Shirt Color Comparison between AB/NH/Todd's/Wested

midwestwhips · Post by **midwestwhips** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:20 pm

I snapped some pictures comparing the Noel Howard, Adventure built, Wested, and Todd's New shirts. I didn't have a chance to snap any indoor pictures, but I think these outdoor shots show everything well enough.

Here's the rundown of my opinion of the shirts:

Adventure Built - It has the best color for the Raiders shirt, and a great all around look. Plus I absolutely LOVE the tag!

Noel Howard - The color is a little dark, but it looks the most accurate, and wrinkles wonderfully. It looks great as a TOD.

Todd's - The color is the darkest, and has a pretty good TOD look, the best part is the fit, it really feels like Indy's shirt when you are wearing it.

Wested - The color is the lightest, and it doesn't wrinkle all that much, but it is the nicest shirt out of the bunch. What I mean by that is that it is the most "dress shirt" like of the three.

They are all great shirts, and I have been having a great time trying out a different one each day.

Also, they have all been washed in cold water, and hang dried.

Sizes:

Adventure Built - XL, but the sleeves were shortened by a local tailor. I think I'll likely get a Large soon.

Noel Howard - Large, Tall. The sleeves are slightly long, but not too long that they need to be shortened. It fits very nicely.

Todd's - Large, and the fit is great. Broad shoulders, and slimmer in the waist more than the others. It fits the tightest of all of them.

Wested - Large, it fits very nicely, almost as tight as the Todd's.

Here are the comparison pics:

Regards,

Paul Nolan
www.midwestwhips.com

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Sun May 25, 2008 2:02 am

Hey!!! Thanks a lot. I think its now really clear to me that the AB is my favorite color.... better start saving.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sun May 25, 2008 2:56 am

Yeah, I was disappointed about the color. I also agree it is close to the Temple of Doom shade. The What Price Glory is actually pretty close to the Adventurebilt color.

Fink · Post by **Fink** » Sun May 25, 2008 3:27 am

Weird, at first look, the AB looks exactly like my Todd’s on those pictures, and your Todd’s looks way darker of what mine looks like!

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myamoebafriend · Post by **myamoebafriend** » Sun May 25, 2008 4:22 am

If I could just get one of those already I'd be so happy...

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:32 am

My Todd's looks just like that. Light khaki with a hint of "mustard". Darker than some of the others that have been shown here. Wonder if there were some inconsistencies in the fabric color.

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:42 am

Watching Raiders the other day, I am starting to think the Wested color is closer. But I do love my NH though.

Doctor_Jones · Post by **Doctor_Jones** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:18 pm

great comparison pictures paul. thanks for that.

now you need to iron your shirts! haha

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Mon May 26, 2008 2:20 am

WeeMadHamish wrote:My Todd's looks just like that. Light khaki with a hint of "mustard". Darker than some of the others that have been shown here. Wonder if there were some inconsistencies in the fabric color.

Im really wondering that too!!! Mine sure didnt look anything like Indyfalcos.....

starks_6 · Post by **starks_6** » Mon May 26, 2008 2:31 am

Redinight wrote:
WeeMadHamish wrote:My Todd's looks just like that. Light khaki with a hint of "mustard". Darker than some of the others that have been shown here. Wonder if there were some inconsistencies in the fabric color.
Im really wondering that too!!! Mine sure didnt look anything like Indyfalcos.....

I think some of us got jipped if some are the same colour as the AB and some arent. But still, its a great shirt and who knows, maybe this colour is spot on to the Raiders colour. TODD should know...

rbinko2001 · Post by **rbinko2001** » Mon May 26, 2008 8:10 am

Where can you order an "AdventureBilt" shirt from? I went on their website and all I found were the hats. Is there a different company that does the shirts?

Thanks.

rbinko2001 · Post by **rbinko2001** » Mon May 26, 2008 8:12 am

Nevermind, I found the answer to my question already.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Mon May 26, 2008 6:15 pm

Interesting color comparison. I will say that the top photo probably best represents the true-life differences in color. The middle and bottom photos exaggerate the differences far too much.

Just to squelch any rumors, all of my shirts were cut from the same dye run of fabric. They are all perfectly identical to each other.

I suspect that Noel's shirt is actually the true color, based on photos I have seen of a screen used shirt in a private collection. However, it isn't how it looks on screen in Raiders. Whether it was the film stock, the filters, the processing, of whatever, Raiders is very de-saturated in color tone. The question is, do you want the real color, or what it looks like on screen (and in what lighting?)

I went with khaki because when put together in a complete ensemble with trousers, jacket, hat, etc. I think it will match the best. A lighter shirt might look more like the somewhat washed-out strong sunlight scenes in Raiders, but put it with a dark brown jacket and it will look too white. And although Noel's pinkish fabric might be authentic, the shirt does not look pink in any of the films. Just wanted you to know the rationale I used when deciding on a fabric. I was looking at the color relative to the other elements of the outfit.

Also, bear in mind that Ford was so tanned he was practically red as a lobster in Raiders, making the shirt look even lighter.

Post by **Dalexs** » Mon May 26, 2008 7:49 pm

Although a quick bath in some rit dye remover would make Todds a dead ringer for the AB!

jacksparrow900 · Post by **jacksparrow900** » Mon May 26, 2008 8:29 pm

I've owned all the shirts beside the wested and i have to say todd's shirt is a lighter color than noel howard's. i would say the adventurebilt is probably closes to kingdom of the crystal skull. But Todd's shirt is a dead on ringer for raiders. Every shirt I've purchased the epaulets always sit in front of my shoulder, Todd's shirt is the first shirt where they sit right on top of the shoulders. It also feels like a raiders shirt.

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Mon May 26, 2008 11:39 pm

Dalexs wrote:Although a quick bath in some rit dye remover would make Todds a dead ringer for the AB!

As I posted in another thread, if you're going to use RIT dye remover, commit to using a LOT of it and completely removing color. Just using a little to lighten the existing color does not work. I tried that on my WPG (all cotton) and it turned the shirt a canary yellow. I had to use packet after packet of remover to get it almost white, then used RIT tan dye to get it back to around where I wanted it. In all it probably wasn't worth the hassle.

myamoebafriend · Post by **myamoebafriend** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:04 am

Hmm, well, if I like how Todd's fits when I get, I might consider getting another one and try the bleach and re-dye maneuver.

starks_6 · Post by **starks_6** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:06 am

Puppetboy wrote:Interesting color comparison. I will say that the top photo probably best represents the true-life differences in color. The middle and bottom photos exaggerate the differences far too much.

Just to squelch any rumors, all of my shirts were cut from the same dye run of fabric. They are all perfectly identical to each other.

I suspect that Noel's shirt is actually the true color, based on photos I have seen of a screen used shirt in a private collection. However, it isn't how it looks on screen in Raiders. Whether it was the film stock, the filters, the processing, of whatever, Raiders is very de-saturated in color tone. The question is, do you want the real color, or what it looks like on screen (and in what lighting?)

I went with khaki because when put together in a complete ensemble with trousers, jacket, hat, etc. I think it will match the best. A lighter shirt might look more like the somewhat washed-out strong sunlight scenes in Raiders, but put it with a dark brown jacket and it will look too white. And although Noel's pinkish fabric might be authentic, the shirt does not look pink in any of the films. Just wanted you to know the rationale I used when deciding on a fabric. I was looking at the color relative to the other elements of the outfit.

Also, bear in mind that Ford was so tanned he was practically red as a lobster in Raiders, making the shirt look even lighter.

I think we all try to mimic what we see on screen. And it seems for most of us colour wise the AB fits that perfectly. I must say though, this is one of the best fitting shirts Ive bought, its been worn a lot over the past few days.
I have to agree with jacksparrow900, this is the first shirt Ive had to have the epaulets sit right on my shoulders. Im really happy with it, for future runs though will there be a change in colour?

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:57 am

Ok...Here is some more interesting pictures... Keep in mind I bleached this shirt with 1 to 2 cups of bleach diluted in water. I made sure it was soaked, squezed it and rinsed. I also washed the shirt by itself in warm water, dryed it..later washed in cold and hung it in my window to dry.

This is a comparison with a cabelas stone colored shirt. Also the lighting never changed...done at night with fluorescent lighting.

Notice how much lighter the shirt is without the Cabelas shirt... its wierd. I also noticed that when I used flash and turned the camera vertical it changed the color in the picture.

No flash...

Flash...

Horizontal Flash!!

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:02 am

Yeah, successive photo comparison with digital cameras is tough, because the camera is analyzing everything in the image and trying to optimize it based upon its current white balance setting. That's why the color of the first shirt changes when another object is added--the overall dynamics have changed and thus so does the optimization.

You'd have to turn off all the automated features, if that's even possible, to be able to make meaningful comparisons between pictures.

Post by **Dalexs** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:18 pm

Treadwell wrote: As I posted in another thread, if you're going to use RIT dye remover, commit to using a LOT of it and completely removing color. Just using a little to lighten the existing color does not work. I tried that on my WPG (all cotton) and it turned the shirt a canary yellow. I had to use packet after packet of remover to get it almost white, then used RIT tan dye to get it back to around where I wanted it. In all it probably wasn't worth the hassle.

Thats too bad. I was hoping that maybe it would react the same way the LLBean shirts do.
(Althought it may have more to do with the quality of the shirt and had the color was obtained in the first place.)
Progressive baths in RIT would remove just enough color to lighten it up.
The dye bath was always taking away the green component.
(I have pics of it somewhere.)

And shooting the pics in natural light is usually the best way to do it unles you have professional, balanced lights that the camera can actually balance too accurately.

I always try to shoot my stuff outside in shade on bright sunny days.

myamoebafriend · Post by **myamoebafriend** » Wed May 28, 2008 3:02 am

Does anyone have a Todd's, AB, and Magnoli comparison???

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed May 28, 2008 3:40 am

Looking at all these pics I'm thinking that after 25 years WE STILL HAVE NO IDEA of what colour was the shirt! This is incredible!

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:00 am

myamoebafriend wrote:Does anyone have a Todd's, AB, and Magnoli comparison???

Can anyone throw a WPG in there just to run the gamut? I'm curious to see how that color compares to the others, even if there are "issues" with the shirt.

Indiana MarkVII · Post by **Indiana MarkVII** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:09 pm

I've got a WPG, a Todd's, a Wested, and an AB/ I'd love to post a photo of them all together, but the only digital camera I own is on my 2MB camera phone, and I don't trust it's color capabilities. My girlfriend has a point and shoot digital, but she's 18 miles away from my house. Add another 10 miles from work, but luckily she works just a few miles from where I do and we can get together for lunch sometimes but that's not going to be condusive to shooting Indy shirt photos. Maybe this weekend we can take a few shots.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:16 pm

Herr Doktor wrote:
myamoebafriend wrote:Does anyone have a Todd's, AB, and Magnoli comparison???
Can anyone throw a WPG in there just to run the gamut? I'm curious to see how that color compares to the others, even if there are "issues" with the shirt.

Ask and ye shall recieve, here is the new Todd's with a WPG shirt. I also adjusted precisely with Photoshop so it is how it appeared to my eyes in real life (at least on my monitor). Enjoy, or something like that.

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:21 am

bigrex wrote:
Herr Doktor wrote:
myamoebafriend wrote:Does anyone have a Todd's, AB, and Magnoli comparison???
Can anyone throw a WPG in there just to run the gamut? I'm curious to see how that color compares to the others, even if there are "issues" with the shirt.
Ask and ye shall recieve, here is the new Todd's with a WPG shirt. I also adjusted precisely with Photoshop so it is how it appeared to my eyes in real life (at least on my monitor). Enjoy, or something like that.

Thanks, bigrex. It answers some questions for me! (And I did enjoy it.

)

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Sat May 31, 2008 11:56 am

So what are the "issues" with the WPG shirt? Can someone elaborate?

Also, where can I find more info about the AB shirt? Everytime I search for "AB shirt" or "Adventurebilt shirt" the search pulls up Marions boots, Shia's switchblade and everything but what I'm looking for.

How much are the AB's and do I have to PM Marc to find out more? I'd like to be able to go to a website and actually see pictures and hear a description of it.

Thanks.

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Sat May 31, 2008 8:25 pm

There's a couple of big threads about them in Vendor Announcements.

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:23 am

How do the Wested shirts fit? Are they cut loose or snug? Gemma told me my measurements of 16x34 with a 42 chest and 33 waist should fit into their medium size, but I'm concerned with the cut and any shrinkage issues. I'd rather not have to return the shirt and get whacked on shipping.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:59 pm

Just out of curiosity...who supplied the shirts for Indy 4? (I'm on the go, so, someone may have mentioned it and I just missed it - if I did, I apologize).

The shirt in Indy 4 actually looked good. I liked the fact that Indy didn't wear his jacket throughout the entire film (unlike in Last Crusade) that way we can get to see more of the gear, like the shirt.

I've been M.I.A. for awhile, I too didn't realize that there was a new Adventurebilt shirt. Cool!

Thank you,
Aaron

Marv · Post by **Marv** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:15 am

The Wested is the best in my opinion but that's just me

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:33 am

I believe Western Costume made the shirts (and probably the pants) for Indy 4 and they do not deal with the public. They've been making costumes for films for probably 60 years. I've e-mailed them numerous times about wardrobes from other films they've worked on and have never heard back from them unfortunately.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:17 pm

TheMechanic wrote:So what are the "issues" with the WPG shirt? Can someone elaborate?

Thanks.

Some think they are cut too big, like a circus tent. However, I prefer the cut, with my tight Todd's standard jacket it helps fill out my physique a bit to make it a little more screen accurate under the jacket. Some don't like the material, but it's a moderately thick cotton that I like, the shirt also does shrink tremendously after a couple washings. Some also complain about that, but again, if the shirt really is bloated in cut, that can be an advantage.

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:13 am

One thing to keep in mind with cameras and color. Each brand of camera "sees" color differently. A Nikon is different then Canon, etc. Also, if you're getting really nit picky, different lenses read color differently even with the same camera. As well as each person's eyes viewing color differently.

So, what's white to one is very light blue to another.. or is it tan and yellow?

Just something for you to consider.

Randy

Zach R. · Post by **Zach R.** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:02 pm

Taken with a Canon Powershot SD870 IS...I think it at least gives some credence to the idea that the color of the shirt is all about the contrast with the rest of the outfit.