A recent video came out on cinemarelics on a mixed set of gear from Temple and Raiders.
According to them it was used as an on set reference for Dial? As I understand it most of us are in agreement that Dial is more in line with a Wested Raiders and a modern Wested was bought on EBAY by Pinewood (Updated) I'm not sure what they would have referenced with when designing or using it. The distressing? Thoughts?
Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
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Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
Personally I was never comfortable or a believer of the eBay story of ILM buying jackets online. Lucas has racks of Indy jackets in the warehouse (I have a 1990’s warehouse walkthrough VHS copy that shows them) so why buy more copies rather than examine originals? If it were new Disney prop folks, ok, but Industrial Light and Magic? It makes zero sense! 
That said, I take most stories with a grain of salt these days. There are so many new ‘experts’ out there since DofD came out, the water is as muddy or muddier than ever.
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That said, I take most stories with a grain of salt these days. There are so many new ‘experts’ out there since DofD came out, the water is as muddy or muddier than ever.
Regards! Michaelson
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True it does sound kind of odd.Michaelson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:02 pm Personally I was never comfortable or a believer of the eBay story of ILM buying jackets online. Lucas has racks of Indy jackets in the warehouse (I have a 1990’s warehouse walkthrough VHS copy that shows them) so why buy more copies rather than examine originals? If it were new Disney prop folks, ok, but Industrial Light and Magic? It makes zero sense!
That said, I take most stories with a grain of salt these days. There are so many new ‘experts’ out there since DofD came out, the water is as muddy or muddier than ever.
Regards! Michaelson
I also wonder though then also why they would want the CinemaRelics one to review.
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I'm already confused why ILM would be buying jackets at all, when any costuming work on an Indy film would be done within LFL.
Were they buying them to scan for FX work or something? In that scenario I can imagine them not having (direct) access to the LFL archives - they are a separate company under the LFL umbrella - and maybe they needed them fast? Or didn't want the hassle of dealing with original props? Or maybe they bought them for some other purpose and people are only guessing? Who knows
Were they buying them to scan for FX work or something? In that scenario I can imagine them not having (direct) access to the LFL archives - they are a separate company under the LFL umbrella - and maybe they needed them fast? Or didn't want the hassle of dealing with original props? Or maybe they bought them for some other purpose and people are only guessing? Who knows
Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
Ok looked through the old Dial post, seems like Stefan Hills said he had a source that knew Pinewood bought one off ebay to avoid contractual obligations to Matchless.
Yeah so I guess the existing claims are:
1. A Wested Raiders off Ebay purchased by Pinewood for reference or experimenting for a prototype. I guess this makes sense- get a prexisting one you can mess with, distress, etc. to see what look would work
2. This Cinema Relics TOD jacket supposedly used as a reference on set
3. LFL’s own Archives
I suppose it’s possible that these were part of the research phase in reality. Casting a wide net and then giving an ideal reference jacket for the maker like Michelle and the TOD hat?
https://indygear.net/cow/viewtopic.php? ... od#p934399While I am allowed to disclose my source, a few months ago a Wested Raider’s jacket was bought on eBay by Pinewood Studios, it stands to reason this jacket may have been used by a possible prototype.
Yeah so I guess the existing claims are:
1. A Wested Raiders off Ebay purchased by Pinewood for reference or experimenting for a prototype. I guess this makes sense- get a prexisting one you can mess with, distress, etc. to see what look would work
2. This Cinema Relics TOD jacket supposedly used as a reference on set
3. LFL’s own Archives
I suppose it’s possible that these were part of the research phase in reality. Casting a wide net and then giving an ideal reference jacket for the maker like Michelle and the TOD hat?
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
I could be wrong, but I think I heard somewhere that they also inspected the screen used truck jacket.
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I don’t know who these guys are, but I had to turn off the video after two minutes.
Mostly after the host kept saying, “don’t let your nose touch the jacket” and then he wiped his nose with his finger and immediately touched the jacket. Twice.
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Mostly after the host kept saying, “don’t let your nose touch the jacket” and then he wiped his nose with his finger and immediately touched the jacket. Twice.
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
I'm going to be bluntly honest - Dan kinda bothers me. Here's why:
1. I love that he collects screen used props and costumes. This being said, he has so much money that he buys up so many props and costumes, which goes into my next point.
2. Not only the above capability of owning all these props and costumes, but that he has to keep collecting and preventing other potentially new collectors from buying them themselves. Because maybe they're banking nearly all of their money on the item, but hypothetically he has enough money he outbids them most of the time.
3. Not only are his props important, but he has to push the narrative that LFL used his jacket in the film, and that they made replicas off of his - making his jacket seem more significant than it actually is. It's a TOD jacket, it's super huge! But push the "active involvement, therefore important" angle, and it comes across as bragging to me.
Anyways, it just comes across overall that very few people get to own these props, and it's because small groups of wealthy collectors keep buying them up and driving up the value even more. Ok, rant over. Back to normal schedule
1. I love that he collects screen used props and costumes. This being said, he has so much money that he buys up so many props and costumes, which goes into my next point.
2. Not only the above capability of owning all these props and costumes, but that he has to keep collecting and preventing other potentially new collectors from buying them themselves. Because maybe they're banking nearly all of their money on the item, but hypothetically he has enough money he outbids them most of the time.
3. Not only are his props important, but he has to push the narrative that LFL used his jacket in the film, and that they made replicas off of his - making his jacket seem more significant than it actually is. It's a TOD jacket, it's super huge! But push the "active involvement, therefore important" angle, and it comes across as bragging to me.
Anyways, it just comes across overall that very few people get to own these props, and it's because small groups of wealthy collectors keep buying them up and driving up the value even more. Ok, rant over. Back to normal schedule
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Self appointed super fans bragging about something?!? Never
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
There are a few inaccurate claims in this video
4:21 "The shirt and the pants design stay the same for the first two films"- Not true. Raiders style pants do appear in ToD but shirt is different.
10:43 He forgot about stuntman screen matched jacket that is seen in many ToD scenes (This is the one in video with Adam Savage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgm3dJ6ygNw&t=692s)
Let's not forget that Bantu Wind docks jacket also have appearance in ToD.
What about the belt ? Color is from KotCS but buckle looks like Raiders/ToD. Unless that rumor that khaki belt was dyed to brown is true and what we see here is that color have faded back to sand.
4:21 "The shirt and the pants design stay the same for the first two films"- Not true. Raiders style pants do appear in ToD but shirt is different.
10:43 He forgot about stuntman screen matched jacket that is seen in many ToD scenes (This is the one in video with Adam Savage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgm3dJ6ygNw&t=692s)
Let's not forget that Bantu Wind docks jacket also have appearance in ToD.
What about the belt ? Color is from KotCS but buckle looks like Raiders/ToD. Unless that rumor that khaki belt was dyed to brown is true and what we see here is that color have faded back to sand.
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
I was very excited about this video when I got the notification it was going to be released, but after watching it I was left thoroughly confused. First off, I was a bit disturbed by the fact that Dan (and those other guys, whoever the heck they were) weren't wearing gloves while handling the jacket and the one guy even touched his nose to the jacket. I was a huge fan of Dan's show on Disney+, Propculture, before it was cancelled (a choice which still drives me crazy 
) He was always incredibly careful with the props he handled on that show and made a big deal about preserving them. This video just felt very out of character for him.
I think it's totally possible that the jacket was used as a reference for DoD, but I wonder why they would want to use someone else's jacket or a replica jacket for reference if they had their own originals on hand. Unless, of course, they didn't have access to the screen used jackets at Lucasfilm for some reason, whatever that may be. Or perhaps they wanted a ToD-style jacket, like how they wanted the hat more ToD style, and didn't have one of those on hand. Who knows...
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) He was always incredibly careful with the props he handled on that show and made a big deal about preserving them. This video just felt very out of character for him. I think it's totally possible that the jacket was used as a reference for DoD, but I wonder why they would want to use someone else's jacket or a replica jacket for reference if they had their own originals on hand. Unless, of course, they didn't have access to the screen used jackets at Lucasfilm for some reason, whatever that may be. Or perhaps they wanted a ToD-style jacket, like how they wanted the hat more ToD style, and didn't have one of those on hand. Who knows...
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Re: Thoughts on the Cinema Relics Jacket?
I have had the privilege of knowing Dan for many years and while I am not going to comment on the Jacket and Dial of Destiny, I will say that he is a very serious collector and a HUGE Indy fan. He also has - as some of you know- had unprecedented access to various archives and his knowledge regarding these things is second to none.