Club Obi Wan

Hello all!

I was just curious to post a question about the Flightsuits under-arm Gussets....

If the original "Raiders" stunt jackets had the 2-piece under-arm Gussets placed on them, does Flightsuits incorporate them on their jackets or do they only have the 1-piece Gussets? The reason why I ask is because I thought that I had seen a Flightsuits Indy jacket with just the 1-piece....

Any pics of your underarm Flightsuits jackets anyone?


Kind Regards,
Captain D

Hello there Mikey....thank you for your response my friend! I was curious about this for some time, so thank you for your clarification!

High Regards,
Captain D

I only have one flightsuits indy, but it is a great jacket.

Cap'n,

I've owned and/or worn the dark lamb, deerskin, seal chrome goat, and pre-distressed cowhide Expedition jackets. All of them have/had two piece gussetts.

I.J.

This is good to know, thank you fellas for your responses!

BTW, while I am on the subject of Flightsuits, I was also curious to ask:

Does the Flightsuits come standard with:

1.) elastics underneath the lining?
2.) the back seam raised 1'' inch higher than the arm-sleeve seam?
3.) the back panel extended out to the arm-sleeves?
4.) the 2-piece under-arm Gussets

I've looked at the pics on the Indygear main site, but my computer isn't the greatest...clarity wise ...plus, it's on the verge of needing repair once again....

Plus the Flightsuits stitching is guaranteed (military specs) for the life of the jacket, correct?

Thank you again for taking the time to answer my questions!

High Regards,
Captain D

the answers to all your questions is, "yes"....the FS jacket fulfills all those.

That being said-be aware of the disparities in CS over the last few months since the change of management at G&B. I'm not sure if the right hand knows what the left hand is doing over there. Not trying to disparage at all, mind you-####, I've been under a rock for over a year and have NO idea what is going on at all, only speaking from personal experience, which has been less than exemplary (and we all know that their CS was above and beyond exemplary before, so....).

I'm just glad to have my two Westeds back under my roof again....they will NEVER be leaving the 'Dawg House' again, you can rest assured!

But as far as I know, the FS jacket is "what you see is what you get". That's a great jacket, but no "extras", if you know what I mean.

Later!
Indydawg

Hey there Dawg'!

It's good to see ya again!

Hmmmm, so you say that the Flightsuits (G & B) company aren't producing the high-quality Indy jackets as they once did...or just that the customer service isn't the greatest as it once was (or both? )

Thank you for your reply my friend!
Captain D

p.s- The reason why I had asked about whether or not the back seam was raised 1 '' inch higher than the arm sleeve-seam was because on the Flightsuits main site, you can click to enlarge the pic. And, on the pic of the BACK of the jacket, it looks as if the back seam is not raised 1 '' inch higher than the arm-sleeve seam....Again, my computer lacks good clarity, lol,

Well, I just double checked my Expo from this past spring, and the back seam is, indeed, raised 1" above where the arm seam hits the back panel. So, yeah-if they're still doing them the same way they were in the spring, it should be good to go.

No, I am not knocking the quality of their jackets-they make great jackets. I believe, if you'll dig through the archives, you'll find a GLOWING review of my distressed cowhide Expedition I got this past spring-it is one of a kind, mind you, with the M422-A lining, and the light brown vintgage cowhide, which I don't think they offer any longer-but it's a GREAT jacket. What I meant, was exactly what I said-with them, what you see is what you get. You get an extremely well made jacket, with no frills or fancy extra "stuff"....just a military inspired "adventure" jacket. It's built to take the abuse that most anyone could throw at it, but it isn't, by any stretch, what you get from a Wested jacket. Very utilitarian, I think, would be a good word to describe it. Yeah-utilitarian.

Now, that being said, I do stick by my comments about the CS-as I have personally experienced (granted I have not dealt with FS since around March of this year)-there is a lot to be desired since the change of hands there. Our good friend, Dave Marshall, is no longer with the company (I believe this is still correct, please let me know if I'm mistaken) and he was the point man for our discussions with _ and Lee Keppler when the jacket was in its fetal form. We are currently without a sympathetic ear there, is what I'm saying. And you know how that goes with us and all our "eccentricities" .

So....I guess that about covers it. At least from my POV, which, as I said, is blurred still from all the dirt and grime still covering my eyes from a year underground ...

Good to hear from you, too, man....I'm around a bit more these days, so don't be a stranger!
Later!
Indydawg

Captain D wrote:BTW, while I am on the subject of Flightsuits, I was also curious to ask:

....the Flightsuits stitching is guaranteed (military specs) for the life of the jacket, correct?

With all this talk of changing hands and subpar customer service I'm beginning to wonder if our previous Flightsuits purchases are still guaranteed. Not that my Expos need any fixin' but my curiosity is piqued.

I.J.

Hey there Dawg'!

Thank you for your time in answering my questions my man!

That's an interesting question there Indiana Joe....boy, I sure hope that their military stitching is still true to how they used to do them back in the day....

Please keep me updated on any news that you hear about this issue....since this is particular interesting...and important if I ever decide to go Flightsuits someday

Highest Regards,
Captain D

Another quick question about the Flightsuits ............

1.) Is their "Dark-Brown Goatskin" as dark as the Wested Dark Brown Goatskin?

2.) As far as sizing is concerned....I know that they tend to run a lil' larger than the Westeds,' but does anyone know what is equivelant to a size 44-46 Regular Wested in the Flightsuits Expedition jacket? (I've read different reports on sizing of the FS)....

"Thank you" for any suggestions!
Kind Regards,
Captain D

from the accursed and ###### Tennessee Vols (#### that Jabba the Hut lookin' Phil Fulmer...)....I'm looking for comfort and consolation....anybody else's team get beaten by a dispised enemy today???

Anyway....on topic now....

Yes, the FS dark brown goatskin is the exact same color as the Wested dark brown goatskin I have. And I am sure their construction of their jackets is still above par; I know it is on my FS Expo from the spring.

Also, in my experience, their jackets tend to run a couple of sizes larger than the Westeds. For example, if you wear a 44R Wested, you'd need a 42R FS jacket-at least that's the case with me.

About honoring their lifetime guarantee, I think that they do-I believe it's still on their website that they cover stitching and work on their jackets for the original owner as long as they own the jacket. If you've bought a FS jacket from someone else, though, the coverage is null and void.

I think that about covers it.

I have to go drown my sorrows now, as I watch the hopes of another national championship float away into the night as the intonations of that ###### "Rocky Top" waft through the Classic City....

Indydawg wrote:from the accursed and ###### Tennessee Vols (#### that Jabba the Hut lookin' Phil Fulmer...)....I'm looking for comfort and consolation....anybody else's team get beaten by a dispised enemy today???

Nope. Bama beat Kentucky 45-17, so I'm a happy camper.

Glad to hear that!

What about Florida? Did Florida lose?

Later!
Indydawg

Indydawg wrote:.....Also, in my experience, their jackets tend to run a couple of sizes larger than the Westeds. For example, if you wear a 44R Wested, you'd need a 42R FS jacket-at least that's the case with me.

About honoring their lifetime guarantee, I think that they do-I believe it's still on their website that they cover stitching and work on their jackets for the original owner as long as they own the jacket. If you've bought a FS jacket from someone else, though, the coverage is null and void.

Keep in mind that Indydawg likes his jackets to fit big on him!
My 44R Wested fits the same as my 40R Expo. At least that's the case with me.

I figured the same regarding the warranty since that only makes sense. But I just wanted to hear it from someone in the know.

I.J.

I can't say myself, as my FS Expo is a made to measure, but is sized in a 42R with altered sleeve length. My 44R Wested is a bit large, and a Wested size 42R with 25 inch sleeves fits me perfectly. The FS 42R off the rack standard fits fine body wise, but the sleeves are WAY to short on me. For me to get the proper sleeve length, I had to go to a 44R, but the body is quite a bit larger. I do own a FS lambskin A-2, so this is from personal experience that I'm relating these facts.

All this said, I'd not go with any standard upsizing or downsizing myself. There appears to not BE a rule of thumb here. I'd supply YOUR measurements to FS, then ask them to compare them to their standard sizing patterns, if you're not going with a made to measure jacket. Capt. D, I'd say from our past jacket experiences in trades and the like, you're probably going to require a 44R off the rack to get the same needed 25+ inch sleeve length. Still, ask them.

So, Dawg, the Vols won? I work for UT, and honestly had no idea. Guess you can tell my interests haven't changed any. (grins)

Regards. Michaelson

Hey guys!

In one of our many E-mails, back n' forth between Flightsuits and I, I brought up the question about their jackets STILL being made to military standards, even with the absence of Mr. Marshall (I think I asked them so many times, I drove them nuts ) and here is what they said:

"As for stitching; we sew the Expedition jackets the same way we sew our Military jackets. So of the question of having Military quality stitching then yes it does have the same quality as the Military jackets."

They said that they still make the jackets the same "today" as they always had been for over the course of 2 years, so this lil' bit of info is good to know

Thank you for ALL of your replies everyone!!
High Regards,
Captain D

those @#$%^ Vols won. And thank you SO much for reminding me. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice in it!!!! :evil:


Those SOBs....

And D-he's right about that. I'm a VERY atypical jacket wearer....one shouldn't necessarily go with MY experiences to guage decisions about their jackets....

Later y'all!
And don't anybody mention that game ever again.... ...
Indydawg