Neil Cooper Raiders jacket

Indyzane · Post by **Indyzane** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:47 pm

Sorry to be redundant but what's a ballpark idea on a release date?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:54 pm

Based on what we've experienced with the 'hero' and New Zealand lambskin jackets, considering the forms will not be sent out until Sept. 1st, I would guess mid to late September myself.

It all depends on the numbers and volume of sales as to the turnaround.

Regards! Michaelson

Indyzane · Post by **Indyzane** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:06 pm

Thanks M! Sorry

to bother just thinking about the Halloween costume this year and this jacket is going to be perfect!

Forrest For the Trees · Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:07 pm

Mountaineer wrote: Perhaps, a little wobbly on if I really needed another jacket.

Ummm... no one needs another jacket around here!! I have promised my fiancee that I will be selling four of my leather jackets this fall.

You know, Sarge is smart to stagger the release of these film jackets to one each year. That way, each of us insane nuts can justify buying each of them... "Well, I haven't bought a new jacket in a year..."

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:08 pm

Just to say, you're not bothering anyone at all, Zane! That's a good question, and is another factor folks need to consider, timing wise.

Yep, Forest, it's a good justification....I think....at least worth a try!

Regards! Michaelson

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:27 pm

Sgt. wrote:
Cassidy wrote:Sarge, I put my name on the list today and asked for a standard size (L) which I am ok with. Should I re-submit my numerical sizing with hide preference or would that be done at a later date? Thanks.
You are okay.. We will contact you and get all the requested information before Your Collectors Neil Cooper Radiers Jacket is made for you!! Neil will send out a form via e-mail and just fill in all the information ... We will start sending out the Forms Sept. 1,2010 .
Sarge

Since a form is being sent out for us to fill out information on the jacket, does this mean these will be treated as custom jackets?

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:41 pm

Any chance we'll get some photos of the jacket before USW starts taking orders?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:48 pm

St. Dumas wrote:Any chance we'll get some photos of the jacket before USW starts taking orders?

All we know is:

We will not supply any information about how the Collector Neil Cooper Raiders jacket is made until they have been released due to the fact there are some people out and about that would love to pass on Information about how Neil Cooper is Making his Raiders Jacket.
Sarge

Regards! Michaelson

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:21 pm

Want to know what the jacket will look like? Watch the movie...something like that

Rick Deckard · Post by **Rick Deckard** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:33 pm

scot2525 wrote:
Sgt. wrote:
Cassidy wrote:Sarge, I put my name on the list today and asked for a standard size (L) which I am ok with. Should I re-submit my numerical sizing with hide preference or would that be done at a later date? Thanks.
You are okay.. We will contact you and get all the requested information before Your Collectors Neil Cooper Radiers Jacket is made for you!! Neil will send out a form via e-mail and just fill in all the information ... We will start sending out the Forms Sept. 1,2010 .
Sarge

Since a form is being sent out for us to fill out information on the jacket, does this mean these will be treated as custom jackets?

To echo Scott2525's sentiments, I too would like to know whether these are going to be custom tailored. It sounds like they might be...why else the reason for the measurements? Or it could be a way to make sure that they're sending out the correctly sized jacket the first time 'round, thereby reducing the need for exchanges.

Anyone have any ideas?

My guess is they'll be made in standard sizes and the measurements will be a better way of telling people what size they'll need to order. I'm just thinking 'out loud', so to speak.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:50 pm

I have no idea what will be on the form that Neil Cooper will be sending out, but from what little I HAVE heard/read, they will more than likely NOT be custom. We're talking about a LOT of jackets here. He never said the form would need 'measurements'. He just said Neil would be sending out a form.

The quote is:

We will contact you and get all the requested information before Your Collectors Neil Cooper Radiers Jacket is made for you!! Neil will send out a form via e-mail and just fill in all the information ... We will start sending out the Forms Sept. 1,2010 .
Sarge

That could also mean name, address, signature or not, and size.

I'm thinking if they go with the numerical sizing,, the form will just be to confirm requested standard size so they can get a count on how many of each they'll need on an individual basis rather than a general guess to what sizes they'll need to fill orders, like they did for the 'hero' jackets.

That said, mine is just a guess too.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Holt** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:52 pm

Im with Michaelson. I have not heard of any custom jackets.

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:01 pm

How will the calfskin be compared to the striated lamb in terms of texture, weight, etc.?

Also is it to be assumed calfskin is the same price as striated lamb?

theman · Post by **theman** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:04 pm

Sgt. I would hope there would at least be a Ford sized hero somewhere in th fit range... should members specify the request for that in the email to Myke if that is the desired size vs. S/M/L?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:08 pm

As of this morning, I believe the decision was to go with regular sizing INSTEAD of the S-M-L etc, but I'll leave it to David to confirm that's the direction they're going to go.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:14 pm

Michaelson wrote:As of this morning, I believe the decision was to go with regular sizing INSTEAD of the S-M-L etc, but I'll leave it to David to confirm that's the direction they're going to go.

Regards! Michaelson

That would make more sense, since Neil will be asking our measurements

Kentucky Blues · Post by **Kentucky Blues** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:08 pm

Tennessee Smith wrote: That would make more sense, since Neil will be asking our measurements

That hasn't entirely been confirmed, only that Neil will be sending out a form asking something. Which could be measurements, but could also not.

-KB

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:12 pm

I'm absolutely in for one, but curious if the back panel is going to be attached closer to the shoulder seam on the Collector jacket?
Mike

theman · Post by **theman** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:23 pm

Maybe I am not being clear... if this indeed a %100 accurate replica of what Neil created originally to fit on Ford I would hope that there is a 1:1 base size somewhere in the sizes offered. I can already get a 1:1 Ford sized replica of the original Raiders from Nowak Originals, so just making sure I can get the same great fit if ordering from Wings as well since I have yet to see an accurate fit from them for me or anyone in the Fordish frame.
I would think Neil having made one of the original hero jackets would be offering that exact pattern within this group of sizes, so I am just asking the source if that is what we can expect.

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:45 pm

yeah order that size

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:47 pm

Kentucky Blues wrote:
Tennessee Smith wrote: That would make more sense, since Neil will be asking our measurements
That hasn't entirely been confirmed, only that Neil will be sending out a form asking something. Which could be measurements, but could also not.

-KB

You're right I just glanced through the thread and didn't read the fine print of what Michaelson wrote earlier.

theman · Post by **theman** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:17 pm

HWalt - was that a suggestion on what size to order, or are you saying you would like to order a Ford size as well? Not quite getting the jist of your post...

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:38 pm

I mean order that size. Isn't it a 44? More specs on Sep. 1st it sounds like.

Yes, that is my size and yes, I ordered one!!

(stoked, too)

H

that_dog · Post by **that_dog** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:05 pm

Ford was closer to a 40 for Raiders.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:27 pm

Actually the 'Ford size' jacket sizing is about the same for all the movies. His jacket requirement measurements don't seem to have change much over time.

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:37 pm

oops I meant 40...

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:39 am

nicktheguy wrote:Want to know what the jacket will look like? Watch the movie...something like that

Spoken like a typical Canucks fan.

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:43 am

So the Raiders wil be calfskin or striated lamb?......will there be a choice?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:52 am

PSBIndy wrote:So the Raiders wil be calfskin or striated lamb?......will there be a choice?

Choice of both as I understand it.

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:11 am

St. Dumas wrote:
nicktheguy wrote:Want to know what the jacket will look like? Watch the movie...something like that
Spoken like a typical Canucks fan.

Gotta say I am not too fond of the Canucks these days - they keep breaking our hearts....don't know if I can take another roller coaster year with them - rather just stay a fan of the multiple leather offerings around here this fall

theman · Post by **theman** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:24 am

HWalt - I get what you're trying to say now... I hope it is as simple as that. I am sure once Mr. Cooper and Wings have the grading set they will be able to tell us that if we want a 1:1 Ford Hero sized jacket we should order the 42R for example, that was the point of me asking the question... just wondering what we put in the email to Myke other than "I want a jacket."
Hopefully they are starting with the original pattern AND sizing of the Hero then spec'ing out all the other sizes from there and not going with the present US Wings fitment, which sets the sleeves too short and wide, the bodies too long and wide, back panel too narrow, etc. etc.
I know all too well trying to make a jacket to fit the masses is crazy difficult, but I believe the point of this offering is to finally get a jacket that actually is like the original from an original creator of one of the movie jackets after all the years of the fans wanting just that. It kinda stinks that after all these decades we have to basically custom spec a jacket with various makers that were supposedly linked to Raiders like the "Six Degrees of Kevon Bacon" to even come close, and hopefully this offering breaks some of that trend and comes close to what we can get from a great maker replicating an actual seen on screen jacket.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:00 am

I'm really excited to see the final results of these Indy jackets. It'll be great to get a 100% standard screen-accurate hero Indy jacket from each of the movies w/out having to request those features; regardless of whom the vendor may be. I sent Myke an email to be placed on the list for the Temple O' Doom jacket if its not too early to do so

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I apologize if this is an elementary question to ask - but is calfskin more durable than the lamb? If so, how much more so? I've owned a few lambskin jackets before in the past and I pledged to avoid purchasing another simply because I'm hard on clothing and haven't had much personal luck in keeping them from getting ripped or torn at one point or another. Although I can be partial to the goatskin, I may tender the possibility in purchasing the calfskin if it is a durable hide once the Temple jackets are made available...

Overall, my compliments to Sarge both for his service for our country and taking on this project for us die-hard Indy fans!

All the best,
Aaron

Mountaineer · Post by **Mountaineer** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:30 am

The Man, you pretty much nailed all you need to say in your email to Wings.

I said I was a member here, gave my screen name, said I had seen this thread and wished to be added to the list.

I also inquired about what measurements they needed from me at this time, and they replied back; none, that request for information would come from them sometime in the future.

Very quick correspondence too.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:01 am

Calfskin is more durable than lambskin. I'd say it falls just below cowhide in tensile strength.

I've owned a calfskin jacket, and it was as light as lambskin, but a lot tougher.

Regards! Michaelson

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:07 am

Wow, just wow. This is some seriously good news! Time to figure out if I can afford it.

Regards, Geert

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:38 am

Captain D wrote:I'm really excited to see the final results of these Indy jackets. It'll be great to get a 100% standard screen-accurate hero Indy jacket from each of the movies w/out having to request those features; regardless of whom the vendor may be. I sent Myke an email to be placed on the list for the Temple O' Doom jacket if its not too early to do so .

I apologize if this is an elementary question to ask - but is calfskin more durable than the lamb? If so, how much more so? I've owned a few lambskin jackets before in the past and I pledged to avoid purchasing another simply because I'm hard on clothing and haven't had much personal luck in keeping them from getting ripped or torn at one point or another.

I could be wrong but I'm not sure there will be a choice of leathers for the Temple jacket. I understood it to be that there will be a choice for Raiders but the rest will be matched to the movie jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:57 am

I believe that's correct, crismans.

Regards! Michaelson

cyrano · Post by **cyrano** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:44 am

as light as lambskin, but a lot tougher

Sounds like the perfect choice.

Any drawback explaining why calfskin never was offered by our vendors ?

jack

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:50 am

It was probably too difficult to work with.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:50 am

cyrano wrote:
as light as lambskin, but a lot tougher
Sounds like the perfect choice.

Any drawback explaining why calfskin never was offered by our vendors ?

jack

Not even sure if this was on anyone's radar until _'s thread regarding the Cooper jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:07 am

This info has been out there for years. _ pushed hard trying to get vendors to make them....No vendors wanted to invest in calfskin hides for this one jacket all these years. How many times has _ dropped the hint in threads over the years "still trying to get my calfskin version....", even at Indyfan?

The first I'm personally aware of was Todd, and he made his first round of customs out of calfskin. I don't know if HE'S even using it now.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:09 am

I dont think it fits anymore...

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:28 am

Michaelson wrote:This info has been out there for years. _ pushed hard trying to get vendors to make them....No vendors wanted to invest in calfskin hides for this one jacket all these years. How many times has _ dropped the hint in threads over the years "still trying to get my calfskin version....", even at Indyfan?

The first I'm personally aware of was Todd, and he made his first round of customs out of calfskin. I don't know if HE'S even using it now.

Regards! Michaelson

You're right! Man have I ever been clueless!

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:04 am

No, not really, old friend.

We (and I include myself in this 'we') have been told repeatedly every jacket was lambskin.

It was those few 'voices in the wilderness' who told us it was calfskin, but we followed the crowd. I only came around during the Expedition project with _ back in 2000 or so.

I beat the drum with Wings for well over a decade that they needed to make this jacket....but of the material I was still 'blinded' by the convential postings of the time. I 'knew', but I really didn't give it much more thought than that!

So, you're not the Lone Ranger!

Regards! Michaelson

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:12 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:It was probably too difficult to work with.

Nice.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:18 am

whipcracker · Post by **whipcracker** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:21 pm

OK, it's done! I just emailed Myke to get on the list. Last night I explained what is going over here at COW and Wings to my wife, who did urge me to get a HERO jacket in cow, she said it was a terrific price but said to wait if it wasn't "the one"; anyway, she said it was good that I had waited and asked me why wasn't I on the list yet! Wow what a gem I have! If jackets are going out presumably the middle of Sept. it will be just in time for my 35th birthday!

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:24 pm

Sounds to me like you have a 'keeper' there, my friend!

HIGH regards! Michaelson

sharkboy · Post by **sharkboy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:00 pm

I put my name down for the Striated lamb based on pictures I had seen from other vendors versions, but I am torn between the lamb and the calf based on the discussion that it was calf in the original. I really wish there was a way to view a leather sample, but I realize that is difficult. any thoughts on calf vs lamb for the Raiders?

SB

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:18 am

any thoughts on calf vs lamb for the Raiders?

I don't think you know what a can of worms is there, my friend.