Last Crusade jacket thread

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:43 pm

The shape of this zipper pull here: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/7426-24.jpg
looks to me like the zipper I have on my CS jacket: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/7426-2q.jpg
except for the color

Regards

orb

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:53 pm

THE ZIPPER IS A NICKEL!

Regards

orb

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:04 pm

orb wrote:The shape of this zipper pull here: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/7426-24.jpg
looks to me like the zipper I have on my CS jacket: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/7426-2q.jpg
except for the color
Regards

orb

Yes it could be the same shape as on the CS. The screen shot is impossible to draw a conclusion on it being bell shaped.

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:06 pm

Tony has the same zipper with this looking zipper pull in nickel too. That's what I want to get.

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:06 pm

Im not sure how I am suppose to read our message orb? why the caps? that pisture shows to me a brass zipper with the sun on it making it shine to a silvery zipper.

tell me what color does this zipper show?

edit:

I just watched LC now and it does show a kinda greyish zipper in some scenes. not silver and not brass. but greyish. so the brass may give a apperance as silver. it can happen. especially if they have distressed it....

and what I know is that the smithsonian has a brass zipp. that i KNOW. and I STAND my ground on that! no use to argue with me on that....

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:17 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:Im not sure how I am suppose to read our message orb? why the caps? that pisture shows to me a brass zipper with the sun on it making it shine to a silvery zipper.

tell me what color does this zipper show?

edit:

I just watched LC now and it does show a kinda greyish zipper in some scenes. not silver and not brass. but greyish. so the brass may give a apperance as silver. it can happen. especially if they have distressed it....

and what I know is that the smithsonian has a brass zipp. that i KNOW. and I STAND my ground on that!no use to argue with me on that....

I don't know man:

Looks kinda silver to me? ( in the first two pics)

sorry I think its an optical illusion just like the lining appearng to be cotton, Images and light can do a lot !

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... ture17.png
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... cture7.png

Iam not too good with material but that zip has a gold color ! NO DOUBT!

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:27 pm

Why does nobody talking about the zipper pull?
I mean this part does look nickel for sure and a golden tone or brass zipper with a nickel pull wouldn't made much sense IMO.

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:29 pm

somebody please tell me what color does this zipper show?

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:32 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:Im not sure how I am suppose to read our message orb? why the caps? that pisture shows to me a brass zipper with the sun on it making it shine to a silvery zipper.

tell me what color does this zipper show?

I don't know? there are some shadows on the zipper. Some more shiny parts, some darker. A smaller picture would help

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:35 pm

see above. I added a new picture

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:36 pm

I say it's a light brass.

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:37 pm

Light brass you say.. hmm..

so there you go. this zipper is actually an dark antique bronze colored brass zipper. so you see that this dark brass can look silvery or 'ligth brass'

so imagine what the lighter golden colored zipper might look in direct daylight?

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:53 pm

see any resemblence?

do I have a point? I think so!

but I can be wrong.this is just MO, but it is to obvious...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:10 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:see any resemblence?

do I have a point? I think so!

but I can be wrong.this is just MO, but it is to obvious...

Yeah, silver zippers and black lining on the left

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:13 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
Yojimbo Jones wrote:Falsh use there highly unlikely. I think its a silver pull.
why is that highly unlikely? you can see the flash at the top of the glass window. stand in front of a window and you will have the same effect.

My bad - I thought you were commenting on Ford and Connery outside.
Additon - IMO it's a champagne / light brassy zip with a nickel / silver pull thingy.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:23 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:
Yojimbo Jones wrote:Falsh use there highly unlikely. I think its a silver pull.
why is that highly unlikely? you can see the flash at the top of the glass window. stand in front of a window and you will have the same effect.
My bad - I thought you were commenting on Ford and Connery outside.
Additon - IMO it's a champagne / light brassy zip with a nickel / silver pull thingy.

If you look back at the photo of the TN Raider jacket wested had or has, you can see the nickel zipper can look 'gold-ish' or light brass too.

from Holt's two side by side photos we can see a Brass zipper can look very light, possibly light enough to be perceived as nickel.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:44 pm

Again, it comes down to reality vs. the way it appears it the movie. I'd either simply be picking one to be a match for the Smithsonian, or colour matching the was it looks, inclusive of any colour grading, etc. Reconciling the two is likely to cause headaches that are unlikely to be resolved, IMO.

But I guess that's not the fun, is it?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:55 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
But I guess that's not the fun, is it?

Yes.

I still lean to a nickel for the LC jacket. Maybe HF will chime in about his

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:02 pm

why HF? my word is as good as his

I have met the crew remember?

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... escrew.jpg

sorry of topic. but we need a little laugh in this place now. so much tention going on.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:08 pm

I like how you photoshopped in the guy with the mustache in the back

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:56 pm

The zipper is clearly adamantium!

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:04 am

something else to talk about.

Is it just me or are the sleeves tapered on the LC hero while the smithsonian jacket has wider sleeves at the lower arm?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:57 am

Indiana Holt wrote:something else to talk about.

Is it just me or are the sleeves tapered on the LC hero while the smithsonian jacket has wider sleeves at the lower arm?

Define LC hero. the smithsonian is A hero jacket. so define what you mean

which scenes and such

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:56 am

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:11 am

The Smithsonian seems to have bigger armholes/sleeves but
I don't know... Get what ever you prefer. So will I.
Smithsonian again:

I think this is the Hero jacket again

I prefer the narrower sleeves.

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:13 am

yep me too.

I actually have those big sleeves on my LC and I actually dont like them. they are to big. just like in the first picture above.

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:01 pm

Back to the pocket placement...
Holt don't you think the pockets are really odd placed?
I think it wouldn't make sense getting the pockets centered by the zipper.
How do you think about this?

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:08 pm

yes they are odd placed. thats one of the things that is really funny about the LC jacket. they are not sewn in on the same placement on both sides of the jacket

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:16 pm

The pocket placement is interesting, but not without a historical basis. There was a maker of A-2 jackets during WWII who did similarly. The link here gives a good description of that:

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/a2_dubow.html

I know it has no bearing on the reality of movie-making, but it's nice that such a thing was going on in reality. By the way, this jacket maker was in Chicago, so maybe Indy needed a quick replacement while there and this is what happened.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:54 pm

The pocket position is also interesting, as Dubow would often position them with even spacing from the cut edge of the wind flap, not the zipper.

Most likely what happened with the LC which is why when unzipped the placement looks 'odd'

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:02 pm

probably...

I think the jacket would have a cooler look if they were centered more normal..

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:35 pm

Anyone know how they are positioned on Han's TNLC ?? Looks like they'd be centered on storm flap when zipped in pics he posted......

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:11 pm

Same as on the CS jacket. The only right way to go

It just depends on the right pocket size/pocket flap shape/size and it will look great!

Regards

orb

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:53 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:the distressing is the COOLEST about the whole LC jacket

I second that Holt

Kyle

CM · Post by CM » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:24 am

Okay, let's talk LC pockets.

Han's are great but not quite there yet.

I have found that TN's Radiers pocket flap has pretty much made the jacket for me (the lamb I won't mention again beacuse I still don't see it on screen even if it is correct, which it probably is

) but the little details are what make it work, I think. No one quite got that flap right until TN.

LC Pockets Key Questions

What size do we think?

Where does the flap end in relation to the pocket?

How deep is that flap?

Is the flap wider than the pocket, like Han's (which is much wider) or is it just a little wider?

Shape of the scalloping?

Is there piping on the top of the flap - I think there is just a seam.

Let's describe the placement. How far from bottom; how far from windflap; how far from zip.

I only mention Han's becasue it is such a good job and he has given us great photos to provoke discussion.

Holt, you're on top of this - what are your estimates?

Post by **Holt** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:34 am

nah.. I let it to you guys to talk about.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:22 am

We need a good model/diagram kinda like platon's raiders drawing that has the proportions of pocket to flap correct so a person could email the size and shape to Peter when ordering a LC.

I sent a modified Platon diagram for my raiders and Peter and crew did it spot on....

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:31 pm

jones the whip wrote: The pocket is 8" from piped edge to bottom and 6" wide. It is 3.2" from piped edge to pocket flap point.

Cheers,
JTW.

How do you guys rate these measurements, compared to the screen used jacket?
JTW.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:20 pm

the pocket is to tall. its like a CS pocket with a close enough LC pocket flap.

the flap is beefy but alittle to pointy and the piping is to thick.

and the placement is wrong.

just my 2c

CM · Post by CM » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:14 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:the pocket is to tall. its like a CS pocket with a close enough LC pocket flap.

the flap is beefy but alittle to pointy and the piping is to thick.

and the placement is wrong.

just my 2c

I thought you were going to leave it to us?

I don't think there is piping on the LC jacket pocket. The pocket shape appears square and the flap with a rounder tip.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:07 am

CM wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:the pocket is to tall. its like a CS pocket with a close enough LC pocket flap.

the flap is beefy but alittle to pointy and the piping is to thick.

and the placement is wrong.

just my 2c

I thought you were going to leave it to us?

I don't think there is piping on the LC jacket pocket. The pocket shape appears square and the flap with a rounder tip.

Interesting.....

CM · Post by CM » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:44 am

Dutch_jones wrote:
CM wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:the pocket is to tall. its like a CS pocket with a close enough LC pocket flap.

the flap is beefy but alittle to pointy and the piping is to thick.

and the placement is wrong.

just my 2c

I thought you were going to leave it to us?

I don't think there is piping on the LC jacket pocket. The pocket shape appears square and the flap with a rounder tip.
Interesting.....

I can't tell anything from that shot Mr Dutch (crazy angle) - what's your point? Find a photo in front of the pocket.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:06 am

I believe he is refering to the rounded bottom of the pocket....

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:18 am

Actually I was silly enough to forget to put more text in !
I wanted to say that in that picture the jacket looks really similar to Slydinis nowak jacket

And yes ! will you look at the rounded bottom

but I have to say the image isn't that clear and obviously playing tricks with our minds

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:40 am

nope. your absolutly right Dutch.

the LC pocket had one square corner and a round corner on the pocket. so your eyes are not playing tricks on you.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:57 am

for the record look at how much this jacket's pocket resembles the picture in my last post:

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:02 am

What do you guys think about Magnoli's version?

Those pockets seem to much squared, but the overall look of the jacket is really nice...

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:05 am

the Magnoli is really good. it has the perfect pocketplacement.

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:13 am

Yeah. Stormflap looks wider too, and I like the collar (although I don't know if it's SA or not)
Plus, it has a very nice distressing.