Correct Indy Gloves?

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:56 pm

Holt wrote:yes, that is old history. The gloves Ford used was not a part of the costume when they created it in the first place. they just grabbed a pair that was laying around.

the MW gloves are cowhide and my WL are pigskin. different grain.

Holt, are you sure that isn't backwards? My MW gloves are pigskin and the WLs I ordered are cowhide.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:01 pm

Has anybody who ordered from http://www.prosafetysupplies.com/produc ... loves.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; received their gloves yet? I ordered mine on October 7th and have not received them or even a notification of shipment. I logged in to my account on their website today to check on the status and my order was listed as a paid preorder. I'll give them until Monday and then I'm going to give them a call and see if I can find out what's going on.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:29 pm

ShanghaiJack wrote:
Holt wrote:yes, that is old history. The gloves Ford used was not a part of the costume when they created it in the first place. they just grabbed a pair that was laying around.

the MW gloves are cowhide and my WL are pigskin. different grain.
Holt, are you sure that isn't backwards? My MW gloves are pigskin and the WLs I ordered are cowhide.

nope.

MW cowhide says it on the lable. the WL are pig. I'm thinking about ordering a couple cowhides as well.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:54 pm

Holt wrote:
Puppetboy wrote: Here's a question for you: if I were to have the next run of gloves stamped on the wrist, should all sizes say "LARGE" on the wrist?

-Todd

Yes! definitely if you ask me. I am searching for a stamp myself to print mine with

ABSOLUTELY!!!

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:33 pm

Well I just checked to see the status on my order and it said preorder??? When I looked into it the des ription means supply on hand is not enough to fill order and waiting for restock. Add 3-5 day to delivery time.
Well that has me disappointed. Makes me wonder if they'll be sending me tan gloves like as described or will they just send the white ones with the dark hems like on the WL site? I also wonder if it means both sizes I order were out of stock or just one. You would think their inventory would show they didn't even have one pair in stock, very diss appointing

Post by **Holt** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:53 pm

from who are the gloves you have on order?

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:44 pm

Lantzn,
I have the same questions as you. In fact, I'm considering canceling my order.

Holt,
The gloves were ordered from this place: http://www.prosafetysupplies.com/produc ... loves.html

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:59 pm

ShanghaiJack wrote:Lantzn,
I have the same questions as you. In fact, I'm considering canceling my order.

Holt,
The gloves were ordered from this place: http://www.prosafetysupplies.com/produc ... loves.html

I've just emailed them with my full concerns (descriptions of both versions) and stated I'm not interested in the white ones with the dark brown hem. I asked what sizes and quantities of the original TAN version they do have in stock. Hopefully we'll get some good news that not all sizes are out of stock. I still think it lame I didn't receive an email letting me know of the backorder. I better check my spam.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:43 pm

Thanks for getting hold of them about this. I wanted to get to it today, and just got swamped. Iwouldn't bother checking your spam though. I haven't heard anything regarding the backorder either. Let's hope they've got the tan version that they advertised.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:24 pm

Sorry, I have to correct myself!!!

I went back and looked at my photos, and the PIH gloves DID have markings in them. Sorry, it's been a while, but I had the nagging feeling I might have been wrong about that so I dug up my pics and had a second look. The said "HF-3" on the inside of each glove. I'm going to reserve any further details to protect whoever purchased them. If I were buying them, I'd send photos to any remaining wardrobe person from Raiders and ask them if they recognize the markings. You might get a "oh, that's my handwriting" or "Oh, no, we didn't use markings like that..." etc. That's what I did for the Gladiator armor they had up for auction. I sent photos to the costumer and she forwarded them to the armor maker who recognized the suit immediately and could tell me the backstory on it.

Are they real??? Anything's possible. I'm about 90% convinced, because of the age of the logo. Were they used on screen? Who knows???

FWIW

-Todd

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:38 am

I just got some bad news from pro safety. Here is the email they sent.

Hi - we just got your gloves in today (had to order more) and we're sad to
say they are the lighter ones with brown stitching. Not the tan on tan. We
will cancel and refund your order in full. Unfortunately, we have not been
provided with the updated image as you saw in the catalog and they haven't
made us aware of these changes in manufacturing. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Thanks for contacting Pro Safety.

So, it looks like they do not have the tan gloves, but at least they will refund the order. The search continues...

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:08 am

My order with pro safety was canceled as well.

On a good note, my medium WL 1123 gloves from Raiderbash just arrived? The medium size on my hands fits like a glove (haha pun). The color is gorgeous and the leather soft. Love the wild bronco embossed stamp on the left glove. I'll get some pics this weekend.

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:35 am

Aw, man, I wish I'd seen this sooner. My order has a tracking number already (they'll probably be here tomorrow). I ordered a pair in XL and one in L; maybe one of them will be correct. If not, back they go.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:18 am

Oildale, if you get in touch with them they will probably help you out. I emailed them and they cancelled my order and refunded my credit card, but they didn't cancel the orderfast enough and the gloves shipped and arrived here yesterday. I emailed again asking how they would like the gloves returned and they told me to just keep them. So, I got a free pair of gloves. They are definitely not the ones shown in the photos they are white with green trim, and they don't have the WL logo stamped on them either

. I'll try and post some pics later.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:58 am

lantzn wrote:My order with pro safety was canceled as well.

On a good note, my medium WL 1123 gloves from Raiderbash just arrived? The medium size on my hands fits like a glove (haha pun). The color is gorgeous and the leather soft. Love the wild bronco embossed stamp on the left glove. I'll get some pics this weekend.

That's good news Lantz, sorry again about the delay in message responses.

For those who are interested, I do have some size SMALL available. I'll put up an add in the Bazaar in a bit.

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:35 pm

They arrived. They're incorrect.

I guess they color-code the trim; the Ls have brown and the XLs have blue.

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:50 pm

You can follow Holts procedure above and make some very nice close enough gloves. His turned out great.

You guys receiving your orders even after canceling makes me wonder if I'll still get my order. I canceled after you but was the first to order. However it seems like I would have got them by now if that were the case.

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:05 pm

I have a pair of WLs that color already; I'd like to start again with the tan version. Home Depot has a pathetic selection of gloves; maybe I can find Discount Glove Emporium somewhere around here.

I've been planning a trip to the Fashion District in LA for other reasons; I'll put gloves on my list of things to look for, too.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:27 pm

Lantzn, I think I may have ordered before you, but I was waiting for the gloves to arrive before posting, then after seeing your post I decided to go ahead and post before they got here.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:36 pm

For those interested, I put an add in the Bazaar for what I have available. Mostly size small, a few smalls that fit like mediums, but not many and I might have to keep those for myself...maybe...

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:50 pm

Got my 1123 gloves from Raiderbash and they are great!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35223822@N ... 953388588/

APL · Post by **APL** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:41 pm

lantzn wrote:Got my 1123 gloves from Raiderbash and they are great!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35223822@N ... 953388588/

Gotta say, they look great!

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:53 pm

I emailed Pro Safety about the gloves and they apologized for the confusion and refunded my money. I guess I'm keeping the gloves because they didn't say anything about returning them, even after I asked.

So Pro Safety customer service gets

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:52 pm

Yup, their customer service was very good, once they were informed that the photo they had up on their site did not match the gloves they were selling. I might have to order something from them just so I don't feel bad about the free gloves. Even if they weren't the ones I thought I had ordered.

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:09 am

Do they have an embossed logo on them?

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:48 am

Mine don't.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:43 am

Mine don't either. Have they stopped embossing the logo on their new gloves?

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:23 pm

They haven't for quite some time. They have had a couple different versions of the mule head...in a circle and not, similar to the "white mule" line they had back in the thirties.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:55 pm

Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I actually thought the embossed logo was a relatively new invention.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:06 am

Here's a cool link to the WL website about their history for those interested...

http://www.wellslamont.com/index.php/history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.wellslamont.com/index.php/timeline" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:33 am

James Cash Penny - I'd like to know how his parents settled on that name!

I think we need to re-open the case on the "tragic" death of Maurice Lamont!

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:02 pm

Yeah, isn't it interesting how these guys just happened to become friends and the rest is american history.

I love that W. Orson Wells started with 5 sewing machines and a small swath of fabric...oh the glory days of America.

Now if you want to buy and sell more than a handful of cars a year in california you are then considered a dealer by the state and have to have a dealers license of $50k+ and a minimum amount of square footage for a retail lot space to sell cars on.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:58 am

Updated picture for those interested. really highlights the details of the mule head, straight stitching, straight thumb...

the flash kinda made the distinction between the cuff trim and glove color a little more drastic than it really is I think...

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:24 pm

I noticed on the wells Lamont site they had a store lookup feature that zones in on your location. That might give us individual list of store we could check for old stock, especially if they are in small out lying place that don't move a lot of stock fast. Just a thought.

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:43 pm

Just to dredge this one back up...

As he comes through the truck window, Terry Leonard appears to be wearing Indy's "LARGE" Well of Souls gloves:

In the following shots, Indy is wearing the lighter gloves.

Note the distinctive maroon color of the back of the right glove. How did this glove get so "wine-stained"? Fake blood?

(Does it matter? Look what you people have done to me.)

wwtwo · Post by **wwtwo** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:17 pm

A buddy bought these for me brand new while stationed in Okinawa, Japan because we were removing a chain-link fence from his yard on Base housing. I have no idea what brand they are or what they're made of, though I suspect they're deer skin. They probably fall in the "close enough for government work" category and aren't particularley SA. The distressing came from pulling aircraft chains on a Navy helo deck in the middle of the Indian Ocean in pitch black en route to the Persian Gulf. Funny thing is, I never connected them with our character and movies until recently. I think they look all right and aren't bad for $6!

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:39 am

They certainly have the right look.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:12 am

6 dollar glove held up that good by pulling aircraft chains?

wow, what a test, I guess my gloves will hold up just fine then..

I have allways wondered how durable these gloves really are. I guess they are pretty durable gloves then..

wwtwo · Post by **wwtwo** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:19 am

Holt wrote:6 dollar glove held up that good by pulling aircraft chains?

wow, what a test, I guess my gloves will hold up just fine then..

I have allways wondered how durable these gloves really are. I guess they are pretty durable gloves then..

Yes, very durable. Even more so than my Aldens!

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:32 am

Gloves are way down my priority list, but for some reason I grabbed my large WLs from Pro Safety and worked them over. (I had already washed, tumble-dried and Pecarded them twice, and they still looked new. The brown trim on the large size held up very well, but the blue trim on the XL just shredded.)

First, the trim got Holt's bleach treatment. (Though I wasn't nearly as careful: I used a small paint brush for the first application, and by the third I was just dipping the whole cuff into the bowl. The leather didn't seem to mind at all.) Then I hand-washed them, wrung them out and air-dried them overnight, with a final hot tumble the next day. Next came brown Kiwi shoe polish strategically applied with a sea sponge. Then a healthy slathering of Pecard's and some sun-baking. Then a very light misting of ruddy brown and black spray paint, followed by Lexol 3-in-1 leather treatment, which actually cleaned off some of the other stuff. (A nice surprise.) You can see the differences in the leather by how it reacted (or didn't react) to the same treatment. Sorta like the SU gloves.

Here are my non-screen-referenced results:

I find it amusing that I'm concentrating all my efforts on the backs of the gloves, when—as evidenced by wwtwo's photo of real working gloves above—all the dirt should really be on the palms.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:55 am

Wow Oildale, those look great! Nice job! Were your gloves almost an off white grayish color to begin? I got a pair from Pro Safety too, but the color was so off that I just put them aside. You've inspired me to take another look at them.

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:42 pm

Thanks. Yes, the same light gray gloves pictured above. I'm sure they originally had a thumb flap (although there's no evidence in the picture) because I remember cutting them off. I think I may have also put them in some tan Rit dye, but not long enough to make a difference. I'd say about 75% of the color came from the shoe polish.

In other news, I just received a pair of Midwest 340s like APL's. I'm going to stop trusting pictures on the Internet when I look for gloves (I mean IF), because despite the nice tan color and smooth surface pictured, this is what I got (no flash, outside in shade, against manila file folder).

Why am I obsessing over gloves? Why?

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:48 pm

SJ take a look at Holt's gloves earlier in this thread. He's shown how to treat these lighter off white gloves to look closer to what we see in the film. The results are amazing. Even using bleach to get rid of the dark him colors.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:52 pm

Thanks! You should see them now after alot of work in then. They look totaly indy! Allthough they look the part there are a few details that are missing. Details i thought i would not care off first but they started growing om me ever since. So i am again on the search for the perfect glove and i think, well hope i've found them.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:53 pm

Why are you obsessing on the gloves OILDALE?!?!?!!?!

Because the gloves are arguably the coolest part of the costume and what was missing in every other movie! They show you are ready to fight and know what to do (because every fighter knows how important it is if one is to use a closed fist on a semi rigid object like a human head to protect that hand)

plus dragging under trucks, swinging on leather ropes (whips), digging with shovels, etc, etc.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Agreed! I would love to see LC indy with that cool fake distressed jacket, short brimmed beat up LC hat, tie and some beat up gloves!!! Now theres your adventurer that is just making it up as he goes!

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:00 pm

lantzn wrote:SJ take a look at Holt's gloves earlier in this thread. He's shown how to treat these lighter off white gloves to look closer to what we see in the film. The results are amazing. Even using bleach to get rid of the dark him colors.

I followed Holt's tips, but my gloves just did not darken up much after soaking them and drying them in the sun nor after applying pecards, and they definitely are still the same grayish white and not that great yellowish/tan that Oilsdale has achieved on his.

I did however get a coulple of pair od NOS gloves from RaideersBash so it is not that big a deal.

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:21 am

ShanghaiJack wrote:
lantzn wrote:SJ take a look at Holt's gloves earlier in this thread. He's shown how to treat these lighter off white gloves to look closer to what we see in the film. The results are amazing. Even using bleach to get rid of the dark him colors.

I followed Holt's tips, but my gloves just did not darken up much after soaking them and drying them in the sun nor after applying pecards, and they definitely are still the same grayish white and not that great yellowish/tan that Oilsdale has achieved on his.

I did however get a coulple of pair od NOS gloves from RaideersBash so it is not that big a deal.

I treated my jacket with Obenauf's oil. Maybe adding a little dye to an oil like that would draw the dye into the fibers.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:51 am

I might give that a try when I get some free time.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:17 pm

just recieved my glove gift from my good friend Mike (Raidersbash)

they are perfect, love the detail and the sturdy feeling of them.

Thanks Bud