Jell seems popular for the jackets, so why...

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:32 am

... does Pecard recommend the Classic Leather dressing instead? (Even on its Indy gear-friendly pages...)

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:56 am

Well, precisely my point. Pecards recommends the lotion for lamb and the classic dressing for the rest. So what I'm asking is, why is there now a growing popularity for a third option; the jell?

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:58 am

Because the Jell is good at softening really stiff leathers like Goatskin. :junior: -IJ

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:12 am

IndianaJones wrote:Because the Jell is good at softening really stiff leathers like Goatskin. :junior: -IJ

Right, so why isn't it Pecard's default solution?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:31 am

INDIANAMIKEY wrote:What do you mean?????

What do you mean, 'what do I mean'?

Everyone raves about jell for the heavier leathers, like it's the second coming. If it's so good, why isn't it the default suggested product from Pecard's? Because, currently, it's not. Pecard's suggests Classic for the heavier leathers. It's only here that Jell seems to have a real fan base.

And that could be TOTALLY justified, so I'm not interested in people getting defensive over this. I just want to know why the product is so popular, but it's not actually what Pecard's recommends for these jackets.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:58 am

...whereas Jell only conditions. :junior: -IJ

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:26 am

Irwin, as you can see, the Pecard issue is one of those dead horses around here. Your question is probably best answered by Eric at Pecard... why not just write to him?

contact@pecard.com

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:25 am

I might just do that, however, through what the guys have already said, I can see the two uses for the product and why, perhaps, Pecard defers to the 'do all' product, rather than just the conditioner.

And Mikey, I wasn't saying that you were getting defensive; I was pre-empting people writing follow-up posts that were defensive; because the nature of what I'm asking is, essentially, 'So why is this stuff so good, when Pecard doesn't recommend it on their site for Indy jackets?' I just wanted to pre-empt people who do use it on their jacket, thinking I was having a shot at them, by suggesting that if Pecard doesn't rate it, why do they? And that's not what I was doing; hence the plea in advance for no one to get defensive about what I was saying. I know this place now - and trust that explains it.

cliffhanger · Post by **cliffhanger** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:52 am

Leather Loco wrote:The jell has the *exact* same ingredients as the dressing and oil. It is for you people that don't have the patience to let gravity and leather do its thing. The jell will soak into the leather faster than the dressing and allow you to relax your leathers sooner than if you were using the dressing exclusively.

Michaelson will really clear this up, as I get thoroughly confused myself, but the jell and the classic dressing are basically the same thing, with, as it says above, the jell absorbing faster. I use the classic for my Aldens, and the motorcycle lotion for my lamb Wested.

Pecard's web site says to use the Jell for the initial two-three times you condition the leather, especially for new leather items that are stiff (i.e. thicker leathers). Just be careful not to over apply as it absorbs faster than the standard Classic.

Again, if it comes down to it, PM Michaelson, or perhaps he will stop by. Hope I helped a bit!

Peace,
Cliffhanger

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:55 am

Nah, I think we've got a great grip on it right here - esp. with that last comment you found. Cheers

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:17 am

Hopefully this doesn't add more confusion to the matter, but since goatskin is naturally water repellant, I felt there was no need to condition the jacket with a water repellant-based Pecard product. I used the gell to condition my jacket and to add some basic extra protection to it.

bink

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:11 am

The classic contains beeswax....the jell does not. Pecards claim to fame (it's touted right in their logo) is 'like water off a duck's back' water repellant quality of the standard dressing. As has been said, the jell is more of a deep conditioner, and does not add the initial tacky feel to the leather, nor is it a 'default' to the standard dressing, as it's not SUPPOSED to be a default product. The standard dressing conditions and 'water proofs'.....the jell only deep conditions. Plain as that. It's also a late comer to the product line, and most of their literature doesn't even list it. They pretty much created it for OUR use, believe it or not. I received the first container to test, and made the suggestion to change the name to 'leather jell', rather than the current 'leather creme', as there's absolutely nothing 'creamy' in appearace about this stuff. Hope that helps add a bit more info to the discussions, or at least clarifies it a bit more. I agree with everything else above...both standard and the jell add physical weight to the leather with application, where the water based leather lotion does not, and is suggested for use on lambskin, but that's a whole different topic.....Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:25 am

"Pecard Use Clarification" was a thread back in the jacket section but maybe it should've been moved here. Anyway, there is a lengthy discussion and Flathead also provides a good breakdown.
http://www.indygear.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5416

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:26 am

Actually, it's at the top of this section in an 'announcement' position, and written by Eric himself. Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:34 am

It would help if I looked at the sticky's every now and then, wouldn't it?
I think I picked the wrong week to quit drinking coffee---my whole week's been like this.

Thanks for the clarification, Michaelson!
High regards,
I.J.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:42 am

What would happen if one put the waterbased solution on a heavier jacket? Not much?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:46 am

Quit....coffee.....what a revolting development!

Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:10 pm

Michaelson wrote:Quit....coffee.....what a revolting development! Regards. Michaelson

Agreed. Joe's decison to quit drinking coffee has to be the most disturbing thing I have read all week here at COW.

Back to the Pecards issue, I prefer the leather lotion. It applies easily and dries fast. Earlier this year, when applying thin layers on my jacket, it dried so fast that I was able to wear my jacket the next day. Apparently, one of the ways you can apply it is to spray it on - sounds like a great way to get a very thin coat of it on the jacket. Granted it doesn't have the water proofing properties (it's water repelant not water proof), but it's still a great option.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:02 pm

In Jess's case, it a great skin care product too. Takes years off his face....or so he thinks. 8-[

Regards. Michaelson

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:07 pm

Michaelson wrote:In Jess's case, it a great skin care product too. Takes years off his face....or so he thinks. 8-[ Regards. Michaelson

So would Sandpaper in Jess's case.....

Hoo-Ra! (in my best R. Lee Remy voice....)

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:20 pm

8-[ High regards. Michaelson
(MJ, Jess is going to short sheet both of us at the summit if we keep this up!

)

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:25 pm

Gee thanks you guys!

I expected something like that from you Michaelson, but not you too MJ!

Well MJ, since you don't make it a habit of slamming me, the odds are good that you'lll only get short sheeted at the QM gathering. However, for you Michaelson, I have something a little more devilish in mind. I'll just have to remember to bring my container of Acetone this year! BTW, exactly how many of your jackets are you bring to the QM this year?

Edit - Michaelson, I have a better idea for you! ... Watermoccasin Heather

Just for your information - I prefer using the sandpaper first then the lotion - it helps ease the sandpaper burn.

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:01 am

Indiana Jess wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Quit....coffee.....what a revolting development! Regards. Michaelson
Agreed. Joe's decison to quit drinking coffee has to be the most disturbing thing I have read all week here at COW.

Okay. I my name is Indiana Joe and I'm a coffee-holic. I choked yesterday, guys.

I needed a shot of caffeine and was tempted by the alluring scent of a pot of french roast coffee. Two cups later I was back to normal!

Indiana Jess wrote:Back to the Pecards issue, I prefer the leather lotion. It applies easily and dries fast. Earlier this year, when applying thin layers on my jacket, it dried so fast that I was able to wear my jacket the next day....Granted it doesn't have the water proofing properties (it's water repelant not water proof), but it's still a great option.

And, if I recall correctly, once the standard Pecard dressing is applied, you can't go back to the water-based Jell. Is that right?

I.J.

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:46 am

Ya know, Mikey--- Michaelson already told me it's at the top of this section in an 'announcement' position. You'd think I'd read that whole thing through but nooooo.

Looks like I need to drink some java at night too!

I.J.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:12 am

My Pecard shipment arrived today!

I now have jell (my god it looks like vaseline?!?), classic, and some brown weatherproof dressing for darkening boots. I also got a little sample tin of show oil for free! YAY!

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:50 am

Indiana Jess wrote:Gee thanks you guys!

I expected something like that from you Michaelson, but not you too MJ! Well MJ, since you don't make it a habit of slamming me, the odds are good that you'lll only get short sheeted at the QM gathering.

Sorry my friend, I just couldn't help myself!

Now distressing Michaelson's jacket.... hmmmm..... you know we'd have to tie him up and make him watch while his jacket got the acetone bath....

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:30 am

Absolutely NO problems or worries here, fellows. I'll just order up some of MIKEY's Pecards jacket slurry, and all will be repaired.

Better yet, I'll just wear my cotton Indy. Even I'LL be entertained watching the two of you trying to 'distress' that jacket with acetone and sandpaper. Once 'destroyed', I assure you, I WILL be leaving the summit with at least one nice piece of gear from EACH of your personal inventories to replace the cost of the ruined jacket. I don't get mad...I get even. 8-[ Ah heck, the entertainment value watching the mayhem would almost be payment enough, I suppose. You'll just have to deal with my wife after the damage is done, (the cotton is her favorite jacket) and she's meaner than me!

Regards. Michaelson

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:03 pm

I thought I read (or heard on an interview with Deborah Nadoolman) that she used vaseline, a wire brush and a pocketknife. Vaseline is not too far fetched, guys

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:09 pm

rick5150 wrote:I thought I read (or heard on an interview with Deborah Nadoolman) that she used vaseline, a wire brush and a pocketknife. Vaseline is not too far fetched, guys

I always thought the jackets had a "weighted" wet look to them. Kind of like your theory about how the jacket tends to look better after a good soaking. I figure if they buttered that sucker up with vaseline, the lamb would have soaked it right in, and gave the jacket that look.

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:33 pm

Michaelson wrote: ... You'll just have to deal with my wife after the damage is done, (the cotton is her favorite jacket) and she's meaner than me! Regards. Michaelson

You know Michaelson, maybe I'll just stick to the short sheeting idea.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:55 pm

You have chosen.....wisely....(grins) Regards. Michaelson