Looking for a one and Only...

IndianaSolo · Post by **IndianaSolo** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:22 am

Hey Gang,

I've been looking into getting a whip for some time but I'm not planning on buying more than one and I don't want to spend too much. Screen Accuracy isn't too important to me but what is important is quality, durability, balance, and value. a whip that I could use and can last a while.
I figure $350 Is something Id spend MOST unless I have good reason to spend more.

I've ruled out David Morgan because his $$ is too high and I'm not in need of a Marquee maker. IOAB is also out as I don't want a whip just for display and don't want to be tempted to purchase a better one later. I want literally a one and only whip purchase.

I have been looking at Adam Winrich 8 plait 8foot roo whip. It goes for $340 which is just in range. Anyone have experience with Winrich?

I am constantly looking for Cairo Bazaar updates and unless there are other options I may just go with that.

Also how long does it usually take to get one?

Thanks for the help gang

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:30 am

From what I've seen, that sounds an excellent choice, but I don't know if he's making at the moment. You couldn't go wrong though. At that price I'd buy soon as the price might go up. Seems an excellent deal to me.

MACHONE · Post by **MACHONE** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:34 am

Many members say look the way of Gus Caicedo and after taking those suggestions I am very happy with his 12 plait 8 foot offering at $160. So much so that I also have a 10 footer coming this week. Also what I consider to be well bought well under $300. They are not roo, but hit most if not all the other marks you seem to be looking for, and look incredible too. Do a seach on his work, it's really worth your time. He's taking some time off till early June, but his work is worth the wait

. Adam's work looks very nice, though I have no personal experience with his work.
Ben

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:39 am

Check our Bernardo Del Carpio, or Joe Strain. Both of them make gorgeous, gorgeous whips, and they both get nothing but great reviews. Bernardo is a little cheaper, but Joe made some for Crystal Skull. I'd love a Bernardo whip...

Shane

midwestwhips · Post by **midwestwhips** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:04 am

I don't like to self promote, but I wanted to chime in and mention that I give a substantial discount to COW members for Indy whips. I don't know how much longer I can keep these prices where they are, as roo hide prices have gone up, and the Australian Dollar has gone up as well.

Just thought I would mention that.

Regards,

Paul Nolan
www.midwestwhips.com

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:06 am

How much is your discount, if I may?

Shane

midwestwhips · Post by **midwestwhips** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:12 am

Hi Shane,

The prices were posted in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=24283

But here they are again:

6ft - $350
8ft - $400
10ft - $465
12ft - $550

I know I will be having to raise them some time early May, but I'm not sure exactly when just yet.

Regards,

Paul Nolan
www.midwestwhips.com

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:18 am

For your price range, Gus is the best bet= Good value, Good product, Good Guy.
Adam, Bernardo, and Joe do fabulous work, but their prices are somewhat higher.

Perhaps an alternative material?
Two of my favorite "heavy use" whips were made by Adam: one from cow hide and one from deer hide.
I am not sure about his current pricing, or his turn around time..

Good Luck

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Thu May 01, 2008 2:34 am

You should know there is never the Only One Whip Purchase (OOWP). It's a sickness you know. Now you've opened yourself up by not wanting SA. The world just got much, much bigger then an early 80's DM. You'll be back. We know you will. I'd say check out Louie Foxx.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu May 01, 2008 2:40 am

hollywood1340 wrote:You should know there is never the Only One Whip Purchase (OOWP). It's a sickness you know. Now you've opened yourself up by not wanting SA. The world just got much, much bigger then an early 80's DM. You'll be back. We know you will. I'd say check out Louie Foxx.

So true, and the same could be said for all the other gear...

Just one jacket, we said... and we end up with enough to last a movie production. Just one hat, we said... and we end up with enough hats to last through the Great Depression. Just one pair of shoes, we said... and we end up with a an adventure pair and a dress pair... Well, you get the idea...

Do what I did. Instead of starting out buying one, just buy two. At least that way you won't have to wait in-between...

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:09 am

Yes, says I, oh so innocently and naively to myself several months ago....I'll just buy myself a little ol' bullwhip for old times sake....next thing I know I've got two, and now am thinking I'd like a third. Its like collecting DVDs, only more expensive. Luckily I'm not really into the hat and stuff, though wouldn't mind a mkvii I must admit.

Now that I mention it, and as a complete novice, what is a good type bag to get? What is recommended?

stealthboy · Post by **stealthboy** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:30 am

hollywood1340 wrote:You should know there is never the Only One Whip Purchase (OOWP). It's a sickness you know. Now you've opened yourself up by not wanting SA. The world just got much, much bigger then an early 80's DM. You'll be back. We know you will. I'd say check out Louie Foxx.

I'd second the recommendation for Louie. Also, I would go for the 12-plait and not a 8-plait. If this is your one-time whip purchase, make it right.

It's kinda funny speaking of SA, because back in the early 90's I bought a great 12-plait dark brandy-colored roo whip. Now with Crystal Skull, it's nearly SA! Lucky me.

IndianaSolo · Post by **IndianaSolo** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:26 am

hollywood1340 wrote:You should know there is never the Only One Whip Purchase (OOWP). It's a sickness you know. Now you've opened yourself up by not wanting SA. The world just got much, much bigger then an early 80's DM. You'll be back. We know you will. I'd say check out Louie Foxx.

I'm quite a sentimental. I have held CD's that are over 12yrs old and barely work but mean the world to me. I bought my expedition and I knew once it came in that it would be my one and only Indy jacket. I don't like clutter and unlike suits and ties, a bullwhip to me can be a one time only purchase. On that note, the above mention for a DelCarpio, or Strain whip would be nice but They are still over my budget. I'm pretty sure that the whip will be sitting around my home more than its being used and my wife will be grilling me about how I spent so much on something so useless. I want to minimize the cost, but without sacraficing the value vs. price curve, and I don't want to look at it and say I could've gotten better. Confusing, but thats pretty much how I make decisions

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:29 pm

I know what you mean about the one and only, and here's the thing, once you get into whipcracking you'll realize that some whips do some things better than others and that no one single whip will do everything perfectly well. It boils down to the right tool for the right job. Case in point, a 10 footer might be screen accurate, but they are heavier and you may eventually realize that it takes a lot out of you to crack that big sucker for a few hours every time you go out throwing the whip. An 8 footer is not as long as a 10, but it's a bit lighter and lets you practice longer before you start feeling the strain, and so using a lighter whip becomes a more pleasurable experience. On the other hand, a 6 footer whip is better for volleys and target work, but doesn't roll out like a longer whip does.

This being said, if what you are looking for a a good honest whip that looks the part, then I would consider Bernardo, Joe Strain or Paul/Lauren. This doesn't mean others aren't good, it's just what I am more familiar with.

Good luck in your quest,

Franco

Super Sleuth · Post by **Super Sleuth** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:24 pm

Im planning on getting a winrich to maybe not the roo but his indy on a budget looks good especially in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_R0xIvT-o

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:01 pm

Well unless you are very strapped for cash, holding out until you can get yourself an 8 plait is probably not a bad idea. While there is nothing wrong with a Indy on a budget whip, an 8 plait whip will be a bit more fluid and will have the added benefit of having the herringbone or whipmaker's plait design, which is the same as on a 12 plait but done with fewer strands. A well-made 8 plait cowhide whip is probably a closer match to what would have been available to Indy in the 30's and 40's, at least judging by the old catalogues... In any event Adam is more than cappable of making you a very good whip you will enjoy for a long time.

Franco

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:51 pm

I realize I'm predictable, but I recommend Bernie Wojcicki at EM-Brand whips. You can get a 12 plait 8ft roohide in any color you want for darn close to your price range you've stated. Check the bullwhip price and comparison thread. His service and craftsmanship are top shelf all the way!

Weston

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri May 02, 2008 1:55 am

Just wanted to chime in to say that I haven't really been taking orders for kangaroo whips since last summer, only making the occasional roo whip when I have time. I haven't yet updated my website to take away the roo whip information.

With my 4-plait whips, I find that I'm actually able to better control the balance and taper of the whip with only 4 strands than I can with 8 or 12 strands. The hardest part for me about making a good cowhide bullwhip in 8- or 12-plait is getting the strand drops to be perfect and not alter the taper of the whip. Of course, I'm being really picky.

I hope to have some time to make some kangaroo whips when I get home from California, but they won't be available through my website. I'm thinking of just making what I feel like and selling them at my shows or through Ebay. The only whips that I will offer regularly through the internet are the Indy-on-a-budget bullwhips, and the new prices will be $100 for a 6 ft, $150 for an 8 ft, and $175 for a 10 footer. I had a turnaround time of 3 months last year, and I'm hoping the price increase will greatly reduce the turnaround time.

-Adam