Where are all the Indy Greys???

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:31 am

I will give you this much- in this grab, and ONLY this grab, the hat looks grey. What is up with this? We need a GOOD picture of a CURRENT hat that is this color for comparison!

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have a nice day.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:13 am

I've always said that the hat the nazi agent is wearing in the pic above is THE hat HF was wearing on the Clipper and at the end of the film. As Fedoar pointed out, you can see the tight bash that's been pushed out, very clearly.

now, we keep seeing things like this:

I just don't get it?! How are we convinced this hat is grey? The interior of the airplane is grey, and the hat doesn't look anything like that. Why is it , somebody please explain to me , have we come to the conclusion that it is grey?

However, how can anyone be certain the interior of the plane is grey? How can anyone be certain of anything in regards to color? All of this speculation floating around when first, they use filters and things on the camera while filming. Take into account also that they film at different parts of the day when light changes. Then they process that film in a lab where chemicals may have been used, then there is the transfer to vhs where other color elements may be changed, then I'm sure they changed it again when the dvd was remastered. This isn't even taking into account that all of us have different settings on out monitors.
My illustration teacher in college had about 100 pictures of the Taj Mahal in our class. He did this to show how different in color and hue they all were, even though they were pics of the exact same thing and from the same angle.
NOT ONE photograph or frame of film will duplicate the original color given in nature.
Basically, without seeing the original hat, we can all do nothing more than speculate, speculate, speculate.
Until one of us see's the actual hat and can compare it, not one vendor can claim to have a hat that matches the original, even closely, simply because we have no idea what the original color was. We can only speculate that it looks close, or not.

In the end, I think the majority agree's it's some hue of grey. Remember, grey is absent of color, BUT throw in a tad of brown, or a tad of blue and it looks completely different.

I'm guessing we'll never ever know and we can all go on buying hats in any shade of grey we'd like and it'll be all good.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:42 am

I believe someone on this forum (I forget who it is) has been on that airplane and can atest as to the color of the interior. As to the rest of your reply, I agree, BUT grey is not absent of color, black is.

have a nice day.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:08 am

MK was one of the folks who has been on the plane, and there are photos posted somewhere around here. He also did the color comparisons at the time, so that's one of our sources for the color correctness. Regards! Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:14 am

Texas Raider wrote:I will give you this much- in this grab, and ONLY this grab, the hat looks grey. What is up with this? We need a GOOD picture of a CURRENT hat that is this color for comparison!

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have a nice day.

Tex, in this pic you post you can see the remains of the tight front pinch. Its the same hat that Indy wore.

I would post more pics, but I don't have anyway to get screen grabs.

And as far as evidence goes, well, in the same pics where you say you see brown, I see grey. I think that last pic you posted shows the color of the hat as true as can be.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:19 am

Michaelson, this?
http://www.regular-guy.com/adventure_to_SF.html

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:21 am

That's the one! Thanks ITG!!! Regards! Michaelson

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:48 am

hey j-weaver, how tall do you think that crown is in that pic you got there?

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:08 pm

I don't know, maybe 6". Is it me or does the ribbon look wider than Indy's ribbon?

Mattdeckard · Post by **Mattdeckard** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:20 pm

See tis thread. My Lasalle grey Optimo.

viewtopic.php?t=4828&highlight=lasalle

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:23 pm

As to the rest of your reply, I agree, BUT grey is not absent of color, black is.

LOL! First, you prove me wrong, then I see you're wrong in trying to prove me wrong. WHITE, is the absence of color, BLACK is a combination of all the colors of the spectrum. I think we can both agree though that grey is somewhere in between.

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:31 pm

agent5 wrote:I think we can both agree though that grey is somewhere in between.

Yeah, Grey has always been a GREY area.....

8-[

Okay, I'll stop now.... ha!

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:36 pm

Weeeeeeeeeeeell, not to get into an optics argument but it all depends on how you look at it. Technically, if you mix all color lights in the spectrum what you're left with is a white light. That's because the color white reflects all light. So the light that is actually received in your eyeball after it's reflected from a white object is conmprised of all colors. Black on the other hand absorbs all light frequencies, which means that no light from that area makes it back to your eye. Since no light makes it back to your eye, you see nothing, or would in a perfectly black object. Instead you see black.

So white is really the presence of all colors, and black is really the absence of any color. Regardless, it's a gray area.

Bah, looking below I see MJ beat me to thart pun... curses

Band Director Jones · Post by **Band Director Jones** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:10 pm

Texas Raider wrote:AND grey is spelled WITH AN E!

First, let’s get this straight once and for all. It is supposed to be spelled GRAY. GREY is an alternate (and seldom professionally used) spelling. Check it out here.

It seems I'm the only one posting pics,(evidence) to prove a point. It's not that I'm trying to prove it is brown so much as I would like you to prove it is grey. Everyone is just on a bandwagon that it is grey without showing definitive proof! It seems that everyone one would just PREFER it be grey. That ribbon looks brown, the hat looks frosty brown with GREY OVERTONES. Someone post some freakin' decent picks to prove that it is grey,please!

For me, your pictures are proving that the hat IS gray. But for further proof, here is a video clip (in Windows Media Video format) of Indy entering the plane. As you can see, it goes from a dark gray to a lighter gray, back to a darker gray, then back to a lighter gray when he sits down. The lighting is obviously making the hat change colors, but it remains gray.

It is probably somewhere between this gray:

And this gray:

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:14 pm

Ok ok....let's say real light black, or a REAL REAL dirty white. Does that work?

Regards! Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:15 pm

Thanks for posting that BDJ. That hat is gray, no two ways about it.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:40 pm

Grey vs. Gray. It depends what part of the world you live in, my firend. I knew someone (an American) who spent some time going to school in England. He got pointed out for spelling "Lake Erie" wrong. The British spelling is along the lines of "Lake Eerie" or something. Other notables are color vs. colour, advertizement vs. advertisement, etc. Both spellings are correct, it just matters where you live.

Also, color mixing differs whether it is optical (light) mixing, as in TV sets or theatre lights, or mixing color as on a canvas with paint. So I think the "absence of color" argument varies a bit between the two. Any optical scientists around here?

bink (spelled correctly with a lower case "b" I might ad)

Indyjim · Post by **Indyjim** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:59 pm

I am not an optical scientist but I am a photographer and I can tell you that white light is the combination of red, blue and green light from the visible spectrum. Also known as the additive colors. The subtractive colors are yellow, magenta and cyan. What you see as color is greatly affected by several things, not the least of which is the color temperature of the light falling on the object. The human eye has a remarkable ability to translate the color of some object into the color you think it should be, but in reality is not.
For instance, a sheet of white paper in your living room lit by normal light bulbs appears white to you because you think it supposed to be white and your brain translates it as such. In reality there is a lot of yellow in it. Many kinds of blue dresses I have photgraphed over the years ended up printing as purple because of the dyes used and the way light, flash or daylight, reflected off of or was absorbed by those dyes. Fluorescent light is green, incandescent is yellow, mercury vapor is blue, and so on. I can make a gray background white by putting more light on it, I can make it black by withholding light, I can make it red by putting red light on it, etc. The point is, the color temperature of the light as well as the amount of light used in filming the interior of the plane is going to affect the way the hat looks, as well as other objects that light might be bouncing off of.
It could well look brown, brownish gray or anything else. The true color would have to be determined by viewing the hat in the most natural light possible and that would be as Indy sits by the window. Even if that was lit by studio lights, as it probably was, they would still be balanced for daylight, so that's as accurate as you are going to get. There are just too many other variables to determine the true color as Indy walks through the plane.
By the way, an object in a totally dark room, has no color! People have argued that a red shirt in total darkness is still a red shirt. Wrong. It has no color until some color of light from the visible spectrum falls on it and is reflected off it or absorbed by it. When I did black and white I made blue skies print as black by using a red filter over the lens, which absorbed all of the blue light and prevented it from reaching the film, thus
giving no density on the film and making the the sky a dramatic black.
Bink, you are correct. Primary pigment colors are red, blue and YELLOW, not green.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:46 am

Indyjim wrote:I am not an optical scientist but I am a photographer and I can tell you that white light is the combination of red, blue and green light from the visible spectrum. Also known as the additive colors. The subtractive colors are yellow, magenta and cyan. What you see as color is greatly affected by several things, not the least of which is the color temperature of the light falling on the object. The human eye has a remarkable ability to translate the color of some object into the color you think it should be, but in reality is not.
For instance, a sheet of white paper in your living room lit by normal light bulbs appears white to you because you think it supposed to be white and your brain translates it as such. In reality there is a lot of yellow in it. Many kinds of blue dresses I have photgraphed over the years ended up printing as purple because of the dyes used and the way light, flash or daylight, reflected off of or was absorbed by those dyes. Fluorescent light is green, incandescent is yellow, mercury vapor is blue, and so on. I can make a gray background white by putting more light on it, I can make it black by withholding light, I can make it red by putting red light on it, etc. The point is, the color temperature of the light as well as the amount of light used in filming the interior of the plane is going to affect the way the hat looks, as well as other objects that light might be bouncing off of.
It could well look brown, brownish gray or anything else. The true color would have to be determined by viewing the hat in the most natural light possible and that would be as Indy sits by the window. Even if that was lit by studio lights, as it probably was, they would still be balanced for daylight, so that's as accurate as you are going to get. There are just too many other variables to determine the true color as Indy walks through the plane.
By the way, an object in a totally dark room, has no color! People have argued that a red shirt in total darkness is still a red shirt. Wrong. It has no color until some color of light from the visible spectrum falls on it and is reflected off it or absorbed by it. When I did black and white I made blue skies print as black by using a red filter over the lens, which absorbed all of the blue light and prevented it from reaching the film, thus
giving no density on the film and making the the sky a dramatic black.
Bink, you are correct. Primary pigment colors are red, blue and YELLOW, not green.

SO- basically what you are saying , indyjim, is that the hat is a light brown heather taupe, right!? With a dark brown ribbon-

There you have it , folks! It's settled! Light brown heather taupe with grey/gray highlights! The man said it himself! Read it! Words don't lie

freakin' hat! :evil:

have a nice day.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:53 am

J_Weaver wrote:Thanks for posting that BDJ. That hat is gray, no two ways about it.

What th'? BDJ posts a picture of HIS grey hat and that proves Indy's is grey?

In that case, I'll post a pic of my black Wested Raiders, so Indy's MUST be black.

I do stand corrected on the spelling of grey/gray. Both are good. (I was not THAT serious about it) . But I do know black is the absence of all color and white is the presence of all color. So, Agent5, I wasn't so 'wrong' in proving you 'wrong'.

have a nice day

Indyjim · Post by **Indyjim** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:42 am

No, I still think its gray. And I am baseing that on the color I see while Indy is at the window. Thats where it looks the gray-ist to me. I'm saying the color cannot be determined while he's walking through the plane, there just isn't enough light on it. Check out his suit in one of the previously posted screen grabs. It looks black. But when he sits by the window and raises his arm, it is definitely blue.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:48 am

That hat may very well be gray. It has always looked gray on my television, though my new television, which is HDTV makes it look more brown. I have heard many experts here who profess that it is gray and they offer compelling theories and may very well be right. However, my opinion is this, I have seen brown hats look gray in certain lighting; Indy's hat is brown and I don't think he would carry two hats; so I think the hat is brown.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:36 am

Texas Raider wrote:
J_Weaver wrote:Thanks for posting that BDJ. That hat is gray, no two ways about it.
What th'? BDJ posts a picture of HIS grey hat and that proves Indy's is grey? In that case, I'll post a pic of my black Wested Raiders, so Indy's MUST be black.

I do stand corrected on the spelling of grey/gray. Both are good. (I was not THAT serious about it) . But I do know black is the absence of all color and white is the presence of all color. So, Agent5, I wasn't so 'wrong' in proving you 'wrong'.

have a nice day

No Tex, he posted a video of indy entering the plane!

he slowed it down too,so you can get a good look at the hat. It looks very gray to me.
Here!

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:05 pm

I just watched the vedio that BDJ posted again. There is no doubt in my mind that the hat is gray.

1. If you notice in the backgraound you can see the Nazi with the brown hat sitting down about the same time Indy does. The brown hat appears nearly black. Indy's gray hat just looks gray to me.

2. The hat is not distressed or turned.

3. At a point in time when people dressed nicely, why would Indy wear a dirty old brown hat with a navy blue suit? It wouldn't be too much trouble to pack a hat away. I've read several post about rolling hats so that they could be packed for travel.

But like Pagey said, it really doesn't matter. Its about what we see, and I see a gray hat.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:08 pm

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:14 pm

Am I the only one who doesn't care what colour the hat really was?

Yes.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:38 pm

agent5, I agree with you. I don't really care. I do own a raiders grey ( petersbrothers) so I can wear it with a navy suit. I hope to get a Adventurebilt grey aswell.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:12 pm

I'd say it seems you DON'T agree with Agent 5

True, Langpuss. My comment was simply in jest anyways. However, this thread has become a debate about the color accuracy of the hat and your post, which described fully the opinion of many on the board, has no bearing on the question at hand. That's simply why I found it funny. I know full and well that your in the majority in terms of your opinion, which I respect, but I'm your flipside.

So, Agent5, I wasn't so 'wrong' in proving you 'wrong'.

Oh yeah. I stand corrected. Twice.

Always nice to relearn some things. God, was college really 12 years ago???!!!

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:42 pm

sorry pagey, I guess I agree with you.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:04 am

What were we talkin' about again?

Oh , yeah, about watching that video- believe me, I've watched the DVD on my laptop over and over and OVER and OVER and OVER to the 4th power!! I see a brown hat. Indy wears a brown hat. Different shades of brown, but brown.

have a nice day.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:42 am

Well then, we'll all agree that Swales was lying to me about making two gray hats for the movie when I spoke to him in '85 and move on, live and do well...ok?

Regards. Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:30 am

Ok.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:54 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well then, we'll all agree that Swales was lying to me about making two gray hats for the movie when I spoke to him in '85 and move on, live and do well...ok? Regards. Michaelson

You know, I always forget that little tidbit! Now this fact is worthy of the Main Page!

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:57 pm

It USED to be there. Not sure where it went, but with all the past crashes, who knows?

Regards! Michaelson

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:27 pm

Texas Raider,
I think what Michaelson is saying in a very indirect way is that you need to adjust the color on your monitor.

I highly doubt that just 4 years after making the hat that Swales would forget about what color it was. After all, it was his buisiness to know.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:28 pm

Is that what I was saying?!

Regards! Michaelson

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:26 am

I'm NOT doubting what Swales is saying.I NEVER brought that into question.(thanks for the implied insult, Michaelson. Must I throw in Noodlemyer also says that the Aldens were Redwings) People say LOTS of stuff. Like I said in that one screen grab it looks grey. It IS possible that swayles made a hat that WAS NOT used on screen, who knows. I don't have to adjust any monitor, it looks the same on my television, too. Sorry, but there just is no definitive evidence to either grey or brown, we'll never really know, unfortunately. If you see grey, that's great, I see brown. We can agree about disagreeing.

have a nice day.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:47 am

TR, if my reply was infered as being insulting in any way, implied or not, I apologize, as that was absolutely NOT my intention, nor was it stated as such. If I wanted to insult someone, they'd get it up the side of the head and there would be absolutely NO doubt what I meant.

What I TRIED to get across is that apparently all the research and phone calls that have been made at individuals expense (mine included) seem to be for absolutely nothing, as I not only had Swales tell me what he made, but Paramount prop folks in California told me that as well, as BOTH scenes using the gray hat(s) were shot in California, and therefore both located at the Paramount studios IN the prop department when I spoke to them so long ago. They were sent then to Western Costume for stock with the rest of the extra costuming not kept by Lucasfilm, and from what I learned later, were sold in the usual Western Costume inventory reduction sales that happens every few years. The maddening thing about the prop department is they only kept these things in memory, and NEVER by actual record, but this information was gathered just after the release of Temple of Doom, and therefore only a few years after the actual production of Raiders, and still a fresh production in their collective minds.

I can't help what you THINK you see. That's what I was told by the folks who made the hat, and the ones who handed the hat to the costumers to put on Ford. I'm sorry if that isn't good enough for the folks who come here. I can't change what I was told by the professionals who were there when it happened.

As to the 'Redwings' comment...that's correct....and as a teaser, Lee Keppler was allowed access to a box of toss aways left over from Raiders in 83 or 84 that contained two pairs of used boots....one pair Aldens, and the other pair Redwings...WELL used, much distressed, and both the same size. Did Ford start out with the Redwings, then change over to his personal favorites, Alden 405s? That's the story on the lot, but DN is adament that only the REDWINGS's were used. Apparently she was unaware of the change in mid stream with Ford's preference, and has never changed her opinion. Who knows? Whatever the case, there were a pair of Redwings in the box, and only the word of mouth information was what Lee was able to get from the individual who allowed him access, so like everything else we have, you can accept or reject it.

Regards! Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:59 am

Wow, you learn something new everyday! I never knew that the Paramount people also confirmed the gray hats. I also had never heard that about the Redwings. Perhaps they were used by the stuntmen because they aer cheaper than the Aldens? Well, its a good reason to watch Raiders again.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:09 am

Michaelson wrote:TR, if my reply was infered as being insulting in any way, implied or not, I apologize, as that was absolutely NOT my intention, nor was it stated as such. If I wanted to insult someone, they'd get it up the side of the head and there would be absolutely NO doubt what I meant.

What I TRIED to get across is that apparently all the research and phone calls that have been made at individuals expense (mine included) seem to be for absolutely nothing, as I not only had Swales tell me what he made, but Paramount prop folks in California told me that as well, as BOTH scenes using the gray hat(s) were shot in California, and therefore both located at the Paramount studios IN the prop department when I spoke to them so long ago. They were sent then to Western Costume for stock with the rest of the extra costuming not kept by Lucasfilm, and from what I learned later, were sold in the usual Western Costume inventory reduction sales that happens every few years. The maddening thing about the prop department is they only kept these things in memory, and NEVER by actual record, but this information was gathered just after the release of Temple of Doom, and therefore only a few years after the actual production of Raiders, and still a fresh production in their collective minds.

I can't help what you THINK you see. That's what I was told by the folks who made the hat, and the ones who handed the hat to the costumers to put on Ford. I'm sorry if that isn't good enough for the folks who come here. I can't change what I was told by the professionals who were there when it happened.

As to the 'Redwings' comment...that's correct....and as a teaser, Lee Keppler was allowed access to a box of toss aways left over from Raiders in 83 or 84 that contained two pairs of used boots....one pair Aldens, and the other pair Redwings...WELL used, much distressed, and both the same size. Did Ford start out with the Redwings, then change over to his personal favorites, Alden 405s? That's the story on the lot, but DN is adament that only the REDWINGS's were used. Apparently she was unaware of the change in mid stream with Ford's preference, and has never changed her opinion. Who knows? Whatever the case, there were a pair of Redwings in the box, and only the word of mouth information was what Lee was able to get from the individual who allowed him access, so like everything else we have, you can accept or reject it.

Regards! Michaelson

This is all information that should be added to the Main Site. In these matters, this is about as close to definitive as anyone could possibly hope for. Michaelson, is there anything else you remember? You are a treasure trove.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:11 am

The information keeps getting diluted with each telling and posting. This used to be on the main page in the FAQ section when IG started years ago, but is no longer there. THAT'S why Fedora has been searching for SO many years for just the right color of gray, and it's evaded him for years....until his recent find of the current gray in his offerings. That's one of the reasons why MK WENT to Western Costume to see if anything could be found hiding back in the old inventory stock, but none were found.

It's the cliche 'what's old is now new again', as we've known and posted this information for years....and it keeps disappearing, then the old debates start up again and again.

That's why I'm referred to as ONE of the Knower of Things....but when folks no longer believe those 'things', it makes them moot points, doesn't it?

Regards! Michaelson

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:16 am

My hope is that once it is catalogued as "fact" on the Main Page, the debate dies down, or at least people can refer and quote from the stated information.
It's like Academia; once a discovery is made you go on, you go deeper, or beyond. What you shouldn't do is rehash the old arguments once the truth is known.
And this comes from someone who really thought the hat was brown. When confronted with a preponderance of facts, I adjust my opinions. -Most of the time.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:19 am

Perhaps they were used by the stuntmen because they aer cheaper than the Aldens?

I'd have to say no. The stunt guys would be wearing what the actors would be wearing. Continuity is one of the most important parts of everyday filming.

Yes, you do learn something everyday. Thanks for the story Michaelson. Never knew all of that. Too bad there's no way to tell where alot of this stuff went. The same thng happened to alot of the costumes provided by Bermans & Nathans. They were simply rented out by Paramount and most likely used for several other films, then sold over time as they invited in new inventory. Too bad Lucas didn't seem to want to keep the Indy stuff together as he did all the Star Wars stuff.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:00 pm

Wow, you learn something new everyday! I never knew that the Paramount people also confirmed the gray hats. I

Yep, these old guys here,

are vast storehouses of info. Remember, many of us have been involved in this Indy thing for over..............well, a long, long time.

A lot of legwork has been done in the past, and sometimes when that hard won info is discounted, it makes us testy.

Not speaking of myself of course. Now, with that said, we also are well aware of various, and self contradictory info. This gray hat argument has been repeated hundreds of times over the last 10 years, or since I have been into the internet. And some of us here were involved, way back then. Michaelson still meets the challenge each time, but there are many who just grew tired of it, and just sit and chuckle. But, personally, I like to see it brought up again, as there are more new folks here, who did not live through it.

My opinion is, Ford wore a gray hat, twice in the film. Gray hats go with dark blue suits, and surely the costumers were as careful to coordinate the hat with the clothes. Brown hat, brown leather jacket with coordinated pants and shirt, and boots. Gray hat with dark blue suit. Of course, I have eaten my share of hats over the years.

If anyone else has to do that, take my advice and use plenty of hot sauce. Kinda kills the fur taste. Fedora

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:38 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well then, we'll all agree that Swales was lying to me about making two gray hats for the movie when I spoke to him in '85 and move on, live and do well...ok? Regards. Michaelson

Actually, if they were made in the UK, they'd be grey and not gray...

I know I know.... I'll be quiet again....

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:43 pm

I think the hat is gray/grey, myself, but here is an interesting tid bit... here is a picture of Indy's suit from Last Crusade:

In the auction that sold it, it was described as being "light brown" (with faint green and purple stitching). I always thought it was a grey suit, and in this photo it still looks grey to me.

Kind regards,
Indy

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:01 pm

Indy, do you have any idea what the suit sold for?

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:38 pm

Indy, do you have any idea what the suit sold for?

Alot.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:59 pm

I am darn near convinced that the hat Indy is wearing in the plane is THIS hat.

Regards,

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:04 pm

I am darn near convinced that the hat Indy is wearing in the plane is THIS hat.

You are correct, sir. Good eye. However, this was already brought up in this very thread.