TOD Screen Fedora for auction?

Hairyloft · Post by **Hairyloft** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:20 pm

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http://www.profilesinhistory.com/new/
LOT #369
Harrison Ford signature “Indiana Jones” fedora hat from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

(Paramount, 1984) This iconic brown fedora personifies the Indiana Jones character and is one of the most recognizable pieces in modern film history. The hand made brown rabbit fur felt hat was made by London hat maker Herbert Johnson with appropriate gold maker’s stamp on the inside leather hat band. On the opposite temple are the gold stamped initials “IJ”. The hat exhibits slight studio soiling and comes with a signed letter from a former Herbert Johnson employee explaining the provenance and specifications of the hat, including how it was cut and shaped for the production. This is the first Indy hat we have ever handled. An incredible piece of film history.

It's going to be well out of my price range also selling the whip!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:31 pm

the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:37 pm

What?!!!
But I just took 60,000 bucks outta the bank!!!
;-)
Oh well...
Think of all the ABs, AB Dlxs & Penman Hats I can buy with all this green!
Muu-Whu-hoo-ha-hahahahahaha...

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:40 pm

Indiana G wrote:the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.

actually the crown is really short for a tod !
This is a hat made by swales, but not at all screenused, its one of the replicas he made, and looks very similar to the hat RNomura bought from him in 1988.... so alot of bull droppings to jack the price up.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:48 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.
actually the crown is really short for a tod !

find me a hat in TOD that has a chocolate ribbon on it. granted, the center dent could have been mistakenly rebashed with a tear drop but if this hat is the real deal, why would anyone change the ribbon out?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:51 pm

Indiana G wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.
actually the crown is really short for a tod !
find me a hat in TOD that has a chocolate ribbon on it. granted, the center dent could have been mistakenly rebashed with a tear drop but if this hat is the real deal, why would anyone change the ribbon out?

I edited my post, its a hat made by swales in the late 80's the movie hats wouldnt have IJ stamped inside....

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:53 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.
actually the crown is really short for a tod !
find me a hat in TOD that has a chocolate ribbon on it. granted, the center dent could have been mistakenly rebashed with a tear drop but if this hat is the real deal, why would anyone change the ribbon out?
I edited my post, its a hat made by swales in the late 80's the movie hats wouldnt have IJ stamped inside....

i thought swales stamped IJ in the raiders hats???

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:58 pm

Indiana G wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:the ribbon is chocolate brown........per SAB's current offering...not the indy brown ribbon we've seen......also, what's with the tear-drop bash???....the village hat didn't even have a decent center crease....kinda looked like a crescent moon crease.

this auction smells fishy to me.
actually the crown is really short for a tod !
find me a hat in TOD that has a chocolate ribbon on it. granted, the center dent could have been mistakenly rebashed with a tear drop but if this hat is the real deal, why would anyone change the ribbon out?
I edited my post, its a hat made by swales in the late 80's the movie hats wouldnt have IJ stamped inside....
i thought swales stamped IJ in the raiders hats???

BTW

I found you a tod hat with chocolate ribbon:
ITS the plane hat. Maybe we're not seeing it chocolate, but thats what it looks like to me:

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:07 pm

i'll buy that one being a TOD hat, but not the last one.

this looks chocolate too due to the age and distressing:

we all know that it is not.

we also know that the TOD ribbon use to look like this:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/114.jpg

the profiles in history hat doesn't look like it's been through enough to age and fade that ribbon.

that's pure speculation of course and i'm not saying that this hat was never in the movie.......but if i had $80K to buy an authentic TOD hat, i'd be asking these questions prior to purchase.

darthjones · Post by **darthjones** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:27 pm

Interesting. I might get the chance to go over to PIH to look at this hat. Not sure. One thing I note in the photograph of the hat from the BACK -

Look at how the ribbon reflects light on the right side of the picture. Leads me perhaps to believe that this ribbon is somewhat more shiny when clean, unlike a real IJ ribbon which is dull in light.

Ribbon could be a replacement on a real hat I guess.

And top bash could be changed too by rookies.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:05 pm

I have the feeling I know where this hat is from. If it's the one I'm talking about... well someone just sold it for $2000 and now is, as I predicted, on auction for 20 times that price as lower estimate. Too bad I didn't buy it

Anyway if I had some money to spend I would buy Venkman's Ghostbusters jumpsuit

Chiliana Jones · Post by **Chiliana Jones** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:43 pm

that hat in the auction reminds me more of an LC hat:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/243.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/245.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/292.jpg

the hat(s) in TOD didnt even seem to get that dusty/dirty

CJ

MustangLoverMex · Post by **MustangLoverMex** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:08 pm

I need to sell a kidney in order to get half of the money that those guys are asking for!

I rather go and buy an AB (that hat would be definitively SA, original and of course it will fit my head).... ;-)
NOTE: I already bought an AB, I need to wait another 11 months haha.

Best Regards,
-Alfonso

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:55 pm

Erri I think you could be right its not unlike a hat posted on ebay not too long ago

Cheers

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:56 pm

also, i seem to recall that the standard crown bash for the indy hat out of SAB's shop was a tear-drop as well.

i believe this to be a fraud......just like the whip imo.

the sword looks legit.......but then again, i've never looked at it that close.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:59 pm

The Avaitor wrote:Erri I think you could be right its not unlike a hat posted on ebay not too long ago

Cheers

that was a stetson......if you're talking about the other TOD hat that i went medieval on a few weeks back

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:59 pm

The Avaitor wrote:Erri I think you could be right its not unlike a hat posted on ebay not too long ago

Cheers

I thought screenused was supposed to have bought it but I have never heard from the seller again; shame, he was very nice. Anyway I warned him not to sell it for so little. Too bad. As I said, I should have bought it but the miss said no

she's going to bash her head against the wall when I'll show her this auction

Indiana G, if it's the hat I was talking about (and I'm sure it is), I believe the origin is honest.

There is a reason why that bash is the way it is

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:18 pm

Collecting original props is fun. But the sad fact is that if you don't go into the hobby well armed with knowledge, you are going to be eaten alive.

There are many, many fakes out there, making it extremely easy for a fool to part with his money. Potential buyers would have only themselves to blame for bidding on an item like this without doing as much research as possible beforehand, only to find out that it is not the real deal.

With less expensive items you can usually rely on the reputation of well-respected dealers, but even they are human and sometimes make mistakes.

Jack

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:34 pm

eazybox wrote:Collecting original props is fun. But the sad fact is that if you don't go into the hobby well armed with knowledge, you are going to be eaten alive.

There are many, many fakes out there, making it extremely easy for a fool to part with his money. Potential buyers would have only themselves to blame for bidding on an item like this without doing as much research as possible beforehand, only to find out that it is not the real deal.

With less expensive items you can usually rely on the reputation of well-respected dealers, but even they are human and sometimes make mistakes.

Jack

exactly. i'm sure everyone here can produce a good fake for some shmoe rich guy with a snot nosed kid that likes inbanana dones

Belegnole · Post by **Belegnole** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:47 pm

eazybox wrote:Collecting original props is fun. But the sad fact is that if you don't go into the hobby well armed with knowledge, you are going to be eaten alive.

There are many, many fakes out there, making it extremely easy for a fool to part with his money. Potential buyers would have only themselves to blame for bidding on an item like this without doing as much research as possible beforehand, only to find out that it is not the real deal.

With less expensive items you can usually rely on the reputation of well-respected dealers, but even they are human and sometimes make mistakes.

Jack

I've known a couple of prop guys who have remade pieces or sold knock offs. To my knowledge they have sold them as reproductions and many of the ones I've seen were much better than the original. Up close it can be amazing how horrible some props are. Thanks to the OP for the link and wasn't there and wasn't there a jacket up for grabs lately?

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:41 pm

They also have some great shots of the hero machete used by Jones...should the prop replicating guys be contacted?

darthjones · Post by **darthjones** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:28 pm

So - what has been decided here? Can anyone match this hat up to any screen stills?

There can't be any "secrets" here unless somebody is trying to pull something.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:38 pm

darthjones wrote:So - what has been decided here? Can anyone match this hat up to any screen stills?

There can't be any "secrets" here unless somebody is trying to pull something.

that hat was probably lying in the junk pile with the pecan baron hats shipment.

it would probably be easier to re-enslave all those children to find the last 2 sankara stones than to correctly trace this sham of a hat back to a scene in the movie.

i'd like to see some major proof of this hat before i eat crow.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:56 pm

You know, that hat for auction MAY have been one of the Stetsons used in the film. One thing about ribbon, it can fade out over time. Even vintage ribbon will do that, as I have bought vintage hats with a faded ribbon. Fedora

darthjones · Post by **darthjones** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:34 pm

Hey, Gang -

I don't know if I will have the time but if someone wealthy here was thinking of bidding on it I am acquainted with the folks at PIH and can go take a look at this thing - even maybe photograph it. But I'd only do this if someone was seriously interested.

I would LOVE to do it anyway but work schedule is tight right now.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:38 pm

Fedora wrote:You know, that hat for auction MAY have been one of the Stetsons used in the film. One thing about ribbon, it can fade out over time. Even vintage ribbon will do that, as I have bought vintage hats with a faded ribbon. Fedora

but the hat has got HJ markings on her......

i don't believe that this is a TOD hat........the bullwhip that is also being auctioned is accompanied with the similar inconsistencies.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:08 am

but the hat has got HJ markings on her......

Oops!! I guess I should have read better. Fedora

RNomura · Post by **RNomura** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:31 pm

WOW! It does look like my 1988 HJ hat only much more raggedy. I should go down there and see it for myself..

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:33 pm

RNomura wrote:WOW! It does look like my 1988 HJ hat only much more raggedy. I should go down there and see it for myself..

your hats probably older than that one

RNomura · Post by **RNomura** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:04 pm

OK, checked out the photos at Profiles. The gold stamping inside the leather sweatband is identical to my hat. To me, this is more of a LC fedora than a ToD hat..

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:57 pm

RNomura wrote:OK, checked out the photos at Profiles. The gold stamping inside the leather sweatband is identical to my hat. To me, this is more of a LC fedora than a ToD hat..

to me, its more of a baron hats crystal skull fedora....if ya git ma drift ;-)