Club Obi Wan

IndyBlues wrote:These jackets look really great. I'm thinking of ordering one, but worried about the sizing. Any of you guys where a size 48, and if so, which size worked out for you in USW sizing?
Mike

The Lightweight lamb runs big... I am 195 Lbs and 6ft on a good day and I take a size Large.
Sarge

Am I the only one here to note that all these USWings jackets are super-LONG?! Except for the vaderbreath one, all the others look tunics, not jackets. I hope they will offer a better cut for the Neil Cooper Raiders.

Uh, no Strones, that was discussed quite a bit during the time of development and first prototypes shown and specs posted, so you're not the 'only one' to have made that observation. Where have you been?

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote: Where have you been?

Well, not here, I suppose.

Check the vendors section for the thread. It started last April. There is a locked thread there as the jackets were being introduced titled "Awesome Updated Indy Jacket offering from US Wings" , and you'll see the discussions there.

Regards! Michaelson

Thanks!

well, here it is!!

Sweeeeet! Looks great, man!

Regards!
Indydawg

This really is a sweet jacket but it runs so #### big!

I ordered a Medium and when I got it, I was shocked to see that it's actually bigger than my Large Hero Antique Cow!

Holt's photo illustrates just how big these jackets run.

I really hope the Cooper jackets come out much trimmer....maybe a military cut?

PSBIndy wrote:This really is a sweet jacket but it runs so #### big!

I ordered a Medium and when I got it, I was shocked to see that it's actually bigger than my Large Hero Antique Cow!

Woah, really? You have a Hero Cow in large, and a Hero Lamb in medium, and the medium Hero Lamb was actually larger than the large Hero Cow?! I thought these two were the same cut/fit, with the same sizing. And didn't IndyDawg say his Hero Lamb had a trimmer fit than other USWings jackets (though he hadn't compared it to the Hero Cow).

That's interesting...

-KB

I dont know what you are talking about PSB but they have the same pattern and cut. I have both cow and lamb in the same size...

the jackets are not big. they are what I call a 'loose trim fit'

"Loose trim fit"......is that sort of like a "Skinny Fat Girl" ?? ....

Hatch wrote:"Loose trim fit"......is that sort of like a "Skinny Fat Girl" ?? ....

Sounds to me to be more like "not boxy" or not "baggy." Trim, but not clingy or form fitting.

-KB

Wow. Nice scene Holt. Were you just out and about or is that near your place? The jacket looks great in the natural light.

Indiana Holt wrote:I dont know what you are talking about PSB but they have the same pattern and cut. I have both cow and lamb in the same size...

the jackets are not big. they are what I call a 'loose trim fit'

Yes they are BIG....or at the very least, what you call a "full cut." I normally wear a size 44 reg (same as you I think)and my Medium Hero lamb is Huge. This isn't just an isolated case..... Looking at all the posts from the cow and lamb threads, most guys who normally wear Large or Medium in other brands ended up ordering Medium and Small in USW.

When I compare your first photo with the Antique cow against the recent one with the lamb, the cow looks like it fits you much better, even though you say they are the same size. In the photo with the lamb jacket, the arms in particular looks huge.

Here's what I'm talking about:



My Antique Cow (Large): chest width--22.5 in ; sleeve length--23.0 in ; back length--25.5 in

My NZ Lamb (Medium): chest width--23.5 in; sleeve length--24.75 in ; back length--26.75 in




How can a Medium be bigger than a Large?!
I love these new jackets from USW, but man, they gotta correct the sizing issue!

well, I think there was some issue with wrong sized mediums. correct me if Im wrong here guys. I'm tired today so I might be wrong with this..

Not to say I recieved one, both my smalls fit great, but it was mentioned that some jackets may have been mislabeled. I do feel that my NZL is a little looser fitting than my AC but it is likely do the the weight and feel of the leather as all measurements are within a 1/2" of each other.

PSBIndy wrote:Here's what I'm talking about:



My Antique Cow (Large): chest width--22.5 in ; sleeve length--23.0 in ; back length--25.5 in

My NZ Lamb (Medium): chest width--23.5 in; sleeve length--24.75 in ; back length--26.75 in




How can a Medium be bigger than a Large?!
I love these new jackets from USW, but man, they gotta correct the sizing issue!

If your large measures 22.5 across the chest at the arm pits, then it is not a large, but apprears
to be a miss labeled medium.

The larges should measure 25 to 25.5 across the chest at the arm pits. A size 44 military
cut jacket normally has a pit to pit of 24 inches, which allows for 4 inches of movement room.
And since the Wings/Cooper jackets incorporate more movement room than a military cut jacket,
or about 6 inches, then you can see your jacket is not quite right.

At 22.5 inches, your size large would give you only an inch of movement room over your
actual chest size of 44 inches. That would be an extremely tight fit!

I would send the large back and get one that is the correct measurements.

Flathead

PSBIndy wrote:Here's what I'm talking about:



My Antique Cow (Large): chest width--22.5 in ; sleeve length--23.0 in ; back length--25.5 in

My NZ Lamb (Medium): chest width--23.5 in; sleeve length--24.75 in ; back length--26.75 in




How can a Medium be bigger than a Large?!
I love these new jackets from USW, but man, they gotta correct the sizing issue!

Whoa, your Antique Cow that is labeled large actually appears to be a mislabeled Small in my estimation. Scot, don't those measurements seem like what you got with your Small cowhide jacket?

Your Medium NZ Lamb is very similar to my Medium Antique Cow, nearly identical, although yours is slightly longer.

So, your Cowhide, which is really a Small (I think) fits you better? And I do agree, these jackets are quite big. Some like the bigger fit, some don't. I have mixed feelings, but I'll be able to make a better judgement this winter when I have some layers on underneath.

Well, I'm most likely going to end up selling my jackets to my relatives or friends and wait for the Cooper jacket which hopefully has better sizing and the quality control problems have been solved.

That's the problem with these OTR jackets.....very often getting the right fit can be a crapshoot.

In my opinion, Indy jackets look best when it's more form-fitting.....more of the 1940's military-cut. I hated the look of the CS jacket precisely because it looked way too baggy on Indy. It made look even older than he already was.

PSBIndy wrote:

Indiana Holt wrote:I dont know what you are talking about PSB but they have the same pattern and cut. I have both cow and lamb in the same size...

the jackets are not big. they are what I call a 'loose trim fit'

Yes they are BIG....or at the very least, what you call a "full cut." I normally wear a size 44 reg (same as you I think)and my Medium Hero lamb is Huge. This isn't just an isolated case..... Looking at all the posts from the cow and lamb threads, most guys who normally wear Large or Medium in other brands ended up ordering Medium and Small in USW.

When I compare your first photo with the Antique cow against the recent one with the lamb, the cow looks like it fits you much better, even though you say they are the same size. In the photo with the lamb jacket, the arms in particular looks huge.

I remember asking in an earlier thread about some sleeve measurements from these new Wings jackets, but I'm not
sure If any answer was given. Anyone with a new jacket care to measure the armhole and upper sleeve area?
Such a large sleeve benefits no one, they're simply easier to make, plain and simple. Holt has very large arms,
and the sleeves are just hanging off even him. I too, am hoping the future range of Cooper jackets can eliminate this problem, but I seriously doubt it.

I think the jacket fits Holt much better then other guys I recently saw here BUT even Holt had to tighten up the sidestraps very much to make it look better. We all not blind. The pictures speak for itself.
The jackets are probably 1-2 sizes to big for everyone. 1 size for Holt. This should might get cleared right now before it's too late.

Regards

orb

I've had a tough time deciding what size to get since I'm going from an XXL long USW to buying the AC and the NZL. I've been worried about the sleeve length on these, but after hearing about the AC longs coming, I brought it up to Sarge. I'm now waiting for the NZL longs (and the AC) to come in so I can finally post my own pics!

The jackets look great on everyone and my thanks for the posts so I can help make my own decision. I'll be trying to increase my posts so that I'm less of a lurker. M had a good point that made me consider my own habits. If we as members care about a topic, we really should speak up. I missed my chance to comment and put my support where I thought it should be.

Highest regards!
Riothamus

Holt, you see that light patch of leather behind your left shoulder? I LOVE that!

I have that on my antique cow hero USW and I think the imperfections in the hide are one of the PLUSSES of these jackets!

Yep I know. im with you. LOVE that!!

Great looking jacket Holt! The uneven color just really adds to the character of the jacket. It's going to be great to see them after they're broken in. I've been wearing mine every chance I get, but it's going to take alot longer to look lived in than the naked cowhide.

Weston

Tibor wrote:Wow. Nice scene Holt. Were you just out and about or is that near your place? The jacket looks great in the natural light.

oh missed this one..

its 15 minutes away from where I live.

Taking a few pictures for Sarge today.

thought I could post them here too.

I dont know what y'all talking about but I dont feel this jacket is that BIG. I think it fits very good and it flows with the rest of the gear.

Love this jacket!!







and check this out! pretty cool huh?

Indiana Holt wrote: and check this out! pretty cool huh?

Yeah, it looks like it's about to rain on you, but not anyone else

Seriously though, that jacket looks awesome, and it fits you great

-KB

Part of the reason it suits you so well is you have the muscle to fill out the sleeves. For mere mortals they may look a bit large. What a great look though.

LOVE these latest photos, Holt... everything looks GREAT!

Mitch

I second NotSure Holt, the jacket looks great!!!

-TS

Woa!

Maybe I missed it, but I've been doing what I thought was a good job keeping up with these threads. I don't recall seeing a post where Holt said he got a free jacket... I think M got them to review but I didn't hear that about Holt.

Either way, I don't think it's fair to claim that about him. Wait until you get your jacket and then decide if the sleeves are too big. Sarge has said he'll keep us happy. If you don't like it or it doesn't fit, send it back. It's that simple.

Oh and Holt, I would love to see a back shot, but just because the other shots look so good I'd like to see the back in action.

Just my $0.02
Riothamus

Yes.. this kind of thing has been tried with me...specifically about the "arm holes" being too big. I fail to see anyone trying to tell me my own jacket doesn't fit the way I say it does....but, oh well!

Holt, my friend-you just enjoy that jacket, man! Looks like it fits to me, too!

I know mine does-and I'm certainly no "superhuman!"

Regards!
Indydawg

PS-I think enough said on this, too...move on to other happy customers!

Holt,
I think the jacket looks great on you. Heck I don't think I've ever seen a jacket on you that did not look good. Wear it in good health. You're just a natural, you should go to Hollywood and see if you can get a job as an actor or model. And why some people get into such an uproar over a jacket is beyond me; too much time on their hands perhaps. BTW I'd love to be in Norway right now; such beautiful country.

My thoughts exactly, R!

Okay. the thread is cleaned out and back for business.

I think your "loose trim fit" description ought to be adopted by wings. I believe Sarge said before that they were not intended to be full cut, though they allowed for movement room, but he changed the fit from normal to full cut anyway. "Loose trim fit" or maybe "loose normal" might be better suited to the jacket, especially since that's how it really looks to be.

-KB

Most places use three types of fits:

Military or Trim fit: Which is a trim, more snug fit, giving approx 4 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Regular or Normal fit: Which is a normal fit, giving approx 6 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Full Cut or Loose fit: Which is a looser more modern fit, giving approx 8 inches of movement room
over tagged size.

Loose Trim Fit is confusing. Is it loose fitting or is it trim fitting? As a reference, if you go
by what others have posted on this site and other jacket sites about their jackets actual measurements,
we can find that Wested's are a military or trim fit, Wings is more of a normal fit, and Gibson
and Barnes are a loose fit. A size 44 Wested will measure 24 inches across the chest, a
size large Wings (which fits sizes 42/44) measures about 25, and the G&B size 44 chest
measures about 26 or even 27. One is trim, one is normal, and one is loose. But they
are all suppose to be for a size 44 person. The fit is totally subjective to what you want.

Loose, trim, or normal fit is all dependant on the shape of your body. What is "loose"
or "trim" on one person on a certain part of their body will certaintly NOT be loose or trim
on the same parts of other people because we are all shaped differently.

Holts jacket may fit loose in the waist, but trim in the chest, but put that same jacket
on me, it will be about regular or normal in both the chest and waist. So he will say its a "loose trim"
fit and I will say its a "normal" fit. But its the same jacket. So who is right?

Even on the Wings site, it states that some of their A-2 jackets are a military fit, and that
if you want a more modern, looser fit, to size up. Its all in the actual garment measurements
versus your own body that will determine how any clothing fits YOU.

Flathead

I am planning on posting some new pics this week as I finally got a chance to wear my jacket out in the NYC streets this weekend. as luck would have it I got caught in a rainstorm and it really helped break it in a little.

But I just wanted to show an earlier photo of the back of the jacket, cause I really love the undertones of this jacket. Check out the stripe pattern across the back, and the intense variations of brown in the pleats. This is really the kind of Indy jacket that has a chance to be worn in the summer months and that is a huge plus for me.

SB

FLATHEAD wrote:Most places use three types of fits:

Military or Trim fit: Which is a trim, more snug fit, giving approx 4 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Regular or Normal fit: Which is a normal fit, giving approx 6 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Full Cut or Loose fit: Which is a looser more modern fit, giving approx 8 inches of movement room
over tagged size.

Loose Trim Fit is confusing. Is it loose fitting or is it trim fitting? As a reference, if you go
by what others have posted on this site and other jacket sites about their jackets actual measurements,
we can find that Wested's are a military or trim fit, Wings is more of a normal fit, and Gibson
and Barnes are a loose fit. A size 44 Wested will measure 24 inches across the chest, a
size large Wings (which fits sizes 42/44) measures about 25, and the G&B size 44 chest
measures about 26 or even 27. One is trim, one is normal, and one is loose. But they
are all suppose to be for a size 44 person. The fit is totally subjective to what you want.

Loose, trim, or normal fit is all dependant on the shape of your body. What is "loose"
or "trim" on one person on a certain part of their body will certaintly NOT be loose or trim
on the same parts of other people because we are all shaped differently.

Holts jacket may fit loose in the waist, but trim in the chest, but put that same jacket
on me, it will be about regular or normal in both the chest and waist. So he will say its a "loose trim"
fit and I will say its a "normal" fit. But its the same jacket. So who is right?

Even on the Wings site, it states that some of their A-2 jackets are a military fit, and that
if you want a more modern, looser fit, to size up. Its all in the actual garment measurements
versus your own body that will determine how any clothing fits YOU.

Flathead

Flathead I think your thread is very important for all of us and thank you for posting it!
Making a US Military Issue Jacket is not hard at all.. What is your height and weight and we know you are already in shape because you don't have all that extra body fat.. lean and mean! Now comes that person that wants the look but is way out of shape...Today at 1:53 PM flight 5700 United.. Kamran Malik the best of the best Pattern Maker of Leather Jackets in all the world came to work on that issue and will be at our Corp. office for four days to go over that issue and Yes Flatheard it is number one on my plate. and of Course he will also go over Neil Coopers Raiders pattern .... again your thread is very important to me and I am sure when all is said and done will help other Vendors .... Good Job!! Yes I read every thread...
Sarge
PS Please tell Sharkboy to stop taking a shower with His Indy Jacket on!!

Sarge,

Never in the shower! but the lighting is great in there for showing all the amazing color tones!



SB

sharkboy wrote:Sarge,

Never in the shower! but the lighting is great in there for showing all the amazing color tones!



SB

I love the look!! That is the jacket 100 %.. I can't drop names But it is well received.
Sarge

Sgt. wrote:

FLATHEAD wrote:Most places use three types of fits:

Military or Trim fit: Which is a trim, more snug fit, giving approx 4 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Regular or Normal fit: Which is a normal fit, giving approx 6 inches of movement room over tagged size.

Full Cut or Loose fit: Which is a looser more modern fit, giving approx 8 inches of movement room
over tagged size.

Loose Trim Fit is confusing. Is it loose fitting or is it trim fitting? As a reference, if you go
by what others have posted on this site and other jacket sites about their jackets actual measurements,
we can find that Wested's are a military or trim fit, Wings is more of a normal fit, and Gibson
and Barnes are a loose fit. A size 44 Wested will measure 24 inches across the chest, a
size large Wings (which fits sizes 42/44) measures about 25, and the G&B size 44 chest
measures about 26 or even 27. One is trim, one is normal, and one is loose. But they
are all suppose to be for a size 44 person. The fit is totally subjective to what you want.

Loose, trim, or normal fit is all dependant on the shape of your body. What is "loose"
or "trim" on one person on a certain part of their body will certaintly NOT be loose or trim
on the same parts of other people because we are all shaped differently.

Holts jacket may fit loose in the waist, but trim in the chest, but put that same jacket
on me, it will be about regular or normal in both the chest and waist. So he will say its a "loose trim"
fit and I will say its a "normal" fit. But its the same jacket. So who is right?

Even on the Wings site, it states that some of their A-2 jackets are a military fit, and that
if you want a more modern, looser fit, to size up. Its all in the actual garment measurements
versus your own body that will determine how any clothing fits YOU.

Flathead

Flathead I think your thread is very important for all of us and thank you for posting it!
Making a US Military Issue Jacket is not hard at all.. What is your height and weight and we know you are already in shape because you don't have all that extra body fat.. lean and mean! Now comes that person that wants the look but is way out of shape...Today at 1:53 PM flight 5700 United.. Kamran Malik the best of the best Pattern Maker of Leather Jackets in all the world came to work on that issue and will be at our Corp. office for four days to go over that issue and Yes Flatheard it is number one on my plate. and of Course he will also go over Neil Coopers Raiders pattern .... again your thread is very important to me and I am sure when all is said and done will help other Vendors .... Good Job!! Yes I read every thread...
Sarge
PS Please tell Sharkboy to stop taking a shower with His Indy Jacket on!!

I'll second what Sarge said. I appreciate (and accept) your definitions of Military, Normal, and Loose fit, Flathead. The measurement estimations you give will be very helpful to all on this board. Thanks!

Here's another unusual shot of this jacket...I was sleeping on the bus after a full week with 24 high schoolers on the Oregon coast. Interesting how in this light, you don't really see the color variations...

Just the fact that this jacket survived a field trip with 24 high school students attests to it's toughness!



Regards! Michaelson

Oh, ain't that the truth!

Looks like it held up better than you did.



Regards! Michaelson