Is this the same jacket?

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Is this the same jacket?

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Hi new guy here.
I want to buy a wested but don't like the pocket flaps.

While reading various posts here I noticed that
the flap in the right photo looks to be the same with the flap in the left photo

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Strangely at other scenes of the movie it doesn't appear to be so pointy e.g. in Marion's bar scene

What do you think? Could it be the same jacket?

By the way which maker you think makes the absolute best jacket with attention to authenticity in all the details?
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frogman wrote: By the way which maker you think makes the absolute best jacket with attention to authenticity in all the details?
Oh boy. Here we go. Rule #1 about fight club....you don't talk about fight club. Rule #2, to start the fight, ask the question you just asked.
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Let me further add that you should spend a LOT of time using the search function. I know it seems daunting, but what you are actually doing is just posting another thread that asks an unanswerable question.

I love my Wested Jacket. If I could afford a Tony Nowak right now, I'd get his Crystal skull jacket, but for Raiders, I like Wested best.

That is JUST my opinion though. Other opinions will vary greatly. You are best off spending a couple of days reading all the jacke posts you can find and making a decision based on all the opinions.
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The angle of the shot will make a huge difference in how the pocket flap looks. This is a ToD style jacket. Just something to keep in mind.

But I think you have a good point, there is a strong resemblance between the Stars and that shot.

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as a friend of mine said. ''come for the gear stay for the therapy.''

you will understand what I mean after spending some time in here.


Best maker for the Raiders jacket is Tony Nowak. He HAD the original raiders jacket in his hands to copy some time back. Expensive? yes. worth it YES! do I have one? no.... will I get one. you betcha ;)

after that Id say wested. but you have to give them the correct specs. they are very good aswell. I love my latest raiders 'Holt' jacket.

I suggest you spend some time in here, search and read alot of threads. You will get alot of info by just doing that. there is TONS of info in here. After doing that you will become a loonie just like us. garanteed :lol:

welcome by the way..... Now run and dont look back!
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All I can say is that I like my Wested (which is the only one I got)

Like those before me said, you'll have to give the search button ago, I got my jacket just a few days ago, but before that I spent WEEKS on gathering info and such. I eventually ended up using a modified version of Agent5's specs.
I looked at a ton of pictures and most of what I saw was Todd's jackets and Wested jackets. I eventually settled for Wested as I kinda fell in love with the idea of getting a Jones jacket done by the same guy who made the originals.

So give the search button a go, and start reading.

good luck :)
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As Kt demonstrated, it's mostly camera angles. Photos are really unreliable proof.
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and to answer you question. No! they are not the same jackets.

jacket to the left has silk lining. Jacket to the right has Cotton silesia lining.
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How can you tell about the lining?
The lining on the jacket on the right photo is not even visible.
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no, but it is a couple seconds further in the scene.
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I think I read somewhere that we should not jump to conclusions based on photos.
So, how can you be so sure?
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Oh boy! #-o
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trust me. I am sure...Studying this jacket has been one of my missions in here. ;) you will find that out if you read alittle about me..

there was at least one jacket with silk lining. the rest was with Cotton silesia. Peter the maker of the originals told me that all jackets were with cotton. I think that he doesnt remembers the one with silk lining. I can understand if he doesnt. I mean, it is 30 years ago...

But there was a jacket with silk lining. but it aint the one in the truck scene..

Harrison Ford told a member here named _ when he had a few drinks with him a little while back that he remembered that he used a jacket that had silk lining. this jacket was used around when shooting the flying wing scene. most likely the one in you showed in your photo above.

now you tell me. based on looking at pictures. what is silk and what is cotton?

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MOD EDIT.remember this is a family friendly forum

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I can't tell the difference Mr Holt, except that the colour or lighting looks different for some reason - the rest is assuption - even if yours is a very educated one. ;)
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CM wrote:I can't tell the difference Mr Holt, except that the colour or lighting looks different for some reason - the rest is assuption - even if yours is a very educated one. ;)
That's what I was thinking. The 'promotion' photo looks much lighter or lightened, making the lining look different.
Couldn't we be dealing with the usual problem with photographs?
I'm not sure how anyone could definitively conclude what the lining is from those photos.
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Re: Is this the same jacket?

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I agree, you can't tell from those photos. Even the shirt looks different color and material. (in the left photo)
The linings, they all seem the same [cotton] to me.
Sorry.

Also, how can you be based on a photo and say 'it's silk' and at the same time reject me when I say "those pocket flaps are the same" opinion which I stated based on a photo ?

This reminds me of that saying we have in my village, that "we are all equal here, but some are more equal than others"
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sure, whatever.

next thing will be wondering if the hat is made out of straw.
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Holy cow! the hats made out of straw!!! Quick tell everyone, burn your AB's and Penman's they are no longer SA! :P ;) Oh and the ribbon is definately made of eel skin.
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to be honest I dont care if its plastic.

Ford has said that he remembers wearing a jacket with silk lining when they shot the flying wing scene...

I believe it is cotton in the truck scene..I think the jacket with the silk lining is in the wing scene... not the truck. Ford probably would remembered...Im sure...


anyways. Im done here.
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When I watch that scene, I kinda always thought it was the silk lining, not because of how it looked, but how the jacket moved on Ford. I had a jacket with that lining and it moved just like that - sliding all around on my shoulders (not that any large guys were punching me at the time). It has a different character than the cotton linings which tend to cling more to your shirt (especially when sweaty).

So I don't need to see the lining to know it's slippery in action. Now, what it was made of, I don't know, but I imagine it's pretty similar to Wested's silk in feel.
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Ah ,OK, Ford who wore it remembers and Peter who made it doesn't
Now I see...
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Well, Ford wore 4 or 5. Peter has made hundreds (thousands?). Seems reasonable and not at all a knock on Peter. How good is anybody at remembering what they did at work 30 years ago? Anyway, who's to say the wardrobe people didn't do some re-lining. (Well, maybe somebody knows, but I don't).
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Why does everyone keep saying '30 years ago' as if Wested just now started making Indy jackets for fans?
From all I've read the first fan jackets were made in the mid '80s, starting with a jacket or jackets for Lee Keppler.

There are a lot of people who can remember what they did at work 30 years ago.
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Wow, Frogman sure seems to know how to stir up a debate! It's hard to believe he only joined a few weeks ago! :roll:
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Uh, I said 30 years ago because that was roughly when Peter made the jackets for Raiders, among the many other garments he's made over the years for many other productions, and the very nice business he runs for fans of Indy and other shows.

I don't know any of those people who know specifically what they did 30 years ago. Guess my sampling is skewed. :-k
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Why Ford has a good memory of the silk lining (satin actually) is in the TOD write-up: He hated the material. That is a good reason for remembering such a detail.

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The ToD is a nylon. Slightly thicker and stronger than the satin. I quite like it on my jacket.
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IIRC, it was stated some time ago that he didn't want any polymer based linings because of the experience he had with it while filming Raiders. :-k

Funny thing is, because the new cotton liners pinched he used the nylon anyway :[

But _ is probably the person who knows most about this and could clear this up.

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Pardon me I didn't mean to cause any trouble.
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gwyddion wrote:IIRC, it was stated some time ago that he didn't want any polymer based linings because of the experience he had with it while filming Raiders. :-k

Funny thing is, because the new cotton liners pinched he used the nylon anyway :[

But _ is probably the person who knows most about this and could clear this up.

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Funny what people seem to remember and what they don't, isn't it.

It's all been said here before, so anyone really interested will likely find it all in a search. I think _'s conversation at the Bar post is in Lao Che's table.
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I believe this is the thread you were talking about, RC.

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Yep RC, that's part of it, but I was thinking about that thread where we were discovering that the Noel Howard jacket was a screen used one. Remember? where Holt did his great photo comparison.
It was one of the arguments _ used against the Noel Howard jacket being screen used (this is before he found out Holt was right and he posted the thread about all the new thing he discovered while investigating this).

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Yes I remember that long thread. It's still here too.
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