that an increase in waist size usually also increases the size of the rise, thus increasing the inseam start position. I know because I've bought a pair of 30x32 pants and a pair of 31x32 in the same pant and the 31x32 is longer because of the longer rise. They both measure 32 inseam exactly as well.
kwad wrote:Just out of curiosity, I measured the inseam of a few pairs of pants I own that fit me well.
Although the tag read 30", the actual measurements fell between 27" to 29".
None of them actually measured 30", as stated on the tag.
If Todd is providing the actual length of the seam, that may be something to consider if ordering a pair.
I wear a 32 inseam on my off the shelf pants and that is what I ordered from Todd and they fit perfectly. All I measured was my waist and ordered two sizes larger than what I normally wear.
Just tried on my pair, saddley there a tad tight, but just a tad. But the lenghts a good 1.5" longer than my Wested.
I ordered a 34x30, but since they didn't have any thing shorter and I usally take an inseam of 30, thought I'd be good.
So I'll give a sell in the bazzar, and if no takers, off to the tailors.
I measured my pants and like people said above it looks like the regular brands are trying to make us feel taller as well as skinnier. My 30x34's really measure 32x32. I guess it is time to place my order.
It looks like I may have gotten the last pair in my size. I hope the stock information is right. Now I just need a Todd's whip and a new hat and I have a very upgraded set of gear.
JC1972 wrote:Perhaps for jeans, but again these are not jeans. Or perhaps they were sold out.
I use the same size in chinos, cargo pants, suit trousers, etc. But it's normally also a tad difficult finding either in my size.
I'll keep my eye out for a pair at the webshop. Perhaps a few pairs can be made in that size next time he has a new batch made.
This is probably a slightly stupid question, and a repeat of previous questions, but can anyone measure inseam and let me know if they run true to size? And also tell me exactly how high they are supposed to sit (hips/navel/where). From what I have read here and on the website, it sounds like they run true to size (34 being 34" at the top for example), and also that they are suppose to sit right below the navel? But since I'm in the EU, I'd like to order the exact size the first time. Otherwise it could end up being quite expensive
JC1972 wrote:Perhaps for jeans, but again these are not jeans. Or perhaps they were sold out.
I use the same size in chinos, cargo pants, suit trousers, etc. But it's normally also a tad difficult finding either in my size.
I'll keep my eye out for a pair at the webshop. Perhaps a few pairs can be made in that size next time he has a new batch made.
This is probably a slightly stupid question, and a repeat of previous questions, but can anyone measure inseam and let me know if they run true to size? And also tell me exactly how high they are supposed to sit (hips/navel/where). From what I have read here and on the website, it sounds like they run true to size (34 being 34" at the top for example), and also that they are suppose to sit right below the navel? But since I'm in the EU, I'd like to order the exact size the first time. Otherwise it could end up being quite expensive
I've measured 3 different pairs of Todd's pants and they all run true to size in both measurements. I wear 38x32 Levis and the Todd's that fit me best are 39x33. My waist is 39 and the extra length is perfect for the CS look. I measure my Levis that have had many washes and the inseam was 31" and they aren't long on me, they sit on the top of my foot with no break. I've posted pics earlier in this thread of both sizes on me.
Your best bet is to measure your actual waist and then a pair of slacks that fit you like you need. If you don't have a pair of slacks you could take a soft measuring tape into a store and try on some slacks and then measure the ACTUAL lengths of both waist and inseam to get what you need.
Sorry to hear about your trousers.
However, they seem to have shrunk down to my exact size. Let me know if they are still available.
PM sent.
Sorry kwad but indydude18 beat 6 other guys before you. I couldn't believe how many were interested in them.
No problemo. I'm always late to the party.
It's really nice of you to pass them on like that. I hope id18 enjoys them.
As I replied to id18, who said the same thing, with them getting sooo shrunk it's hard to tell how they might fit someone. 4" in length is a huge amount. 1"+or so in the waist not so bad. They may fit weird elsewhere because of it. Also the fabric is frilled/fuzzed up, not sure what to call it. My wife saw that and was instantly aware something was wrong. She's suprised anyone wanted them, but we Indy guys are a frugal lot. They may not fit baggy like a 30s pants is suppose to and how these were designed. I just hope they fit him. There's a lot more to it then just waist and inseam size. If not, I asked him to pass them on to the next guy with the same consideration. At least he can get them wet and not worry about shrinkage.
Thank you for the reply. I think I got a pretty good idea of how they fit now. I'm probably in the need for a pair in 34x34 or even 34x35 then...Being 6'4 and athletic of build does sometime present problems in finding clothes that fit well. Especially if it's more uncommon items.
I'll start the petition with Todd
Hopefully mine will fit, so this will not apply to me, but I just had an idea.
Rather than make a few long pants for the circus freaks (like me) out there with abnormally long legs for our waist size or height, you could offer some that are not hemmed so people can get them hemmed themselves in addition to your regular sizes.
I sure have I purchase bespoke clothes from time to time, and therefore got my exact measurements at hand.
That was also why I asked whether they sat around the hips at right below the navel. At the hips I'm 36", and my waist is 34". Which is kinda annoying as it make the fit of a pair of trousers dependent on where they sit.
I agree, however there are some points to consider. It may be easier for him to have all of the pants made unhemmed than just a few. For those of you that have the pants thank your lucky stars that the manufacturing plant understood what the hem was and actually did it correctly. I would think that Todd would only be able to do this if it brought down the cost of manufacturing.
Remember, Todd in all his glory, is still just a guy working out of his house. It's easy to go to his site and think that he's well stocked in everything, but besides this forum there is at least 2 other Indy forums that I know of, not to mention the people that don't belong to forums that just like having stuff and he has the best prices. I personally have no idea the amount of work it must take to get in touch with a manufacturing facility in China or whereever his stuff is made, send prototypes, get feedback, price quotes, drayage, quality control, etc...then hope that you sell enough to turn a profit so you can have more made and keep the cycle going. It's too bad that he can't pull a fast one on a store like say Marshall's and have a boatload of these pants made for them, then keep some off to the side for those of us that want to buy direct.
Indiana Joyce wrote:I agree, however there are some points to consider. It may be easier for him to have all of the pants made unhemmed than just a few. For those of you that have the pants thank your lucky stars that the manufacturing plant understood what the hem was and actually did it correctly. I would think that Todd would only be able to do this if it brought down the cost of manufacturing.
Remember, Todd in all his glory, is still just a guy working out of his house. It's easy to go to his site and think that he's well stocked in everything, but besides this forum there is at least 2 other Indy forums that I know of, not to mention the people that don't belong to forums that just like having stuff and he has the best prices. I personally have no idea the amount of work it must take to get in touch with a manufacturing facility in China or whereever his stuff is made, send prototypes, get feedback, price quotes, drayage, quality control, etc...then hope that you sell enough to turn a profit so you can have more made and keep the cycle going. It's too bad that he can't pull a fast one on a store like say Marshall's and have a boatload of these pants made for them, then keep some off to the side for those of us that want to buy direct.
Todd explained a long time ago why he is only offering these hemmed...
Puppetboy wrote:
About the hem, most K-Mart shoppers have never heard of hemming their own pants. They'd be very put off by the idea that they have to hassle with the hem to make them ready to wear. Add to that, many customers buy these at the last minute for events and parties. I will have to buy them hemmed. Of course, any tailor who can hem your pants can also re-hem your pants. If you want to go that route, just buy a longer length and have them shortened.
Let's not forget here that there are thousands of people out there who don't eat and breathe Indy like some of us do on here. They just want to click "Buy" on a website and have the great gear sent to them so they have it in time for little Frankie's Hollywood themed barmitzvah or Friday night's Sigma Tau Gamma Halloween rush party. They've probably never had a pair of pants hemmed in their lives. My guess is Todd decided that this customer base comprised enough of his business that hemmed was the way to go.
That is also very sound and all. But for myself, the problem is that I'm taller than what he current offer in my waist size. To cater for that, he could either make several more sizes for each waist size, or he could offer the unhemmed option for a number of waist sizes.
Either way I'd be happy, but I would prefer the unhemmed option
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Puppetboy wrote:
Also try to imagine explaining to your seamstress/tailor/drycleaner how to do a 4" military hem.
That was my experience with my Wested pants. The local Vietnamese lady looked at me like I had 2 heads when I told her a 4" hem. "No, that too long, I do shorter". I said I really want a 4" hem. I ended up with a 2.5" hem as a compromise. Don't ask me why I had to compromise with my tailor. Something was definitely lost in translation.
Anyway, today I'm bring by your pants Todd, and I'll SHOW her the hem, and say that I want the exact same hem. Hopefully it'll turn out ok.
I just got back from the tailor's. I am trying a new one, as I can't explain the hem I want to someone who doesn't speak my language.
This lady also did not have any experience with the military hem. I brought the pants, along with a diagram, and it took quite some convincing. She also felt the length of the material on the inside should be shorter. I told her it needed to keep the exact proportions. Then she tried to convince me that I didn't need that "cuff" inside the pants at all and that she could take it out. I explained that I needed the thickness and weight at the bottom to keep the break looking right. I also explained the slight taper from front to back on the pants. She claims to have understood this part.
So....one week from today....we'll find out if I made a grave error in chosing this tailor. Fingers crossed.
I couldn't believe how many were interested in them.
I purchase bespoke clothes from time to time, and therefore got my exact measurements at hand.
if I didn't offer them ready to wear.
