Last Crusade jacket thread

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:06 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:yes. I have been thinking of this myself.

I mean, I love the smithsonian pockets. they are uniqe. but I love the chicago type collar and sleeves.

the only jacket that has round collar tips is the motorcycle jacket. the rest has pointy pretty much like CS.

Im struggling here.... I dont know which jacket is my favorite.

I did go with the Smithsonian pockets and the Chicago sleeves. I think I went with the Chicago collar as well but I need to refresh my memory of the differences.

I say combine what you like of the LC jackets and make your own favorite LC. Like I said, this is the approach I ended up going with.

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:45 pm

I agree with Holt that the flap looks wider than 1.75". Here is a pic of my jacket with a 2" wide flap and to me it looks pretty close.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:52 pm

very, very close. I would love to see this jacket in full shot.

how old is this jacket? did you request a 2'' stormflap?

so this is 2''. you 100% sure?

thanx for posting this

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:00 pm

Yep, it´s really 2" I just measured it again for you. The jacket is 5 months old and I requested the wider flap. My old Raiders jacket (late 2000 or early 2001) did also have a 2" wide flap and I always thought it looked very LC like.
At the moment I don´t have a good full shoot of the jacket handy but I´ll try to post one tomorrow.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:00 pm

Tremolo, can you show it with a tape measure please, so we can see between which points you are measuring?

The storm flap on my USWings jacket looks wider than what you show and it measures 1-5/8" from the edge to the zipper stitch line.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:06 pm

Tremolo, I see that's a modern Wested LC collar. So did you request the wider storm flap for your jacket?

That's the same width storm flap I have on my 2001 Wested Raiders. (You saved me the task of posting a photo of it.)

SD

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:13 pm

Alright here is a picture of the flap together with a tape measure. Yes I did request a wider storm flap.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:okay. I did some further looking into this.

now you convince me that this original stormflap doesnt look wider then the standard LC stormflap width at 1.75''

you can tell the space between the distress lines on the stormflap.this is what I ment in one of my posts on page 7. there is more unaged skin in the middle of the stormflap on the original then you can get when aging a standard 1.75'' flap.

even though we say it is safe to get a 1.75'' flap doesnt mean it is correct. I think it is wider.

JMO

Holt, which jacket is that on the left? One thing to note is the distress line along the oure edge is much wider than on the film cap jacket. that alone will make the center area look narrower.

Take a look at 2" on a tape...it's too wide for a good looking storm flap, especially if you add distressing of the LC type

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:17 pm

Tremolo wrote:Alright here is a picture of the flap together with a tape measure. Yes I did request a wider storm flap.

thank you Tremolo. That's a very wide storm flap. When you get a chance can you have a picture taken of the whole jacket front, and wearing it?

Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:17 pm

Tremolo wrote:Alright here is a picture of the flap together with a tape measure. Yes I did request a wider storm flap.

perfect! LC all the way!

Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:56 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Holt, which jacket is that on the left? One thing to note is the distress line along the oure edge is much wider than on the film cap jacket. that alone will make the center area look narrower.

Take a look at 2" on a tape...it's too wide for a good looking storm flap, especially if you add distressing of the LC type

I think with some distressing it becomes perfect for LC. now it has some space to add those distress lines in the middle without looking like you forced them in there.

doesnt this look correct to you? it looks perfect in my eyes.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:20 pm

sorry, but the stormflap is very close to 2'' if not 2'' it has to be.

the bag strap is one inch wide.

I pasted the strap on the flap. give or take 2mm. even still if it you take of 2mm, it is still wider then 1.75''

so IMO the flap is close to 2'' if not 2''. case closed for me...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:38 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:sorry, but the stormflap is very close to 2'' if not 2'' it has to be.

the bag strap is one inch wide.

I pasted the strap on the flap. give or take 2mm. even still if it you take of 2mm, it is still wider then 1.75''

so IMO the flap is close to 2'' if not 2''. case closed for me...

Well if the bag strap is 1" and you have the scale correct, that flap from outer edge to zipper stitch line appears to be less than 2"
Perhaps 1-3/4" but I still say somewhere between 1-1/2 and 1-3/4"

We are looking at the strap off of square (so it's width scale is smaller) and the storm flap almost square on.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:54 am

Since we're all going by pictures, I'll have to ask for a comparison of the press studs in both jackets. Either the one used in film is larger than the one on the other picture, or storm flap may not be that wide. I mean, in the LC screenshot, the press stud seems to fill up the center of the flap nicely, while in the other picture, the press stud first of all is not centered, and secondly, if centered, I am assuming it would still not fill up the flap the same way the LC press stud does.

Also, the size of the distressing marks in relation to the 'center' of the flap is not a good argument, because without knowing the actual distressing methods used, it is very likely that the distressing marks on one jacket is wider than the other. Hence the smaller 'center'.

Finally, while I think it is very possible that the LC flap may be wider than the previous film jackets, part of it may also be an optical illusion due to the collar not extending as far into the storm flap.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:37 am

Finally, while I think it is very possible that the LC flap may be wider than the previous film jackets, part of it may also be an optical illusion due to the collar not extending as far into the storm flap.

looks like the same width to me. even though the collar goes further in to the stormflap on the left picture.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:49 pm

Here is a 2" wide flap. WIDE

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:24 pm

RC, I'll take your word if that's a 2-inch stormflap. My 2001 Wested's stormflap is 2 inches wide and looks nothing like that. That's massive.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:40 pm

St. Dumas wrote:....... My 1981 Wested's stormflap is 2 inches wide and looks nothing like that. .......

St Dumas you have a 1981 Raiders jacket from Wested?

Anyway don't get me wrong, if someone wants a 2" wide stormflap on their jacket it's up to them. i just don't believe the LC jacket flap was that wide.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:03 pm

Oops, I meant 2001 Wested. (I must have been daydreaming again...)

Post by **Holt** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:07 pm

RCSignals wrote:Here is a 2" wide flap. WIDE

thats two inch?

man that looks like 3''

if thats a two inch stormflap then no way will I get this on my jacket.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:32 pm

I think that's three inches. It's as wide as that cuff is tall.

SD

Post by **Holt** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:34 pm

yeah. exactly..

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:25 pm

except the cuffs are 2", as on an Eastman a-2
What is different about that storm flap is it is sewn on as a separate piece

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:44 pm

On the left is my 2001 Wested Raiders with a 2-inch wide stormflap. On the right is a 2008 Wested CS prototype with a 1.5-inch wide stormflap.

SD

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:33 am

As promised here is a picture of the whole jacket front and worn.
I´m really sure that with a SA distressing the stormflap would look fantastic.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:02 pm

Need any help?

Kyle

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:15 pm

Thank you very much Kyle, I´m sure it would look great and I would love to have you doing the distressing. But sadly I have to let this jacket go.
But I´ll keep that in mind!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:53 pm

I think the popper Wested uses is the same size, and I would even hazard that it is fitted with the same machine. The first one is from an older jacket and seems to exhibit a similar stamp pattern, the later jacket in the middle looks like they adjusted the weight of the stamping and caused less patterning on the popper face.

I have problems with a 2" flap, 1.75" I feel is pushing it.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:03 pm

Kt Templar wrote:......

I have problems with a 2" flap, 1.75" I feel is pushing it.
............

Agreed Kt

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:24 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:okay. I did some further looking into this.

now you convince me that this original stormflap doesnt look wider then the standard LC stormflap width at 1.75''

you can tell the space between the distress lines on the stormflap.this is what I ment in one of my posts on page 7. there is more unaged skin in the middle of the stormflap on the original then you can get when aging a standard 1.75'' flap.

even though we say it is safe to get a 1.75'' flap doesnt mean it is correct. I think it is wider.

JMO
Holt, which jacket is that on the left? One thing to note is the distress line along the oure edge is much wider than on the film cap jacket. that alone will make the center area look narrower.

Take a look at 2" on a tape...it's too wide for a good looking storm flap, especially if you add distressing of the LC type

I believe the jacket on the left is my current LC.

Kyle

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:17 pm

ok guys. here is the perfect way to illustrate that the orignal LC jacket HAD huge armholes. just like wested does them today and just like I thought.

http://sweetfuzz.com/wp-content/uploads ... e-1603.jpg

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:39 pm

It really looks like cow hide in that photo.

The arm hole isn't that large, but larger than Raiders.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:44 pm

yes, your correct. larger then raiders. this is just the same size as on my LC jacket.

D · Post by D » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:43 pm

I just don't know what to think about the Kurtz jacket. In the tank scene HF is wearing a jacket with some bad distressing that resembles the Kurtz jacket, whether it is or not. So maybe it did get some screen time?

http://indygear.com/igbag.html

The pics are towards the bottom. Sorry I'm on my phone so I couldn't add the pix as normal to show a side by side shot like I'm looking at.

Post by **Holt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:49 am

Kurtz is not screen used.

there are two main jackets used. the chicago jacket and the smithsonian jacket. the smithsonian is in the tank scene.

D · Post by D » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:55 am

I didn't mean the tank scene as a whole. The part where he is hanging off the tank because his bag strap is stuck on it and he's getting hit with the shovel. If you look at the pix posted in the gear story on the main page that I provided the link too, you can see the distressing on the jacket looks somewhat like the Kurtz jacket.

Post by **Holt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:58 pm

THAT is the smithsonian jacket!

the collarstand configuration on the kurtz and the smithsonaina are different

Post by **Holt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:14 pm

the jacket kept by Ford has really high side strap placement. I saw that in that video were he kissed karen allen. I suspect it is the motorcycle scene jacket by the crossroad b/c of the side strap placement. they match up in height.

unlike the smithsonian jacket which has low strap placement. like wested do them today.

Kurtz: first jacket in topic

http://filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8

Post by **Holt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:17 pm

oh, here you go.

this is stamped as the Kurtz

Front

Back

Collar Snaps

Side Adjustment Strap

Action Pleat detail

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:29 pm

What happened to the Chicago jacket? There has been some convincing evidence in a thread around here somewhere that it was the jacket that we see in the castle scenes and probably the Zeppelin scenes as well. Holt, I remember you were on that thread quite a bit.

Is it still in Chicago? If not, this might be the jacket that Ford took home.

I personally think (based a lot on the hard work of Indiana Strones and others) that the Smithsonian jacket is the jacket used primarily in the tank fight scenes.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:20 am

_ wrote:Had a chance to view Fords again. If I had not been told by Lee it was horse, I'd say it was really nice cow or steer. It feels like a good 5-6lb jacket.

Horse? Whatchoo talkin' bout, _?

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:43 am

Thanks man - that is totally enlightening. I wonder if this is the same jacket that HF was wearing in the promo shots/cover of Premiere Magazine roundabout the time LC was released. That jacket didn't look like any lamb/cow I've ever seen...but I'm not an expert with opinions, just a fan.

This is a good read.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:40 am

Holt,

Didn't the original LC jackets use ni-pple snaps, instead of this version you show, which is labled the Kurtz jacket?

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:55 am

Texan Scott wrote:Holt,

Didn't the original LC jackets use ni-pple snaps, instead of this version you show, which is labled the Kurtz jacket?

Can't write n****e snaps any more? It was fine a few weeks ago

They're called post snaps anyway by most people, so there's always that one to use

Regards, Geert

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:11 am

On the pocket, yes.

This would have to be a deep pockets to allow the diary to sit that far down.

Does any one have official dimensions for this diary?

Post by **Holt** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:13 am

16cm x 10cm.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:23 am

Indiana Holt wrote:16cm x 10cm.

Perfect, that's the size of my Sulla diary.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:46 pm

ahhh i see the snaps! the new todds uses these snaps too, i was wondering why he had changed them from the snaps they used, which also wested uses.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:57 pm

Watched LC with an eye to the collar stand this past weekend. I am convinced Ford's collar stand is taller than 1 inch in order for the seam to be in the centre of the collar fold on Ford's right side. A one-inch stand wouldn't have the room to fold over like that. I think the stand on that jacket is 1.25 inches.

Of course, these things can be scaled up or down with the size of the jacket, but on Ford's, it looks to be taller than 1 inch. (At least on the jacket that's in the Grail temple and castle scenes.)

SD

Post by **Holt** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:01 pm

I too was in the same boat as you dumas but after seeing my magnoli fold the exact same way like the film jacket does it probably is 1'' and is just an illusion.

same with th stormflap. I was convinced it was wider then 1.75'' when seeing it on screen. after I distressed my magnoli jacket it looks as wide as the one on screen. so I think alot of what we see is an illusion.

except when we see things like different constructed collarstands.etc. then its more then just an ''illusion.'' its fact.