Last Crusade jacket thread

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:00 am

use this thread here to talk about the LC jacket. I want one thread with hard LC jacket info.

Bests
Holt

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:23 am

Great this came up ! we needed one like this

Mind if I post some really good images?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:30 am

You would be amiss if you didn't.

Regard! Michaelson

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:59 am

Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:09 am

Hatch wrote:Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....

No lets keep it to the real jacket, Han's is not that accurate.

I'll try to upload pics later but: there are two types of linings in LC, satin and cotton. No hem stitch, pockets need to be ( 2) inch from the bottom. the jacket falls off the shoulder, and the collar tips are round.

Collar detail:

Pocket detail:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... 1239119061
zipper:

Off the shoulder:

Satin Liner:

Cotton liner:

strap detail
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... 1239119159

Hope this help the thread;)

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:54 am

i am quite confident that wested's current offerings have the LC design instilled into them as far as the construction of the body and the major design specs..........however - collar, pockets, and yoke/sleave seams have been hot and cold from what i've seen. i figure that these specifications are filed right next to the design specs of the 1981 raiders jacket

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:59 am

Dutch_jones wrote:
Hatch wrote:Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....
No lets keep it to the real jacket, Han's is not that accurate.

there are two types of linings in LC, satin and cotton. No hem stitch, pockets need to be ( 2) inch from the bottom. the jacket falls off the shoulder, and the collar tips are round.

my friend....all jackets on screen have a 'dacron twill' type of lining. kinda like nylon. color is dark brown

jacket falls not of the shoulders.

pocket placement of 2 inch from hem is to little.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:01 pm

I was editing my post as you posted;)
By off the shoulder i meant to the sides !!!!

rover smith · Post by **rover smith** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:14 pm

By off the shoulder i meant to the sides

So as not to confuse it with the Raiders "off the shoulder" cut maybe we could say its "roomy" in the shoulder area?

Scott

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:15 pm

Good work, Dutch. Mind adding a pic of the wider storm flap?

SD

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:43 pm

hehe.. well that stormflap could as just aswell been a raiders on temple stormflap when seing it alone and from that distance....it doesnt look wide at all.

you need to compare it with another SF from another jacket.

here you can see the wider LC SF compared to the temple SF which is 1,5'' wide.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:46 pm

Thanks Holt !

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:51 pm

sure.. no prob.

let me know if you need anything more..

I have plenty of screen grabs and pictures to illustrate certain jacket specs.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:56 pm

I just wanted to put out a few basics;) I have alot of pictures but this is the stuff I wanted to share and illustrate that is significant to the LC jacket;)

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:09 pm

Wasn't the TOD stormflap 1.25 wide?

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:13 pm

maby it was.. if thats the size fo your wested SF then it is probably that.

either way the LC SF looks bigger then Raiders and ToD.

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:22 pm

The zipper of the LC jacket seems to stops right before the snap on the bottom of the jacket.
Sry for bad quality. http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-23.jpg
Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:26 pm

yep. or in other words. zipper stops 1'' from hem.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:36 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
Hatch wrote:Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....
No lets keep it to the real jacket, Han's is not that accurate.

I'll try to upload pics later but: there are two types of linings in LC, satin and cotton. No hem stitch, pockets need to be ( 2) inch from the bottom. the jacket falls off the shoulder, and the collar tips are round.

Dutch, I think you mean the jacket shoulder droops at the arm/sleeve, not falls off the shoulder? At least not as in 'falling back'
How do you figure the pockets are only 2" from the bottom? they seem higher, maybe 2.5"?

Good photos, but a couple aren't showing

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:39 pm

Yeah sorry about the 2 inch I just guessed I put it between ( ) because I wasn't sure, I did mean droop off the shoulder, but thats something all the indy jackets seem to do.
I accidentally deleted a few, will reupload right away.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:44 pm

orb wrote:The zipper of the LC jacket seems to stops right before the snap on the bottom of the jacket.
Sry for bad quality. http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-23.jpg
Regards

orb

wow look how high the pocket is there too!

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:48 pm

Pocket press studs were silver colored!
The top stormflap snaps wasn't exactly placed on top left corner of the stormflap.
The one on the top seems to be placed about an half inch lower and set a bit to the right from the top of the stormflap.
The snap on the bottom was also placed about a half inch from the bottom and set a bit to the right.
Just little details. But I will include them with my TN order.

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:52 pm

Piers wrote:
orb wrote:The zipper of the LC jacket seems to stops right before the snap on the bottom of the jacket.
Sry for bad quality. http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-23.jpg
Regards

orb
wow look how high the pocket is there too!

optical illusion.

this happens in several scenes...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:01 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:hehe.. well that stormflap could as just aswell been a raiders on temple stormflap when seing it alone and from that distance....it doesnt look wide at all.

you need to compare it with another SF from another jacket.

here you can see the wider LC SF compared to the temple SF which is 1,5'' wide.

In those photos the LC flap looks like it is maybe 2" in comparison to the 1.5" flap. The distressing makes it look wider than 2"?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:01 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
Piers wrote:
orb wrote:The zipper of the LC jacket seems to stops right before the snap on the bottom of the jacket.
Sry for bad quality. http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-23.jpg
Regards

orb
wow look how high the pocket is there too!

optical illusion.

this happens in several scenes...

yeah the jacket flares up in that scene.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:07 pm

Finally! Someone wanting to nail down the LC jacket!

Here's a LC photo no one has mentioned yet in this thread:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5865 ... 224wr7.jpg

Not exactly the best picture of the jacket, but better than nothing!

And you can see some details there as well that if you really pay attention.

On another unrelated note, is it just me, or does anyone else think that the collars in LC and CS are more... droopy for lack of a better word? It just strikes me as the first, very noticable thing about the later two Indy movie jackets are the... plunging neckline (so to speak!) of the collar. To better articulate what I mean (I hope), take a look at the top-end of the storm-flap on all four movie jackets. While RoLA & ToD's storm flaps end right on his neck, LC and CS's storm flaps end around the top half of his chest. Holt's picture illustrates my point:

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:16 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
Piers wrote:
orb wrote:The zipper of the LC jacket seems to stops right before the snap on the bottom of the jacket.
Sry for bad quality. http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-23.jpg
Regards

orb
wow look how high the pocket is there too!

optical illusion.

this happens in several scenes...

Yes but the pockets do appear higher placed than other jackets, Raider or ToD. Maybe 2.5" from the bottom?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:22 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Finally! Someone wanting to nail down the LC jacket!

Here's a LC photo no one has mentioned yet in this thread:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5865 ... 224wr7.jpg

Not exactly the best picture of the jacket, but better than nothing! And you can see some details there as well that if you really pay attention.

........

that's a good photo.

Brass zipper?

Black lining or dark brown?

pockets still seem to be placed higher from the bottom than 2"

sleeves are slim looking, not excessively baggy as some have said.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:23 pm

brass golden zipper. not bronze..

dark brown dacron twill lining ( nylon)

slevees are slim from elbow down, big armholes with wide Bicep area.

pocket are higher placed then 2'' from hem. they are 2,5''

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:31 pm

I think trying to judge the color of things that are already hard enough to tell even if you were to see it up close is not the best idea. Especially when you consider the filters on a camera, ambient colors reflecting off the metal (i.e: sunlight reflecting off a zipper making it look gold), etc.

Similarly with the 'cut' of a jacket (bagginess, trim-ness), trying to dermine the 'fit' of a jacket in 'action' stills may be a bit misleading.

Just a thought.

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:36 pm

Any thoughts about only the zipper pull was silver and zip was brass?
On the chicago jacket you can see the zipper pull on the top of the stormflap.
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/7426-2o.jpg Beware it's big

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:37 pm

no,no..

the zipper used is a more golden colored then antique bronze like wested use today.

here.

original zipper from archive picture.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:42 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:I think trying to judge the color of things that are already hard enough to tell even if you were to see it up close is not the best idea. Especially when you consider the filters on a camera, ambient colors reflecting off the metal (i.e: sunlight reflecting off a zipper making it look gold), etc.

Similarly with the 'cut' of a jacket (bagginess, trim-ness), trying to dermine the 'fit' of a jacket in 'action' stills may be a bit misleading.

Just a thought.

Agreed.

Silver zippers such as what TN uses on the Raider jacket can sometimes appear 'yellow' in photos.
In the photo you posted the lining could go either way, black or dark brown.
I was hoping someone might 'know' the real answer

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:45 pm

What about the sidestraps? What height they placed?
They seem about the same as on the CS Jacket (about 3,5" from bottom of the jacket) but on the Smithsonian jacket they seem to be set an inch higher (4,5" from the bottom)
The sidestraps also looked rather short. I would say max. 6 inch long?

Regards

orb

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:46 pm

look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:48 pm

that pic shows what I really dislike about the jacket in LC.. Look at the perfect lines of 'distressing', it's just so unnatural looking

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:49 pm

the distressing is the COOLEST about the whole LC jacket

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:52 pm

My contribution.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:55 pm

thanx agent5

this illustrates really good about what I have been saying about the ''piped'' strap anchoring.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:59 pm

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:04 pm

Does anybody knows anything about the inside pocket(s)?
Did they have a V-shaped facing like on older Westeds?

Regards

orb

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:04 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

Is it heresy to say that the TN distressing looks more natural than the movie jacket ? Agree with Piers that some of the distressing looks too clean and unnatural like they used a Dremel tool or straight edge to get those straight lines or just used acetone to remove the color.....jmo

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:14 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

Now in that photo the collar point doesn't seem so rounded. Maybe a 3/8 or 1/2" radius?

What would you say about the collar? Is it the same width all around or does it taper to the back? Not easy to tell for sure in photos.
The width I would guess at about 3"?
The outer edge of it seems to be cut on a curve rather than straight?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:23 pm

the wested LC pattern they use today is closer to the original then what people think they are.....it has many features that captures the look of the original

the LC ipattern s like an unpolished diamond...I plan on polishing that diamond soon...

look how my collar falls and sits just around my neck like the movie jacket.

look at the shoulder seams that has a little curve towards the rear shoulder. just like the original.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:29 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

also compare to this photo from another thread:

appears to be 'golden' too. It's actually not or shouldn't be as it's a TN Raider

so the question is: Is the LC jacket zipper really 'golden' or just appear to be under certain conditions?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:32 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:.......
look how my collar falls and sits just around my neck like the movie jacket.

look at the shoulder seams that has a little curve towards the rear shoulder. just like the original.

Looks good there Holt

What size is the upper back panel then? Depth at center of the neck and at the shoulder end?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:42 pm

Holt, great LC look .......how old ? .......when did you 'spec' this out before or after the 'Holt ' goat Raiders......

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:46 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

also compare to this photo from another thread:

appears to be 'golden' too. It's actually not or shouldn't be as it's a TN Raider

so the question is: Is the LC jacket zipper really 'golden' or just appear to be under certain conditions?

okay.. I give up... I showed you all a archive photo of the LC hero jacket brass zipper.... but okay..it looks only brass in certain scenes...

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:46 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:look again.....

the zipper is a brass golden colored zipper.

also compare to this photo from another thread:

appears to be 'golden' too. It's actually not or shouldn't be as it's a TN Raider

so the question is: Is the LC jacket zipper really 'golden' or just appear to be under certain conditions?

Brilliant post, RC, and that illustrates the point nicely! One cannot really say for sure what color it is unless they can actually sit down and hold it in their hands, because even with the naked eye, if you had the jacket sitting a few feet away from you in a display case, it might still look a different color than it actually is! Now imagine how much harder your job would therefore be when trying to judge it from a photo! Especially considering all the lighting they'd have around focused on Ford! For all we know, the zipper could simply be reflecting the brown tones of Indy's jacket!

Now I'm not taking any sides if it was brass or silver, but I just think it is important to consider the factors I mentioned above. But didn't somebody (_ maybe?) once mention that the LC jacket had silver zips that were painted bronze (or am I thinking of a different Indy movie?)... If I'm right though, it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine that maybe the paint would flake off after certain takes, which resulted in some scenes having a silver zip, and others, a bronze...

Anyway, I'm really digging the outward 'flare' of the front of Indy's jacket:

...as well as the showing-off of the inner collar-stand:

It's just a really interesting look as it seems like the jacket is a diva trying to show off the inner constructions, to an extent not really matched by any of the other three film jackets I think.

I especially like the outward 'flare' though, as it makes me think of a more refined, but daring adventurer. The 'flare' makes me think of daring, and in Raiders, the zipper line was curving every which way, which made him look... well, "scruffy-looking", which I'm sure most gearheads are after. But having the zipper in this one look more... 'controlled', gave it the appearance of a more refined look... Perhaps reflecting on the character more as having matured, but still being just as daring as in Raiders.

Anyway, don't mind me, just thinking out loud...

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:52 pm

You know Holt I think most only really see a lc as a really distressed jacket, and if you havent distressed it that way its not a LC.

Your collar looks really good ! that does indeed fall the way the movie collar did !
have you thought about giving it a movie accurate distressing? You know those straight lines can be easily replicated, you need some painters tape put it in the area's you don't want to sand in the lines and sand everything else;)?