Mark Allen swivel Latigo 8ft.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:10 pm

Hi guys, I'm a new member, and I need to buy a whip for my Indy Gear.
I have a limited amount of funds available, but I am seriously considering this one: http://www.westernstageprops.com/Cart6.Asp. The Swivel handle 8 ft. latigo. The price is right, but I'd like to know your take on it.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:27 pm

Agent-Smith wrote:Hi guys, I'm a new member, and I need to buy a whip for my Indy Gear.
I have a limited amount of funds available, but I am seriously considering this one: http://www.westernstageprops.com/Cart6.Asp. The Swivel handle 8 ft. latigo. The price is right, but I'd like to know your take on it.

Well I hate swivel handles. And this one has no underlying belly so it would be hard to crack. For the price range you quoted I would go with a Lee Keppler whip. His url is:
www.adventure-supply.com

Here is his whip compared to a Morgan:

-Sergei

sab04 · Post by **sab04** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:43 pm

I've tried a mark allen 6foot swivel handle whip and they accually crack pretty good, and you have to twist the handle to accually make it swivel. It never swiveled when I was cracking it, unlike other american whips. It was also very strong. I'm thinking of getting a 12 footer for wraps

-Scott

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:08 pm

sab04 wrote:I've tried a mark allen 6foot swivel handle whip and they accually crack pretty good, and you have to twist the handle to accually make it swivel. It never swiveled when I was cracking it, unlike other american whips. It was also very strong. I'm thinking of getting a 12 footer for wraps
-Scott

Well good show. I generally like ALL Mark Allen products. That is good feedback. My bad...

-S

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:40 am

Please correct if I'm wrong. I am still trying to learn through the forum while Tim Bass finishes making my whip.

But regarding cracking a swivel handle and a leather and/or nylon whip, are not the techniques different? For some reason I was thinking that if a person becomes proficient at a swivel-handle whip and moves to a leather/nylon one, then s/he needs to re-learn to crack it.

Am I a bit off-base with that statement?

Thanks ahead of time for the input!

I.J.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:46 am

Indiana Joe wrote:Please correct if I'm wrong. I am still trying to learn through the forum while Tim Bass finishes making my whip.

But regarding cracking a swivel handle and a leather and/or nylon whip, are not the techniques different? For some reason I was thinking that if a person becomes proficient at a swivel-handle whip and moves to a leather/nylon one, then s/he needs to re-learn to crack it.

Am I a bit off-base with that statement?

Thanks ahead of time for the input!

I.J.

The swivel handle whip was intended to make the "overhead crack" easier by letting the whip rotate on the handle, instead of the person using the "ball and socket" technique with their grip, ball of their hand and wrist. So for beginners it's an easier whip to learn, but you are basically stuck with a limited whip, developing poor techniques. The swivel handle is NOT good for target work, because it swivels, rotates out of intended target plane.

But Scott mentioned that his swivel handled whip never swiveled so in essence he probably developed the proper technique. And I know a number of others here have put a nail in the handle so as to stop the swivel action.

So IJ, you are correct in your observation. A person really needs to relearn how to crack when you first learn on a swivel. We all look forward on you getting your Tim Bass whip, me especially.

Take Care...

-S

Indiana_Hall · Post by **Indiana_Hall** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:21 am

While I see your point, Sergei, I am inclined to disagree about a swivel handle not being good for target work. Personally, I learned whip cracking on a swivel handle. While it swiveled unbelievably, I was always able to get the whip to hit my intended target. After much practice, I was able to control the swiveling motion. Unfortunately, this did affect the thong conjunction after a while.
Come to think of it, many of the whip artists back in the era of the 50's through the 70's used swivel handles. Considering that many of these men were cutting cigarretes out of people's mouths, I would hardly call them innacurate.
Just my .02...

High Regards, Indiana_Hall

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:30 am

So, if I'm understanding the gist of the different points of view, then, all things being equal, one proficient with a standard handle whip would have some difficulty in performing target work if s/he had just picked up a swivel handle.

And the other side of the coin is that one proficient in the use of a swivel handle would have difficulty doing target work if s/he picked up a standard handle whip.

Sounds like different techniques for different types of whips, eh? Well, as long as we're enjoying it!

I.J.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:36 am

I suppose whatever whip you start to learn on and as well as you are hitting your targets, is all that matters. Yes, I know a lot of whip cracking stars used the swivel handles. I guess what I am trying to say is that in target work there is some compensating motion you learn with a swivel. After awhile it becomes 2nd nature. But my point is the physics of it. If you take out the rotational vector of the whip by it not rotating on a swivel, life does become easier. It's common sense.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 1:22 pm

Sergei wrote:If you take out the rotational vector of the whip by it not rotating on a swivel, life does become easier. It's common sense.

That's why I drop a wood screw right where the white dot is on my whip to stop that swivel.

Just my $.02,
Pyr.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Sun Dec 22, 2002 11:56 pm

Not to disregard your posts guys, but I wasn't really referring to the whip cracking, I was refferring to the color, look etc.. Does it LOOK like a good Indiana Jones whip?

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:12 am

Agent-Smith wrote:Not to disregard your posts guys, but I wasn't really referring to the whip cracking, I was refferring to the color, look etc.. Does it LOOK like a good Indiana Jones whip?

In my opinion, NO. For the same money, I would go with the Keppler and it looks a little closer. See the above pictures of a Keppler compared to a Morgan.

-S

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:20 am

Agreed.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:09 pm

The only problem is, I need the whip by mid-March the latest. Do you think that Lee would be able to assemble one for me in that short a timeframe?

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:14 pm

Agent-Smith wrote:The only problem is, I need the whip by mid-March the latest. Do you think that Lee would be able to assemble one for me in that short a timeframe?

Lee doesn't make them. He usually has them in inventory. Send him a note and tell him your timeframe.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:14 pm

Do you know if he has brown, Indiana Jones colored ones, or are they all black like in the picture?

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:01 pm

Unfortunately all he has are the black ones. -S

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:32 pm

That's too bad, his price is very good. I need a whip that looks, at least in color, like Indy's. I've contacted Tim Bass about his Nylon whips. The Tan is too light to look like Indy's, but he says the chocolate brown would be the closest to look Indiana Jones-like. Have any of you seen Tim's chocolate Brown nylon either in a sample or a full whip? Is the color O.K?

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:09 pm

Agent-Smith wrote:I've contacted Tim Bass about his Nylon whips. The Tan is too light to look like Indy's, but he says the chocolate brown would be the closest to look Indiana Jones-like. Have any of you seen Tim's chocolate Brown nylon either in a sample or a full whip? Is the color O.K?

Tim is making me one as I type this. I expect it to arrive within the next two weeks.

I went with chocolate brown, 8ft, and requested a six inch wrist loop to be put on the end of the handle. I agree with you that the tan is much too light. It may look like a brand new natural color leather whip but you know those darken quickly with use. Since I'm going for the broken-in look anyway, the chocolate seemed to be the way to go for me.

I can let you know when I get the whip. I'll have to send some pics to somebody here who can post them for me but I don't anticipate that being a problem. Then, hopefully, it's off to the gym in Athens with Indydawg et. al. to get some much needed practice!

I.J.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 7:07 pm

Indiana Joe,
you are a godsend, dude. I've been debating whether or not to go with Tim's Chocolate brown nylon for like 3 weeks already. I anxiously await the delivery of your whip as much as you do lol
Don't forget to give us your initial impressions of the whip, as well as those pictures. Thanks a ton!!!!!!

Lee Keppler · Post by **Lee Keppler** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 7:08 pm

Uh,,,Sergei...my whips are dark brown, not black.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:19 pm

The ones on your site look quite dark, much like black, with some brown in between. In any case, does your previous post mean that you have lighter brown whips in stock, or do you only carry the ones pictured on your site?

sab04 · Post by **sab04** » Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:32 am

I just got a 12 foot swivel handle whip (like kind your concidering getting) and it is a chocolate brown. The only black on it is the handle. I must say the color is quite indy looking.
-Scott

Lee Keppler · Post by **Lee Keppler** » Wed Dec 25, 2002 5:56 pm

The whips are dark brown, however, the picture is a bit dark. Notice how dark the natural tan Morgan looks. Also my handle is covered in braided leather instead of radiator hose

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Wed Dec 25, 2002 8:59 pm

Wow, the LK whips I have seen in person look black. That's one dark brown. Nice whip, looks sturdy.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:02 pm

I have owned a 10ft swivel handle from Mark Allen for about three years now, wow has it been that long?, anyways I love the whip, for the price you can't beat it, however I would have to say, go with Lee's bullwhip, it's more accurate, and anything from Lee is of the highest quality as far as I am concerned! Either that or EC Whips.

Agent-Smith · Post by **Agent-Smith** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 12:58 am

Josh, I've pretty much ruled out lee's whip for myself. Could you post some pics of your mark allen swivel 10 footer for us to see? I'd really like a better pic than the one on mark's site. I need to see the color of the whip better. The color is number one on my list of important attributes my whip needs to have if I'm gonna buy it. I'm probably not going to get into much actual whip cracking, just something to hang from my belt. I need it to look kinda around the same color as indy's, maybe a little darker.

Mark Allen swivel Latigo 8ft.

Mark Allen swivel Latigo 8ft.

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