Last Crusade jacket thread

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:24 pm

Dark CS or Happy Cow.
The Italian Cowhide is a higher dollar hide.

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:55 am

Much has been said of 'soft goat'.
If I were purchasing a jacket now, I'd be tempted to give it a go.
JTW.

Rikimaru · Post by **Rikimaru** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:24 am

RC- What is the happy cow? I don't recall reading anything about it or seeing pictures

But I'm aware of the price of the italiain cowhide and I'm not concerned about that. I just wanted to see which is closer to the color seen on screen; that or the dark CS. Thx

Han Jones · Post by **Han Jones** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:34 am

I have both dark CS and italian cow and I think dark CS is closer.

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:17 pm

Hey guys,

Got to say I like this thread! The LC Jacket has to be my favourite!!!

So far I've mainly hung around the Prop Replicating and General Prop Discussion sections of the forum and don't have any Indy Gear except a few web belts and a bag... got some catching up to do I know

I'm sure most of you have seen this link, but if not here you go:

http://www.kennydrew.com/Indylounge/indyjacket.htm

Anyway I am looking forward to seeing the new Holt LC Jacket and hearing all about the specs you asked for!!

Thanks,

GeordieIndy

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:03 pm

I wouldn't take much of the information in that link as Gospel Geordie

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:30 pm

RCSignals wrote:I wouldn't take much of the information in that link as Gospel Geordie

OK, thanks! For me it was just good to see the collection of screen grabs.

What about this link:

http://filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8

Can someone please tell me if the two following jackets are film used jackets and if they are from LC? (Pictures are from a google search)

http://image22.webshots.com/22/4/57/44/ ... SYA_ph.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1170/807 ... eb.jpg?v=0

Moderators: If me posting these links is not cool please tell me and I will remove them!

Thanks,

GeordieIndy

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:05 pm

Not trying to sound condescending at all, but do a search on the LC jacket here. There are a few very good threads that break down the differences between the two main jackets. That's what I did and then combined the features from both that I liked to make my personal jacket.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:11 pm

Geordie,

The first link isn't working but the second one is the Smithsonian jacket and If I'm not mistaken it is the same one shown on filmjackets.com.

If you really want to track down the details of the LC jacket do a search for the screen grabs and studio shots out there, there are some very high res resources out there if you dig deep enough.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:14 pm

first jacket is the kurtz jacket. claimed to be an LC but it has very very poor LC details. not a screen used jacket. I believe it was made after the production. it was sold at an auction and just before it was put on display it was given a quick backroom distressing with some sand paper.

second: this jacket I dont know what is. It can be screen used. but it is not the smithsonian jacket or the jacket displayed at the chicago museum. maby it is a stunt jacket.

third jacket is the smithsonian jacket. screen used. end of story.

please do a search. there is tons of info on this.

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:14 am

Cheers for the info!!

I will start digging through our other threads!!

GeordieIndy

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:24 pm

Hey does anyone have any info about the Hero jacket and the Smithsonian jacket?

Kyle

Post by **Holt** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:44 am

what?

come on, serious?

really?

use the search, there is tons of info on this!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:37 am

You know, I'm curious if the lighter CS leather would fit the bill at all... Come to think of it, I don't think too many folks have been ordering that lighter CS leather besides the first batch! Pity, as I think that was/is probably my favorite Nowak leather.

And does anyone else agree with me that the best LC jackets are the minimally distressed ones? I'm thinking along the lines of the castle/motorbike moments, when the jacket still looked relatively clean...

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:03 am

The first post I ever made on "Indyfan" ten years ago, was about the LC jacket being in the 1992 Christian Slater movie; "Kuffs".

They've been playing the movie lately, and I was watching it on a 110" screen.... There is no doubt it was a jacket made for, even possibly used, in LC. Has anyone ever researched this? How it made it's way into the movie, etc? If you've never seen the movie, check it out, as the LC jacket gets tons of screen time.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:11 am

DeWayne wrote:The first post I ever made on "Indyfan" ten years ago, was about the LC jacket being in the 1992 Christian Slater movie; "Kuffs".

They've been playing the movie lately, and I was watching it on a 110" screen.... There is no doubt it was a jacket made for, even possibly used, in LC. Has anyone ever researched this? How it made it's way into the movie, etc? If you've never seen the movie, check it out, as the LC jacket gets tons of screen time.

I'd wager that it wasn't a leftover jacket from LC, but rather a Indy-style jacket made by Wested. The color just seems too dark (gray? black?), though I guess we all know how that goes, and color is among the most debatable topics here... But the lining? Well, the lining is striped!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:45 am

Maybe it was the 'Kurtz' jacket

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:47 am

Castor Dioscuri wrote:You know, I'm curious if the lighter CS leather would fit the bill at all... Come to think of it, I don't think too many folks have been ordering that lighter CS leather besides the first batch! Pity, as I think that was/is probably my favorite Nowak leather.

I think most of the CS jackets are still made witht eh original leather. i like it as well.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:And does anyone else agree with me that the best LC jackets are the minimally distressed ones? I'm thinking along the lines of the castle/motorbike moments, when the jacket still looked relatively clean...

they all have the 'unnatural' distressing effect though

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:24 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:what?

come on, serious?

really?

use the search, there is tons of info on this!

lol TOTALLY JOKING

Kyle

Post by **Holt** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:06 pm

I found the Chicago jacket.

I allways believed that this was screen used.

this jacket is also the same jacket in the end scene at the grail temple when Hendry is shot!

here is why.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:20 pm

I tend to agree with you that the Chicago jacket was used in the Zeppelin scene and the castle scenes as well (although I've not done any research with screen caps, what have you, on the castle jacket. I'm only going by the more tapered sleeves).

And I remember the thread where Indystrones (I believe) made a very convincing argument that the Smithsonian jacket was the one used in the tank scenes.

Post by **Holt** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:29 pm

yep. the tank scene jacket is the smithsonian jacket

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:33 pm

Where else was the 'tank scene jacket' used?

could the Chicago jacket then be the 'main' Hero jacket?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:56 pm

Hmm, I'm not sure now about the Chicago jacket being in the castle scenes (at least some of them anyway). Of course, it's always dangerous to use screen caps for this type of stuff but you use what's available.

This one doesn't show the collar end (for the telltale mark Holt circled above) but it does show another patch of distressing near the end that doesn't appear to be there on the Chicago jacket.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/191.jpg

This one does show the collar end. I'm having trouble seeing that distress mark on the tip here.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/215.jpg

And the motorcycle chase jacket collar tips (as Holt has pointed out in the past) appear to be much more rounded than any of the other featured jackets.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/243.jpg

And as an aside, I must be getting spoiled by looking at all of the fine hatmaker's work here. Do you see that ugly bow on that hat?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:05 am

The collar of the motorcycle jacket looks badly shaped. The collar looks like thin leather but the rest of the jacket looks heavy/thick like cowhide

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:28 pm

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/191.jpg

I adjusted the tones in PS so you could see that the distressing IS there, just hidden by shadow

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/215.jpg

Same goes for this, just too much shadow to see the detail

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/243.jpg

As for this, I think it's just the way the collar is touching the rest of the jacket that gives the appearance of a rounded tip.

Kyle

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:30 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I found the Chicago jacket.

I allways believed that this was screen used.

this jacket is also the same jacket in the end scene at the grail temple when Hendry is shot!

here is why.

This is good work buddy,
I too thought the Hero jacket was used in the Zeppellin scene and you've cracked it with the Chicago jacket.

It's maybe the case that a second identicle jacket was used in the early Brunwald scenes, although it could be the same one.
JTW.

In reference to our last correspondence - looking at the detail on the Smithsonian jacket, I can't imagine any hide other than lambskin being "time worn" in such a specific way.
The lamb has a texture which seems to take to distressing very naturally, especially the seams.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:17 pm

Thanks knibs. Your work begins to bring me back to my original thought that the, what I believe most here, call the "hero" jacket was used in the zeppelin scenes and the castle scenes and is now what we call the Chicago jacket. The Smithsonian jacket was used in the tank scenes.

As for the motorcycle scenes, at least with a admittedly cursory glance, there does seem to be more rounded collars on that jacket.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/241.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/228.jpg

Does anyone know if this shot was on the motorcycle reshoot or from the first shoot?

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/223.jpg

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:20 pm

jones the whip wrote:..........
In reference to our last correspondence - looking at the detail on the Smithsonian jacket, I can't imagine any hide other than lambskin being "time worn" in such a specific way.
The lamb has a texture which seems to take to distressing very naturally, especially the seams.

Crisman's jacket? Tundraraider's jacket? orb's jacket? ect. None are lambskin, all have the same "time worn" specific look of the LC.
There is nothing 'natural' about the way the LC jacket is distressed.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:34 pm

crismans wrote:Thanks knibs. Your work begins to bring me back to my original thought that the, what I believe most here, call the "hero" jacket was used in the zeppelin scenes and the castle scenes and is now what we call the Chicago jacket. The Smithsonian jacket was used in the tank scenes.

As for the motorcycle scenes, at least with a admittedly cursory glance, there does seem to be more rounded collars on that jacket.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/241.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/228.jpg

Does anyone know if this shot was on the motorcycle reshoot or from the first shoot?

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/223.jpg

I believe it was from the first shoot because one of the major continuity flaws is the noticeable difference in Harrison's hair length.

Kyle

Post by **Holt** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:22 pm

here is another.

the chicago jacket may actually be the hero jacket.

and look at that wide stormflap. this is wider then 1.75'' it must be. my LC stormflap is 1.75'' and it doesnt look as wide as this one.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:34 pm

Good eye, Holt!

I'm not sure on the width of the storm flap. It appears wider but, as has been said on this subject before, the nature of the distressing job would cause the flap to appear wider as well.

CM · Post by CM » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 pm

That shot of HF on the shore wearing the Chicago jacket - it looks like thin lamb there. And in the film, as many have stated, it flaps with the wind in a way that makes it look like thin fabric.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:53 pm

a question.

is this collarstand 1'' or 1.2''?

becuz it falls so far out. and all my jackets have the standard 1'' collartand and they stand and do not drop down like the band above.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:54 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:here is another.

the chicago jacket may actually be the hero jacket.

and look at that wide stormflap. this is wider then 1.75'' it must be. my LC stormflap is 1.75'' and it doesnt look as wide as this one.

I think the distressing is causing some deception about the storm flap width. Makes it appear wider than it really is. Look closely at the stitch lines.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:55 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:a question.

is this collarstand 1'' or 1.2''?

becuz it falls so far out. and all my jackets have the standard 1'' collartand and they stand and do not drop down like the band above.

1" or less, maybe 3/4"

Post by **Holt** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:56 pm

really? I think it looks bigger then 1''

how big is the CS collarstand?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:15 pm

CS collar stand is 1"
Raiders 3/4"
ToD 3/4"

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:21 pm

I'm convinced that collar stand is minimum 1 inch. That shot pretty much shows that. I also think the storm flap is 2 inches. I have an older Wested Raiders with that width, and it looks like the LC from where the stitching is, despite the illusion caused by the distressing. Could be 1.75 minimum.

SD

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:39 pm

I think the storm flap is less than 2". More like 1.5" maybe 1/8 larger but no more

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:54 am

no it cant be 1.5'' and my theory is that it is wider then 1.75''

here is the reason.

when I distreess the 1.75'' stormflap the vertical distress lines on each side of the stormflap stitches are to close to eachother. when looking at the original aging it is further apart.

so the stormflap has to be wider then 1.75''

know what I mean?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:57 am

okay. here is another question.

which of the two LC styles is your favorite?

The Smithsonian

or

The Chicago

even though they are practically the same jacket, there are differences in them.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:20 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:no it cant be 1.5'' and my theory is that it is wider then 1.75''

here is the reason.

when I distreess the 1.75'' stormflap the vertical distress lines on each side of the stormflap stitches are to close to eachother. when looking at the original aging it is further apart.

so the stormflap has to be wider then 1.75''

know what I mean?

no, it is no wider than 1.75". Look at the stitch lines. The distress lines create an illusion.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:12 pm

yes I know, but you cant say its NOT. because actually non of us can unless we have the real thing up close to measure.

I believe it 1.75'' like you or even more, but not as much as 2'' 1.85'' maby?

actually it is such a smsall detail. best to get it at 1.75'' and be safe.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:57 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:

actually it is such a smsall detail. best to get it at 1.75'' and be safe.

Correct, anywhere between 1-1/2 and 1-3/4" would work fine. Right in the middle might be perfect

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:49 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:okay. here is another question.

which of the two LC styles is your favorite?

The Smithsonian

or

The Chicago

even though they are practically the same jacket, there are differences in them.

When I had Tony make my LC, I actually combined features from both jackets to make my "favorite" LC. I'm not sure of all of the features I combined right off, but I know I went with more tapered sleeves (ala the Chicago jacket). The sleeves in the Smithsonian (tank scenes) jacket are a little too baggy for my taste.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:33 pm

yes. I have been thinking of this myself.

I mean, I love the smithsonian pockets. they are uniqe. but I love the chicago type collar and sleeves.

the only jacket that has round collar tips is the motorcycle jacket. the rest has pointy pretty much like CS.

Im struggling here.... I dont know which jacket is my favorite.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:04 pm

okay. I did some further looking into this.

now you convince me that this original stormflap doesnt look wider then the standard LC stormflap width at 1.75''

you can tell the space between the distress lines on the stormflap.this is what I ment in one of my posts on page 7. there is more unaged skin in the middle of the stormflap on the original then you can get when aging a standard 1.75'' flap.

even though we say it is safe to get a 1.75'' flap doesnt mean it is correct. I think it is wider.

JMO

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:53 pm

I still say it is not over 1.75"

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:00 pm

okay. I'll say it is

we just have to agree to disagree.