Bag and Mask

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:19 pm

So how many people actually got a gas mask (or other accesories) with thier MKVII bag? (or other MK bag).

I just got a original bag (with mask and accsories) but it's not a MKVII. Infact I'm not sure what version it is. It is stamped 1941, but I can't find any MK mark. There's a long number also. I'll try and post pictures. It's got a second back flap with thin pockets which a screw lid can with the Anti-Dimming cloth MKVI and eyeshields one box marked MKIII. Cool mask and the bag is pretty neat though not the screen accurate version. (maybe more correct period though if it's an earlier version?) I like the secondary flap with thin pockets. They would be good for a moleskin notebook or map or something.

Vannevar · Post by **Vannevar** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:13 pm

a little while back somebody posteda link to a german website which had all kinds of bags with magnificent reference pictures, I dont remember the topic or poster though.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:05 am

It sounds like a MKVI. WARNING! DO NOT PUT THE MASK ON! Those old filters contain asbestos! (read 'carcinogenic', cancer causing).

have a nice day.

Merrick · Post by **Merrick** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:48 am

Yep I reckon a MK VI as well. My MkVI is dated 1941 and is exactly as described

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:37 am

Thanks for the warning TR.

Ok, so it's probably a MKVI then. I may get pictures up later this eveing. If not then it won't be till next week as I'll be out of town for the weekend of the 4th.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:45 pm

Here's some pictures of the bag, mask and accessories.
Top 2: Font, back. Bottom 2: pretty obvious.

Indiana Wayne · Post by **Indiana Wayne** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:56 pm

Nice gas mask and bag IndyDoc!

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:51 am

Yes sir, that's a MKVI.

have a nice day.

jack · Post by **jack** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:18 pm

[quote="IndyDoc"]Here's some pictures of the bag, mask and accessories.
Top 2: Font, back. Bottom 2: pretty obvious.

Anti gas eye shields aswell! very good buddy

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:26 pm

How much did you pay for that MKVI?

Bought on ebay?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:37 am

Ah!

Mask: Mk V
Filter: Type E Mk VI
Bag: Mk VI

Service number:
Depending on if that digit is an old 5 or a B, it served in either the Royal Army Service Corps or the Royal Corps of Signals.

I would LOVE some shots of the accesories if possible. (Instructions still in there?)

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:02 am

Texas Raider wrote:It sounds like a MKVI. WARNING! DO NOT PUT THE MASK ON! Those old filters contain asbestos! (read 'carcinogenic', cancer causing).

have a nice day.

nice way to scare the h%#* out of someone who might've tried on an old gas mask.

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:10 am

Well, it's tue:

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.ph ... mId/382497
http://members.tripod.com/~gelean/geln_militaria.html

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:16 am

i know its true but if i had tried on an old mask and had heard that. i would be making a doctors appointment ASAP.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:13 am

Texas Raider wrote:It sounds like a MKVI. WARNING! DO NOT PUT THE MASK ON! Those old filters contain asbestos! (read 'carcinogenic', cancer causing).

have a nice day.

Glad i dont have any gas mask, just bags... but hey... is there any risk with the bags? Maybe some traces of that asbetos from the mask?

8-[ 8-[

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:41 am

So is it bad if we're carrying a pack of gum or breath mint strips around in our bags?

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:27 am

Jpevh wrote:
Texas Raider wrote:It sounds like a MKVI. WARNING! DO NOT PUT THE MASK ON! Those old filters contain asbestos! (read 'carcinogenic', cancer causing).

have a nice day.
nice way to scare the h%#* out of someone who might've tried on an old gas mask.

Are you saying that it would be better to let them walk around fat, dumb, and happy wearing their new gas mask until they die?

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:30 pm

Yeah, got it from ebay for about $40. ErriWan

I can get some more shots for you Swindiana. (after I get back in town...I'm visiting family) What are you looking for specificly? I don't think there's any instructions for using the mask. There's some instructions on the anti-diming tin and the eye sheields though.

Is asbestos THAT bad? Like you breath it once and could get cancer? I thought it was long/extended exposure.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:43 pm

Well yes i think it's just for long exposures, nothing can cause the cancer in few seconds except maybe a very high intensity of electromagnetic waves at hight intensity (aka radiations), but they should be very high... like touching uranium with your hands..

anyway please someone reassure me about the safety of the bags! i put also food in them sometimes

Merrick · Post by **Merrick** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:21 pm

It only takes one particle of asbestos erri-wan. It can sit in your lungs for 40 years before it does anything. It's expected it will be the plague of the baby-boomer generation soon. (I hope 'baby-boomer' isn't an Australian only term). They've already started taking asbestos related illnesses out of life insurance policies here, because they anticipate there will be so many. Sad.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:06 am

Merrick wrote:It only takes one particle of asbestos erri-wan. It can sit in your lungs for 40 years before it does anything.

Merrick nailed it. My dad had two tumors in his lungs when they detected them - the larger one was lung cancer. The smaller one was formed around a particle of asbestos. How many did he come in contact with before one settled in his lungs? Who knows for sure, really, but the point is it only took that one to form a tumor.

The 'good' news (notice 'good' is relative here) was that one was easier to reduce, but it still took chemo...and not everyone survives the treatment.

Better to scare a few folks than to be complacent and let someone else take the chance.

J

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:51 am

IndyDoc wrote: What are you looking for specificly?

Thanks, Doc.
A shot of the instructions mentioned would be great, and one underneath the filter, plus a shot inside and one under the "jaw" of the mask, if there are any markings.
No rush though.

Thanks!

Regards,
Swindiana

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:12 am

So about the bags???? Are they safe?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:42 am

It seems most of the bags that people get hold of these days have not had a mask and filter inside them while being stored for 60 years, so the filter was likely to be undamaged and leak-proof while being used, not letting its contents out. To be on a safer side, I'm not saying safe, I'd give the bag a wash to get rid of any unwanted particles. Asbestos in itself is not poisonous, it's the shape of the fibers/particles that makes it so bad to inhale, sticking to lung tissue forever. Not saying you should eat it either...

The point is, I'm not worried about it, but it is for each and everyone to decide for themselves. After all, the WPG replica is out there, and that's great.

I find this post pretty resourceful when it comes to asbestos used in some of the old filters;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gasmaskco ... essage/123

Regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:39 am

What Swindy said.
Do not ingest or inject bags and you'll be fine...

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:52 am

Except in a survival situation... or breakfast. Bring worchester sauce and some pork chops -it's a meal.

Oh, and one doesn't have to inject to be a bag junky anyway. Dangerous stuff.

Regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:48 am

Great. Now you made me hungry.

Where's that WPG again...?

jack · Post by **jack** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:19 pm

Indiana Texas-girl wrote:So is it bad if we're carrying a pack of gum or breath mint strips around in our bags?

No, being a ww2 re-enacter i have lots of resi's and cases, they're safe to have and the cases safe to store food in , just not safe to wear.

regards

Jack

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:20 pm

Here's some more detail pictures of the mask and accessories Swindy.

Indiana Wayne · Post by **Indiana Wayne** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:34 pm

Nice gas mask IndyDoc!

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:42 pm

Thanks, very Indy don't you think? It should be mandatory gear.

Indiana Wayne · Post by **Indiana Wayne** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:46 pm

Indy might need a gas mask, because you never know if the Nazis had beans the night before and have a gas attack the next day!

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:12 pm

That's right!

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:34 am

13 megabytes of the anti-dimming outfit.

Very Hi-Tech.

THANKS a bunch!
Last time I checked the link was down, but now it works for me.
Also, thanks for the PM, much appreciated. I have some pictures to go through now, see you next monday.

High regards,
Swindiana