Temple Of Doom Bag Strap

[Aragorn658]

Anyone know of the best SA strap for mt todds bag? And or does anyone sell a satchel with the o-rings that aren't black but sliver or plain metal? Im really looking for a SA for Temple and Kingdom. Thanks fellas

[knibs7]

Go to Wade's site

Kyle

[Aragorn658]

well can anyone show me the buckle difference in tod to cs? even though it isnt used the cs is the best looking bag to me

[jlhampton]

Aragorn, as far as the o rings are concerned, you can take off the black yourself. If you use very fine grit sandpaper to start, most of the black will come off pretty easily. Then finish by using different grades of steel wool, beginning with the most course first. By the time you get to the fine steel wool it will have polished the metal ring to a very nice smooth shine. I did this with both my Magnoli and Todd's bags as they both have the black metal rings. Hope this helps.

jlhampton

[knibs7]

well can anyone show me the buckle difference in tod to cs? even though it isnt used the cs is the best looking bag to me

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What do you mean it isn't used? And the CS bag (close-ups) is the hero bag from LC, which is probably why it looks the best.

Kyle

[Aragorn658]

do you see indy put anything in his satchel in crystal skull?

[Michaelson]

Actually, wasn't it his bag that got dumped of all the stuff found in Mexico when he was pulled out of the trunk of the car at the beginning of CS?

If so, the answer is 'yes'.

Regard! Michaelson

[knibs7]

No that was just some type of cloth. I think Indy is wearing his satchel as he is pulled out of the trunk.

Kyle

[DarenHenryW]

If I'm remembering correctly, Indy nearly puts the conquistador's knife into his satchel before Mutt shames into putting it back. So it almost got used!

DHW

[masa]

I thought the same at first but I watched the scene and it doesn't look to me that he is puting it in his bag. The bag hangs on the left and he is puting it somewhere to the right. And he tucks his flashlight to his right jacket pocket so I don't think he is putting it in there either. So maybe to his belt or something?

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[backstagejack]

Yeah, to the best of my knowledge it was NEVER used in CS. Atleast in LC it was used in the cross scene.....and it seemed they at times may have stufed the bag to make it seem full of something. CS it just hung there like a limp noodle.

TOD it played a big part.....and even in Raiders a small part.

I always felt that he kept his backup 1911, handbrushes and some notebooks in it. as mostly established by Raiders......

I always hated how they didn't have him have his knife from Raiders in CS just to make a cheap and I thought a rather awkward gag about Indy stealing a knife.....

[Holt]

in CS just to make a cheap and I thought a rather awkward gag about Indy stealing a knife.....

I agree. hate it! doesn't make sence. very cheapo scene...

[backstagejack]

in CS just to make a cheap and I thought a rather awkward gag about Indy stealing a knife.....

I agree. hate it! doesn't make sence. very cheapo scene...

Amongst others

but still, this scene stood out to me as just plain awkward......almost improvised but wrongly so....."hey, this would be funny" and they filmed it and GL was like "Ah, that's like Jar Jar GOLD!"

[DarenHenryW]

Man, I see it completely different from you guys!

I really like that moment! Here's why. In Last Crusade, Indy was all about saying, "That belongs in a museum!" But lest we forget, Indy didn't always act so altruistically. In the opening scene of Raiders, he's stealing that fertility idol, not unearthing it, and certainly not with the permission of the Peruvians. Sure, it may wind up in a museum (not a Peruvian one!), but the museum will buy his pieces "no questions asked, as usual." He's raising cash to support his playboy lifestyle (muted in Raiders, but shown quite explicitly in the beginning of TOD--again, he's trading Nurhachi for a diamond, a rock that will certainly not be another "collecting dust"). The fact that he wants the knife for himself (not to sell, but probably just to keep at home and prize as another souvenir of his travels) shows a little bit of the renegade left in him that was missing in LC. The fact that Mutt clears his throat as a sign of disapproval shows that he has more respect for the dead or the "sacredness" of the archeological site than Indy, the "tenured professor of archeology" does. This is great. I think you guys missed it.

Daren Henry W

[Zuiun]

This is great. I think you guys missed it.

I 100% agree. Indy was always meant to be a dichotomy. In the classroom, he admonishes grave robbing. Out of the classroom, he *is* a classic grave robber. (Of course, he wouldn't call himself that, but it is what it is.)

[DarenHenryW]

This is great. I think you guys missed it.

I 100% agree. Indy was always meant to be a dichotomy. In the classroom, he admonishes grave robbing. Out of the classroom, he *is* a classic grave robber. (Of course, he wouldn't call himself that, but it is what it is.)

In the original Making of Raiders/Great Stunts video, Ford does describe Indy as an archeologist who, on the side, is a grave robber. That's part of the arc (mind the pun) of his character: in TOD, Willie says, speaking of the Sankara Stone, "you could have kept it." This is a reference to his "fortune and glory" comment. By the end of the film, we see that he cares nothing about the fortune or glory, he's just glad he could help an innocent village. But in CS, we see there's still a small part of him that doesn't think it'll really hurt if he keeps one little knife. As Zuiun stated, that's part of the dichotomy; Mutt's right, Indy shouldn't keep it; it makes him a grave robber, which is exactly Mutt asked him if he was at the diner and Indy denied it. Mutt was basically reminding him of that. It may not be the funniest moment in the film, but it is a little funny, and it shows that Indy still has a bit of Belloq in him. Without it, Indy would be just be Dudley Do-Right in a fedora. And what fun is that?

DHW

[backstagejack]

While I agree its a very very small throwback to him being a "treasure hunter" I just felt it came off awkward....I watched the movie this weekend and it just stood out to me. maybe it's just because as a gearhead, I wanted him to have his knife from Raiders, I dunno.

[McFly]

Actually this sort of brings up an interesting thought - though we may be changing topics a little (ok, a lot?)... It seems like Indy's costume really goes from being practical in Raiders to just a costume in CS. As the movies progress, he ends up using less and less of the stuff he's wearing. He's got a belt with a whip and a gun on it and a gas mask on a leather strap. In Raiders he's pulling brushes out of his bag, shooting people in the streets in Egypt, and holding off thugs with his whip and swinging around on it. By CS he's not shooting anybody anymore, rarely using his whip, and not using his bag at all! Why have that stuff at all if it's just for looks at that point?

Shane

[backstagejack]

Actually this sort of brings up an interesting thought - though we may be changing topics a little (ok, a lot?)... It seems like Indy's costume really goes from being practical in Raiders to just a costume in CS. As the movies progress, he ends up using less and less of the stuff he's wearing. He's got a belt with a whip and a gun on it and a gas mask on a leather strap. In Raiders he's pulling brushes out of his bag, shooting people in the streets in Egypt, and holding off thugs with his whip and swinging around on it. By CS he's not shooting anybody anymore, rarely using his whip, and not using his bag at all! Why have that stuff at all if it's just for looks at that point?

Shane

YES! It just became a costume in the end....


oh...ahem... back on topic....I have a Wade Egan LC strap and I love it. I highly suggest his work for a TOD as well.....

[Michaelson]

Shane, my boy, welcome to a lesson in real life. As you age, you'll find, you DO things like that, and items you used, wore or carried on a daily basis, but rarely use in later life essentially DO become a prop.

CS is one of the most 'comfortable' costumes I've ever seen him wear, because I can relate to WHY he looks like he does in that film.

You no longer care about the functionality....you care about the comfort, the familiarity of the item, or you just flat don't care at all. It's just a part of your daily routine, and even if it evolves to others, you don't even notice it evolving yourself.

Anyway, back to topic......

Regards! Michaelson

[knibs7]

You no longer care about the functionality....you care about the comfort, the familiarity of the item, or you just flat don't care at all. It's just a part of your daily routine, and even if it evolves to others, you don't even notice it evolving yourself.

Regards! Michaelson

Then why is the bag strap OVER the jacket?!?

Kyle

[Zuiun]

About the outfit as a costume, that really is one of the elements I like about Temple of Doom. They weren't slavishly attached to the entire outfit. He has an opening adventure in a tux, and then when he does finally put on the outfit, they take a LOT of liberties when it comes to keeping him in it - he loses the jacket, most of the shirt, rips his pants, tears up the bag, etc.

It actually REALLY annoyed me that he somehow magically had an entire brand new outfit when he returned to the village at the end. That was the moment, I think, when it switched from "just the clothes he wears on adventures" to his costume.

[ShanghaiJack]

Man, I see it completely different from you guys!

I really like that moment! Here's why. In Last Crusade, Indy was all about saying, "That belongs in a museum!" But lest we forget, Indy didn't always act so altruistically. In the opening scene of Raiders, he's stealing that fertility idol, not unearthing it, and certainly not with the permission of the Peruvians. Sure, it may wind up in a museum (not a Peruvian one!), but the museum will buy his pieces "no questions asked, as usual." He's raising cash to support his playboy lifestyle (muted in Raiders, but shown quite explicitly in the beginning of TOD--again, he's trading Nurhachi for a diamond, a rock that will certainly not be another "collecting dust"). The fact that he wants the knife for himself (not to sell, but probably just to keep at home and prize as another souvenir of his travels) shows a little bit of the renegade left in him that was missing in LC. The fact that Mutt clears his throat as a sign of disapproval shows that he has more respect for the dead or the "sacredness" of the archeological site than Indy, the "tenured professor of archeology" does. This is great. I think you guys missed it.

Daren Henry W

While I agree with the above, at least mostly, it still bugs me that Indy had to borrow a knife. Indy just doesn't seem like the kind of man that would leave the house, much less the country, without having his trusty pocketknife with him.

[Zuiun]

While I agree with the above, at least mostly, it still bugs me that Indy had to borrow a knife. Indy just doesn't seem like the kind of man that would leave the house, much less the country, without having his trusty pocketknife with him.

Maybe there's a deleted scene where he was almost trapped in a room by a large slab of rock and, unlike his whip and his jacket, he was just a tad too slow to retrieve his knife...

[DarenHenryW]

Man, I see it completely different from you guys!

I really like that moment! Here's why. In Last Crusade, Indy was all about saying, "That belongs in a museum!" But lest we forget, Indy didn't always act so altruistically. In the opening scene of Raiders, he's stealing that fertility idol, not unearthing it, and certainly not with the permission of the Peruvians. Sure, it may wind up in a museum (not a Peruvian one!), but the museum will buy his pieces "no questions asked, as usual." He's raising cash to support his playboy lifestyle (muted in Raiders, but shown quite explicitly in the beginning of TOD--again, he's trading Nurhachi for a diamond, a rock that will certainly not be another "collecting dust"). The fact that he wants the knife for himself (not to sell, but probably just to keep at home and prize as another souvenir of his travels) shows a little bit of the renegade left in him that was missing in LC. The fact that Mutt clears his throat as a sign of disapproval shows that he has more respect for the dead or the "sacredness" of the archeological site than Indy, the "tenured professor of archeology" does. This is great. I think you guys missed it.

Daren Henry W

While I agree with the above, at least mostly, it still bugs me that Indy had to borrow a knife. Indy just doesn't seem like the kind of man that would leave the house, much less the country, without having his trusty pocketknife with him.

Yeah, but the point was to show that Mutt carries a knife, and its an opportunity for him to brandish it. You could even make the argument (a weak one, yes), that's Indy's giving Mutt an opportunity to be helpful. At the very least, the script calls for Mutt to be of service. I think the joke is that Indy knows Mutt carries a knife, and that's why he asks for it. If Indy takes out his own knife, Mutt can't show off his, and then Indy would have less of a reason to want to take the conquistador's knife.

I may be over-analyzing, but I think you guys are forgetting how scripts and gags are written. If characters always did exactly what we would expect them to do, or worse yet, what WE would do, they wouldn't be much fun to watch.

DHW

PS I agree about the bag strap over the shoulder. THAT bugged me. I think it was out of some kind of laziness on Ford's part during takes. You see him taking it off after a take in the DVD extra features , and I got a sense that he didn't like wearing it anymore than he had to, and so this was the quickest way to get take it off and put it on take after take without removing the jacket, which I'm willing to bet he really enjoyed wearing. I know I enjoy mine!

DHW

[starks_6]

YES! It just became a costume in the end....

I have to disagree a little with this comment. Just because Indy may carry certain "gear" does not mean it is used all the time. While it would have be nice for KOTCS to be scripted showing Indy using more of his gear or the whip more often, at what point does it actually become unrealistic that he WOULD use it all the time.

As maybe a broad example I carry a torch and lighter in my MKVII everyday, I don't smoke and am generally not running around needing a torch so while I carry these I very rarely use them. But they're there when I need them.
Think of a police officer, they carry a gun, don't shoot that everyday.
And there would be many more examples.

My point is that you probably shouldn't be discouraged by the fact that he does not use these items too often. Fact is in the many other, not written of adventures that there would have been there would have been journeys which required the use of his gear many times, and others not at all. CS should just be thought of as one of the times that it was not required all that much

[davex247]

He used his whip, be thankfull for that!

[backstagejack]

YES! It just became a costume in the end....

I have to disagree a little with this comment. Just because Indy may carry certain "gear" does not mean it is used all the time. While it would have be nice for KOTCS to be scripted showing Indy using more of his gear or the whip more often, at what point does it actually become unrealistic that he WOULD use it all the time.

As maybe a broad example I carry a torch and lighter in my MKVII everyday, I don't smoke and am generally not running around needing a torch so while I carry these I very rarely use them. But they're there when I need them.
Think of a police officer, they carry a gun, don't shoot that everyday.
And there would be many more examples.

My point is that you probably shouldn't be discouraged by the fact that he does not use these items too often. Fact is in the many other, not written of adventures that there would have been there would have been journeys which required the use of his gear many times, and others not at all. CS should just be thought of as one of the times that it was not required all that much

While that's true. I would never daily wear something that I didn't have anything in it. I've never worn my satchel unless I was putting somethign in it, even if I never used said stuff.....

Indy's satchel in CS was obviously filled with nothing. Even just some stuffing would've helped....) but that's just my humble opinion....

[Charybdis]

What I think is the funniest about all the costume stuff is about how at the end of TOD, as someone mentioned above, that after he rips the shirt, loses the jacket, etc., he magically appears with all the costume again at the end of the movie!

I wonder how many times in all four movies that happens? Where it would be physically impossible for him due to situations or locations, etc. that he would not have been able to have his hat or his jacket and yet there they are again ready to go!

[DarenHenryW]

What I think is the funniest about all the costume stuff is about how at the end of TOD, as someone mentioned above, that after he rips the shirt, loses the jacket, etc., he magically appears with all the costume again at the end of the movie!

I wonder how many times in all four movies that happens? Where it would be physically impossible for him due to situations or locations, etc. that he would not have been able to have his hat or his jacket and yet there they are again ready to go!

Yes, it's a bit incredible, but I think that when Indy says, "Shorty, get our stuff," we are meant to assume that Shorty kind of drags Indy's jacket around, and even his hat, from time to time. We don't see Shorty carrying it during the bridge scene, but somehow, he's supposed to have it for Indy. There's one shot where Indy, Willy and Shorty are walking toward the village, and you can see his MKVII hanging by his hip. In the next shot, as Indy and Willy and Shorty approach the village, we see that, correctly, Indy is without the bag (we all watched him lose it just moments before . . . ) but the only mysterious part is the jacket. His shirt is not gone, it's only missing the sleeve, but you can't see that with the jacket on. But his hand is bandaged, and the bag and strap are gone. So, only the inclusion of the jacket is a little hard to understand, because, where did Shorty put it?

DHW

[backstagejack]

is it possible it was in the gladstone bag? that was still in the temple?

I haven't seen tod in some time. Lately, I've been highly aware that I don't own these movies and it's bugging me. HAHAHA

[starks_6]

YES! It just became a costume in the end....

I have to disagree a little with this comment. Just because Indy may carry certain "gear" does not mean it is used all the time. While it would have be nice for KOTCS to be scripted showing Indy using more of his gear or the whip more often, at what point does it actually become unrealistic that he WOULD use it all the time.

As maybe a broad example I carry a torch and lighter in my MKVII everyday, I don't smoke and am generally not running around needing a torch so while I carry these I very rarely use them. But they're there when I need them.
Think of a police officer, they carry a gun, don't shoot that everyday.
And there would be many more examples.

My point is that you probably shouldn't be discouraged by the fact that he does not use these items too often. Fact is in the many other, not written of adventures that there would have been there would have been journeys which required the use of his gear many times, and others not at all. CS should just be thought of as one of the times that it was not required all that much

While that's true. I would never daily wear something that I didn't have anything in it. I've never worn my satchel unless I was putting somethign in it, even if I never used said stuff.....

Indy's satchel in CS was obviously filled with nothing. Even just some stuffing would've helped....) but that's just my humble opinion....

I do agree with that point. I wouldnt carry a bag just incase either. Your right that it should have had something. Idealy it would be notepad, pencil, map or of the such at a minimum.

[Indiana Jeff]

but the only mysterious part is the jacket. His shirt is not gone, it's only missing the sleeve, but you can't see that with the jacket on. But his hand is bandaged, and the bag and strap are gone. So, only the inclusion of the jacket is a little hard to understand, because, where did Shorty put it?

DHW

His jacket was taken from him between when he's first in the cage and before the whipping scene.

And at some point, I think when SR first gets out of his shackles, he's carrying a bundle of stuff (held by a rope in his teeth while climbing the ladder). That would likely be Indy's jacket, shirt, satchel and hat? You can see it here.
http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/291.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right after Indy is cured by Short Round, SR gives Indy his hat and satchel seen here
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and presumably shirt since Indy is wearing it in the next scene.
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My take on this is after the troops showed up, Indy and company returned to the palace to get cleaned up. After all, Willie is back in her tuxedo outfit walking back to the village. In doing so the troops went into the catecombs/mine to round up any more Thuggee and double check to make sure no kids were still down there. They would have found Indy's jacket and gladstone?

I haven't seen TOD in a while so some of the details are fuzzy.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

[Holt]

His shirt is not gone, it's only missing the sleeve, but you can't see that with the jacket on.

DHW

Look closely and you'll see his shirt sleeves are both intact

[Indiana Jeff]

Indeed. You can easily see the shirt cuff here.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/393.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Regards,

Indiana Jeff

[jlhampton]

I think the best explanation is that he carries more than one change of clothes. I mean, c'mon, how many shirts do we all own, huh?
Think about it.

jlhampton

[jlhampton]

oh, and too, look at the buttons in the pic that Indiana Jeff posted above. They are lighter and match the color of the shirt.

jlhampton