OK! im about to order a VERY Custom Wested Raiders! Checkit!

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:55 am

Hey guys, well here is going to be my order to wested.

I have always loved indys raider jacket because Raiders is just cool and it fits what indiana should be wearing in the 1930's. However i HATE seeing people wearing "bombers" around in real life, i feel like they look 80's, old guy, or just kind dorky. This is just my opinion and i know most of you guys LOVE your bombers and some are gonna hate what im doing, but to each his own!

I want a jacket that sorta keeps the spirit of the raiders jacket, but is more updated, a bit trendier, a jacket i could wear to a club with a nice outfit and it look nice, modern.

I have not yet approached wested with this, and i hope its something that they can do, and hopefully for not much more money, if anything i feel it makes the overall design of the jacket simpler.

So with out furhter ado: Raiders: 2003 style!

I would like to cross some elements from the Minority Report jacket such as the pockets and the collar style. But over all, still based on the “Raiders “ jacket.

I would like the Chris King Modifications made to this jacket, where applicable, in relation to the other modifications needed.

Modifications Needed:

Leather: Goatskin, very smooth with little to no grain visible if possible.

Color: Black with no grey tone/sheen.

Zipper: 8 gauge nickel zipper. Track to extend almost to the bottom of the jacket hem and be on Right Hand side.

Back panel: Top of panel extends all the way out to the inside edge of the sleeve seam.

Side straps: Rectangular slides, gun metal/black color, black or darkest color stitching used.

Side Vents “open out in the classic "V" shape without much effort. Leaving some stitching out so that they work in the same way as Ford's did originally.”

Action Pleats: elastic should be used in the design to keep action pleats from hanging out when not in use.

Pockets: 2 inside pockets, 1 "grail” style on right hand side of jacket inside with small strong zipper.

Arm gussets: YES

Cuff Size: 11 ½ measured on the inside

Jacket Length: Additional 1 inch length in total front side of jacket (if necessary) after looking at my measurement pictures. I don’t want the jacket to ride up in the front when zipped up with thicker shirt on. *peters choice on this issue*

Collar: Minority Report style collar, but no taller than 1 inch, no interface in collar unless necessary. Collar should stand up, but not be hard on the neck. I would like the collar to look like the collar in this picture below in size and shape.

Pockets: Minority report style pockets, 5 inch opening, larger pockets inside, heavy duty stitching for carrying heavier things around securely.

*minority report jacket pockets*
http://www.wested.com/MRPictures.htm

Extras: Name tag inside

Extras: Heavy duty loop inside for hanging

Lining: Cotton in the body and satin in the sleeves. Please use darkest color material.

Overall jacket size: “Original Raiders Fit “fitted look” not to loose or baggy.

So what do you guys think?!

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:49 am

I want a jacket that sorta keeps the spirit of the raiders jacket, but is more updated, a bit trendier, a jacket i could wear to a club with
a nice outfit and it look nice, modern.

So with out furhter ado: Raiders: 2003 style!

How is your jacket going to be trendy if you want it to be
last years style? Don't you mean 2004 style?

Even your post is out of date. You are just as bad as us old
guys who wear our bombers...

Your idea sounds nice, but you are going to pay alot for Peter
to do those types of changes.

You may be better off just asking for a regular Black Cafe Racer
jacket with a straight hem and cuffs.

Just remember this. That "old guy" bomber style you mock has been
around for over 70 years now. Your jacket will be out of date,
and you will be embarassed to wear it two years from now when
short collars are not "in style" anymore.

But the bombers will always be in style.

Flathead

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:27 am

Once you make major modifications like the collar, I do not think you should be calling it a "Raider's" jacket. Maybe you are ordering a custom Wested, but some of the items you are changing is what makes it an Indy jacket IMHO. Blasphemy, to me.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:43 am

It's certainly not my taste - even from a non-gearhead point of view - but hey, each to his own. It's not everybody's taste to wear a brown Fedora 24/7.

Well, what can I say? - Poor Peter...

I doubt that he'll make it for the same price as an real Indy jacket, as we're not talking the typical modifications and changes here, but a mix of two totally different jackets. He might need to create complete new patterns for this one.

As a note on the action pleats: as far as I remember, Peter once statet something like "the Indiana Jones jacket never had nor will have any elastic in it", so you might drop that idea.

I also think that interface WILL be necessary on the collar, if you want it to stand up.

I hope Peter reads this and let us all know, what he thinks about this project.

Regards,

Marc

IndianaCollins · Post by **IndianaCollins** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:05 am

I'm gonna be interested in seeing some pics when you get this jacket. it's gonna be interesting...

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:21 am

Ace Ventura said it best:

AAAAAAAaaaaal Righty Then!

I can just see the episode of "Queer Eye For The Straight Guy",

"On todays episode, were going to do a complete wardrobe makover on everyones favorite Adventurer/Archeologist, Indiana Jones.
First we'll start with that dirty jacket of his, then we'll have a look at that terrible bag. I suggest Fendi. The hat we'll keep, but we have to add a nice long feather. And don't get me started on those shoes. UUughh!"

Sorry, Mechinyun, not making fun of you, or your jacket choice.

This thread just made me think of a great skit for "Saturday Night Live"

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:49 am

As a note on the action pleats: as far as I remember, Peter once statet something like "the Indiana Jones jacket never had nor will
have any elastic in it", so you might drop that idea

Actually, if you ask Peter, he will do this for us now. There are
a few people here who have had this done to their Wested's
with good results. He does not like it, but he will do it.

Just for your info...

Flathead

auntsugar · Post by **auntsugar** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:58 am

Heck, the standard Raiders jacket is now a classic too. It is still trendy also.
I feel like getting on my Count Chocula soapbox again...

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:40 pm

Just fyi...

I wear my Wested Raiders lamb all the time to clubs and trendy places. It fits in perfect and looks great on casual Friday nights, dressy Saturdays, and many other events. However I do usually match the brown jacket with tan slacks/brown shoes or some derivative, but it's ark enough that you can wear it with black. So to be totally honest, the Raiders jacket is as trendy as it gets when you want to wear it in that environment. Wear a dressy shirt, tie, and slacks with it and you'll see what I mean.

So before you change it all around, try dressing up while wearing it. If however you want a "Scooter" type jacket, then I would just find one in a store or on the web and buy it, dont change the Raiders jacket all around. Just my opinion.

Shalimar · Post by **Shalimar** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:54 pm

Ummm.... okie

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:40 am

FLATHEAD wrote:
I want a jacket that sorta keeps the spirit of the raiders jacket, but is more updated, a bit trendier, a jacket i could wear to a club with a nice outfit and it look nice, modern.

So with out furhter ado: Raiders: 2003 style!
Just remember this. That "old guy" bomber style you mock has been
around for over 70 years now. Your jacket will be out of date,
and you will be embarassed to wear it two years from now when
short collars are not "in style" anymore.

But the bombers will always be in style.

mechinyun, if that's what you want then by all means go for it. I get quite a few compliments on my G & B pre-distressed cowhide when I go out with the folks from work so I think the 'bomber jackets' really don't go out of style. In fact, I saw a vintage A-2 tonight at our restaurant and I must say, it looked quite classy b/c he had taken great care of it.

But I think FLATHEAD has a point about the collar not being in style a few years from now. Perhaps you don't mind getting another jacket in a couple of years? Just something to consider----you know how fads are.

Just my .02 centavos,

I.J.

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:59 am

Well glad to see my ideas went over so well!!!

Just so everyone knows,i will most likely order a "standard" brown raiders wested to go along with my black custom. I have a new david morgan 10 footer ordered and i will gladly post picks of everything once it all arrives.

Dont feel im bustin on anyone for wearing there bombers out, just not my style to wear around and the word "trendy" is um ... very subjective

Someone mentioned that my ideas for my custom are like a "scooter" jacket. This is almost what im thinking of, however add about 950 more CC's and your there

More of crotch rocket jacket, i want this jacket to be functional to, helmets just fit and look better with the short collar IMO.

I think of it like this, i love the BACK of the raiders design with the pleats, buckels etc. But the i like more of a racing jacket FRONT with streamlined pockets and short collar.

Thanks for the input!

Trevelyan · Post by **Trevelyan** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:14 am

More of crotch rocket jacket, i want this jacket to be functional to, helmets just fit and look better with the short collar

Gosh, when I bought my leather dressing, I should have told that to all the biker guys at the Harley Davidson store. After all these years their helmets just don't look good or fit right, and they can't seem to realize it.

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:09 am

Trevelyan wrote:
More of crotch rocket jacket, i want this jacket to be functional to, helmets just fit and look better with the short collar
Gosh, when I bought my leather dressing, I should have told that to all the biker guys at the Harley Davidson store. After all these years their helmets just don't look good or fit right, and they can't seem to realize it.

"I should have told that to all the biker guys at the Harley Davidson store"

Yeah bro, lets see what these "bikers" know about wearing helmets and fashion sense. While im at it, ill attach some cool leather tassels and paint a rebel flag on my ducatti

I think we are referring to two diffrent types of bikers here

serisously though

Hey guys, you guys miss my "IMO" which in computer jargon means "in my opinion"

I dont expect everyone to agree with me. Its cool, no need for the harshness though.

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:12 am

Mechinyun,

Not everyone is man enough to ride a Harley. So have fun on your little scooter.

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:35 am

Magnum wrote:Mechinyun,

Not everyone is man enough to ride a Harley. So have fun on your little scooter.

I think your the first person to ignorantly describe my motorcycle as a scooter. Here is a picture to clairify the situation. Its a ducati full size motorcycle. It has a dispacement of 999 CC. Hence the name. I feel that my motorcyle would be far more powerful than a mere scooter.

If anyone would like to discuss motorcycles more in depth, please email me and i can point you to cool forums for motorcycles, scooters, rednecks, and how the 3 are similar or can be very different.

I think i have all the input i need for my ideas on doing things "out of the mold". I have another thread that i was asking for input on my "regular" indy "raiders" jacket. lets all go take a look there, i think it wil be less complicated of a topic.

/end

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:44 am

All I can say is that this "full moon" is something else. Keep it cool guys. To each his own. Keep the testosterone in between the lines.

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Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:20 am

I think you'll have a purdy decent jacket for biking with; and a more then purdy decent bike to wear it on!

Parts are pricey though...

But back on topic, I think Peter may charge more for this kind of modification, mainly due, as was mentioned, to the fact that you are making 2 jackets into 1, so new patterns might be needed.

However, I'm interested to see how this turns out. Sounds like you've got yourself quite the project, and while not officially an "indy jacket"--well if racing around on a 999 CC motorcycle isn't 'adventurous' then I don't know WHAT is!

REgards,
Farn

Trevelyan · Post by **Trevelyan** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:26 pm

Hey guys, you guys miss my "IMO" which in computer jargon means "in my opinion"

Of course it's your opinion, the fact that you write IMO is simply redundant. By coming into an Indiana Jones Jacket forum, and criticizing everyone here by saying our jackets "look 80's, old guy, or just kind dorky", you insulted me. And you then proceeded to insult another large group of proud people with your motorcyclist remarks. Even though I don't belong to the latter group, these types of remarks are out of line and unseen at COW. If you're merely interested in insulting us, then get your scooter jacket and stay away from these boards. However, if you're interested in staying, then accept the Indy culture, and change the attitude.

English Adventurer · Post by **English Adventurer** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:34 pm

Trevelyan, well said!

Ian

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:01 am

Trevelyan wrote:
Hey guys, you guys miss my "IMO" which in computer jargon means "in my opinion"
Of course it's your opinion, the fact that you write IMO is simply redundant.

Thats right, your whole "aggro" attitude was what i was trying to avoid, as i know some of this forum''s population falls into the "fanatic" stereotype. A person should not be totally blasted for having a diffrent OPINION. If you dont like, dont post here in MY thread about it. Simple and the adult way to handle things that you dont agree with.

And this goes to everyone else posting in this thread:

Lighten up, we are talking about LEATHER JACKETS.

And you then proceeded to insult another large group of proud people with your motorcyclist remarks

I havent insulted anyone. Most bikers are proud to dress and act the way they do no matter what anyone else thinks or does

If you're merely interested in insulting us, then get your scooter jacket and stay away from these boards.

Lithium, prozac, look into one or both, immediately. Again i dont know where you getting this from?

these types of remarks are out of line and unseen at COW

Your posts are the only ones that seem out of line to me, relax man, *see above.

change the attitude.

I think you need to tell this to yourself tough guy. My tone and intend of this thread is fun and light hearted, i read nothing but anger and immaturity with a bit of a green tint in yours.

ciao

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:22 am

Mechinyun,

Thats a cute scooter you have there. Only with scooters do you have to specify that they are "full size."

I'm sorry we couldn't help you with your jacket, but I do believe you can get the kind of information you're seeking on the "Queer Eye For A Straight Guy" website.

mechinyun · Post by **mechinyun** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:03 am

Magnum wrote:Mechinyun,

Thats a cute scooter you have there. Only with scooters do you have to specify that they are "full size."

I'm sorry we couldn't help you with your jacket, but I do believe you can get the kind of information you're seeking on the "Queer Eye For A Straight Guy" website.

Ok this thread has officially entered the "idiot" stage.

I am not replying to any more replies as they are not worth my time.

*sigh*

Ihatesnakes · Post by **Ihatesnakes** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:49 am

Afraid I've got to side with mechinyun here - some of these replies are downright embarrassing.

auntsugar · Post by **auntsugar** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:32 am

Looks like this one is about to go the way of the dodo...

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:28 am

Sorry for my harsh remarks. i hope deleting my post did some justice.
kindest regards

molorom

billy3ci · Post by **billy3ci** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:51 am

Trevelyan wrote:
Hey guys, you guys miss my "IMO" which in computer jargon means "in my opinion"
Of course it's your opinion, the fact that you write IMO is simply redundant. By coming into an Indiana Jones Jacket forum, and criticizing everyone here by saying our jackets "look 80's, old guy, or just kind dorky", you insulted me. And you then proceeded to insult another large group of proud people with your motorcyclist remarks. Even though I don't belong to the latter group, these types of remarks are out of line and unseen at COW. If you're merely interested in insulting us, then get your scooter jacket and stay away from these boards. However, if you're interested in staying, then accept the Indy culture, and change the attitude.

some of you are too sensitive!!! yikes, who cares if someone says something about your (my) beautiful indy jacket...its his OPINION. everyone has a right to their opinion and i don't think he was being mean or insulting. i think he had an idea and wanted to get some opinions.

auntsugar · Post by **auntsugar** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:58 am

Can we please get this thread back on track?
If you want that kind of jacket, get it. I personally wouldn't, but that's my taste. For what it's worth, I admire your attempt at a jacket that is "Indyish", but also "trendy" as you put it.
If ya got the dough, really want it, then more power to you pal.
If you get it, make sure you post some pics. I, for one would like to know how it turns out...
Oh, one more thing:

http://www.indygear.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:04 pm

Hey, he started it!. He said, that in his opinion, people who wear bombers look "80's, old guys, or just kinda dorky". His words.

Now considering this is a forum about the Indy outfit, AND his leather jacket, that most of us own and wear with pride, I find that comment insulting.

I agree that things went a little too far, but like they say,
"Don't start none, won't be none"

I actually think his vision of an "Indy biker" jacket is pretty cool, but then again, it is not an interpretation of an Indy jacket at all. I don't think it belonged in THIS forum, and didn't need to say that the lot of us look like "Kinda dorky 80's styled old guys.

Just my opinion.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:29 pm

One thing you must consider if you really want to wear this style jacket
on your bike is this:

The sleeves are going to ride up really bad when you get up to any real
kind of speed. Also, they will allow alot of air in, and they will balloon
up, and cause the jacket to balloon up as well.

I should know. I have been riding my "Crotch Rocket", a Honda VFR750,
for over 13 years now, and my Indy jacket is the worse one to wear while
riding.

Unless you get the jacket made with some rib knit type cuffs in either the
ends of the sleeves, or slightly inside the sleeves, so they are not noticable
from the outside, the jacket will be really hard to keep down.

Also, he is right about one thing. A regular jacket collar is NOT what
you want to have on a jacket when you are riding. Why? Because it
will flap around, up and down, like a birds wings, and slap you silly as
you ride!

The one thing you would do to fix this is to have hidden snaps put in
the collar, like on an A-2, so the collar can be secured down while
riding. The A-2 had this feature for this exact reason. So the collars
could be secured during flights, and not flap all over the place.

However, I still think you would be better off getting a Cafe Racer jacket.

If you check out a company called Aero Leather Company of Scotland,
you can order one from them, as they specialize in this type leather jacket
as well as really high end WWII repro jackets.

They have several right now, on sale, that fit EXACTLY what you are
looking for. Check them out! The hidden rib knit cuffs on some of them
are so well hidden, that you wouldn't even know they were there unless
you specifically were looking for them. And their prices right now on the
ones for sale are WAY better than if you start from a normal Indy jacket
from Wested, and then mod it like you want.

Plus, they are made from premium Front Quarter Horsehide or Buffalo hide, which is
really what you want in a leather bike jacket. You do not want a jacket
made from lightweight goatskin for your protection on your bike.

They can even make all the mods you want, and they don't usually charge
extra for them, as long as they fit the style of the jacket.

And you guys should give this kid a little slack. Thats what he is. Just a kid.
Once he has some life experience behind him, he will be able to carry
himself a little better in the way he comes across to people. He's
obviously not as old as some of us here, just by the way he writes in
his posts. So give him the break of not having that much experience
dealing with adults yet. Some young people are more mature than
others, as seen by some of the young people here who normally post
their jacket stories. They are very mature for their age. But for the
most part, you don't learn that in school. You learn that from life itself!

Flathead

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:00 pm

ok we were a little crazy i guess

I have always loved indys raider jacket because Raiders is just cool and it fits what indiana should be wearing in the 1930's

so your saying it fits his time period?

However i HATE seeing people wearing "bombers" around in real life, i feel like they look 80's, old guy, or just kind dorky

this quote was almost directed to everyone on the board because we are all here because we love the jacket. That comment made me feel a little bad and stupid. and am i mistaken or were the 1930's not real life at 1 point in time?

This is just my opinion

ok good you admited it, just your opinion, thats ok with me now i guess.

I want a jacket that sorta keeps the spirit of the raiders jacket, but is more updated, a bit trendier, a jacket i could wear to a club with a nice outfit and it look nice, modern.

i thought you just said you hated bomber jackets? And now you want a jacket that keeps the spirit of a bomber? that is what is confusing me(and probaly all of us). I dont think it's a indy jacket you are looking for, I dono its just a odd opinion you have i guess. Well im sorry about what i said before, its your own opinion and i should not be all over you cause its diffrent from my opinion. Its just as normal as how i like to eat sushi and others do not. Its your own opinion. well good luck in finding your indy/biker jacket.
kindest regards

Molorom