Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Did the buckles come apart easily for you?
Yes, very easily. On the thinner side of the buckle there is a a male to female V-shape connection which you can gently spread (not too far as to bend them) with some pliers (wrapped with electrical tape to prevent damage to the black paint) and a bit of elbow grease and then pop out the middle pronged bar.
The hardest part of this buckle swap was actually getting the middle bar into the looped holder on the jacket as the prongs get in the way of it sliding in easily. You can always cut the prongs off or down, but I opted to leave them.
Considering the original stunt jackets in private collections and Lucas archives were found to have cotton linings, as well as confirmations from Peter Botwright of Wested all those years of same, not sure where you’re getting that being a commonly accepted truth…
SFGiant wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:45 am
I see that the buckle debate seems to have been settled, but is it commonly accepted that the lining was polyester/satin and not cotton now?
I can only speak from personal experiences. Having seen and handled both a screen used TOD (Noel Howard) and LC jacket (Smithsonian) I can confirm that cotton lining was NOT used, it’s the darkest brown polyester blend.
When the curator of the Smithsonian’s department of cultural history reached out to the curators of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, where the remaining screen jackets are housed including two jackets from ROTLA also got confirmation that cotton lining was NOT used. The only jacket that has possible cotton lining is the Indy 5 jacket.
Peter saying the lining was cotton is incorrect and I can only assume it was because of it’s hardiness and the fact that was what was on hand at the time. This speculation, but the rest mentioned above is has verified.
SFGiant wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:45 am
I see that the buckle debate seems to have been settled, but is it commonly accepted that the lining was polyester/satin and not cotton now?
I can only speak from personal experiences. Having seen and handled both a screen used TOD (Noel Howard) and LC jacket (Smithsonian) I can confirm that cotton lining was NOT used, it’s the darkest brown polyester blend.
When the curator of the Smithsonian’s department of cultural history reached out to the curators of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, where the remaining screen jackets are housed including two jackets from ROTLA also got confirmation that cotton lining was NOT used. The only jacket that has possible cotton lining is the Indy 5 jacket.
Peter saying the lining was cotton is incorrect and I can only assume it was because of it’s hardiness and the fact that was what was on hand at the time. This speculation, but the rest mentioned above is has verified.
Excellent thank you.
I also saw a post from Brandon of the auction prop house place I think? And he said it was definitely not cotton. I just hope it becomes common knowledge because up until I stumbled upon this post I thought for sure it was cotton. I think I still will order cotton for one of my jackets for comfort but maybe not for one I want to be 100% SA.
Linings were repaired and replaced by auction houses. Untouched jackets in private collections were cotton, as Peter was instructed to make them as cheaply as possible and to use what he had on hand. The original order was big and a fast turn around was required.
A complaint by stunt men was the cotton lining shredded after hard use and they either ripped it out or replaced it as time allowed. The one examined by Gibson and Barnes to create the Expedition had the remainder of a shredded cotton lining inside, which gave them the heads up NOT to go that way with their version.
Peter always referred to the set ups of lambskin leather and cotton lining as his ‘summer’ jacket. In the ‘old days’ he rarely if ever used a polyester lining on anything as his read and butter was film and tv production.
Michaelson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:47 am
Linings were repaired and replaced by auction houses. Untouched jackets in private collections were cotton, as Peter was instructed to make them as cheaply as possible and to use what he had on hand. The original order was big and a fast turn around was required.
A complaint by stunt men was the cotton lining shredded after hard use and they either ripped it out or replaced it as time allowed. The one examined by Gibson and Barnes to create the Expedition had the remainder of a shredded cotton lining inside, which gave them the heads up NOT to go that way with their version.
Peter always referred to the set ups of lambskin leather and cotton lining as his ‘summer’ jacket. In the ‘old days’ he rarely if ever used a polyester lining on anything as his read and butter was film and tv production.
Regards! M
Uh oh we have a total 180 now. So confused but this does sound pretty conclusive.
SFGiant wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:45 am
I see that the buckle debate seems to have been settled, but is it commonly accepted that the lining was polyester/satin and not cotton now?
I can only speak from personal experiences. Having seen and handled both a screen used TOD (Noel Howard) and LC jacket (Smithsonian) I can confirm that cotton lining was NOT used, it’s the darkest brown polyester blend.
When the curator of the Smithsonian’s department of cultural history reached out to the curators of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, where the remaining screen jackets are housed including two jackets from ROTLA also got confirmation that cotton lining was NOT used. The only jacket that has possible cotton lining is the Indy 5 jacket.
Peter saying the lining was cotton is incorrect and I can only assume it was because of it’s hardiness and the fact that was what was on hand at the time. This speculation, but the rest mentioned above is has verified.
Yes this makes sense. In Temple and Crusade the lining when seen looks like a polyester blend.
I mean God bless Peter, but we all know how dodgy his memory was.
SFGiant wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:22 pm
Hi are they something you’d sell separately?
No. We don't sell buckles separately.
I'm sorry we can't help you on that matter.
SFGiant wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:22 pm
Also it’s driving me nuts as I can’t get conclusive search results. Did Last Crusade have cotton or satin lining?
Original LC jacket at Smithsonian Museum have
100% polyester lining. Not satin. It's a different material.
After reading through this thread last week I don't think I'm going to restock on these Black retrofit rectangles:
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These new ones in gunmetal seem a better match on shape and less likely to catch the edges on car bolsters etc. - I've swapped over to these on all my jackets and prefer them:
I bought out a leather supply business a few months ago and still got a warehouse full of stuff to sort through, so who knows what interesting things might come across...
I only stock ones you can retro-fit without having to remove and restitch the buckle strap. Not sure if that's possible with the centre bar of the pronged buckles?