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Anyone else see this photo recently?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes its the real deal...

Hmmmm looks like l need to send my jacket back to Diego for some more destressing.

Haha just kiddin.
But it looks like it needs some Pecards.

Croft

Thought it looked pretty legitimate, it seems you always see the jackets sitting on a dark gray backing when it's in the archives too. I really like the collars and the pocket flaps on the jacket. It's lightened up quite a bit with time, still I never liked super dark Raiders jackets.

Well... that's it
That's the jacket we based our last Raiders replica style.

Not in the archives, as far as we know.
In hands of a private collector.-

Oh my... my brain is melting. Where has this jacket been? This must be the jacket Tony had access to. It looks to be the same pattern. The collar looks identical. Could this also be the exact same jacket seen in the opening shot in Hawaii, where Indy steps into the light after looking at his map? Seems so similar. Also, the jacket he is wearing when he enters the temple as he fill up his sandbag? Looks the same. Oh my goodness...

Are there any photos of the back? Strap hardware. Pretty please? I can't believe we are finally seeing this...

Check out the storm flap side collar attachment to the collar stand and compare...
https://www.expressandstar.com/resizer/ ... IRBG7M.jpg

Then check out the screen grabs of Indy filling his sandbag and then reaching for the torch. I'm pretty convinced this is the same jacket. The truck jacket with the bullet hole is the Hawaii/South America jacket. IMO.
https://movie-screencaps.com/raiders-lost-ark-1981/3

All along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.

This is a summary of the jackets we know that still exists.
Not assumptions. At least this 3 jackets exists.


ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKETS

ORIGINAL LEATHER:
Lambskin.
Color: Chocolate color. (just to give it a name)
Undertone: light brown, slightly reddish (very subtle)
Thickness: 0.8/1.0 mm (not as thin as previously thought)
Texture: some ribbiness here and there. Very light grain spots. Mostly smooth.


SUMMARY

(the name we assign to each one is our own idea, just for identification purposes. Not mentioned by our sources.)

1) BANTU WIND jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in La Rochelle docks.
Later used as stunt jacket by Terry Leonard (under the truck)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


2) JOCK PLANE jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in Hawaii, in the jump into the river take.
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


3) TRUCK jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back in some of the truck chase scenes, from getting shot on left sleeve, to taking control on cabin's truck and escaping.
(NOT on stunts takes)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of a private collector



FEATURES / DESCRIPTION
SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES

1) BANTU WIND jacket
Many similarities with ToD patterns. Same construction details.
Pockets: Smaller dimensions for the front pockets. (we didn't got the exact measurements)
Yoke: Larger yoke. About 7".
Pleats: Action pleats closed at bottom, with small opening.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper (size not confirmed)
Buckles: no buckles
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: heavily distressed on back and front. Also important distress present on sleeves. Hole (ripped) on upper left sleeve.
No label


2) JOCK PLANE jacket
Pockets: Raiders sized pockets. Approximately 20 cm height x 16.5 cm wide. (due to the condition of the jacket, is very difficult to measure exactly)
Yoke: Small Raiders yoke. About 4.75".
Pleats: Full action pleats, at bottom are open up to strap level.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper, n°5 size.
Buckles: black rectangular 2-prongs buckles. BRITISH inscription.
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: very distorted, completely deformed throughout its whole structure. Shrunken effect on leather by water saturation also increased the grain making it more prominent. Jacket is lighter in color (discolored), with stains all over the surface.
No label


3) TRUCK jacket
Pockets: Raiders sized pockets. Approximately 20 cm height x 16.5 cm wide.
Yoke: Small Raiders yoke. About 4.75".
Pleats: Full action pleats, at bottom are open up to strap level.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper, n°5 size.
Buckles: black rectangular 2-prongs buckles. BRITISH inscription.
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: very well preserved. Relatively heavy distressed in front and abdomen area, also on the back of the sleeves (elbow and forearm). Hole (ripped) on upper left sleeve.
No label

RAIDERS JACKETS:

This is a deeper analysis we did on some of the jackets we could positive identify:

* TRUCK jacket (mainly seen in Truck chase, from shoot in the arm to "parking" at Omar's)
* HOVITO temple entrance
* MAIN HERO (inside Hovito temple, Raven bar, Well of Souls, Flying wing fight...)
* IMAM's house


All this jackets, we can see in the movie, share the same pattern and leather.
Were cut to be exactly identical to each other.

The leather for every of this jackets is the same.
Lambskin.
Some lamb and sheep breeds have the particular "ribs" marks on the skin surface.
However, this marks were very subtle, among the whole batch.

Now, we are talking about the same leather batch.
Same animal type. Same color. Same thickness. Same tannery process.
BUT, some skins have a more pronounced "ribby" texture than others.
Because no animal is exactly identical to the other (no clone sheeps here...LOL)

For some of the jacket's parts, the skins used had a bit more of "ribbyness" present. There lies the differences we see.
When Peter was making the jackets for RAIDERS, most probably the skins for each one were radomly choosen, among the whole batch.
Also, the construction differences comes from one machinist to another, putting together and assembling the jackets with different techniques.

We've learned this by making the jackets.


Cheers.-

Forrest For the Trees wrote:Oh my... my brain is melting. Where has this jacket been? This must be the jacket Tony had access to.

This was not the jacket Tony inspected.-

Gotcha. They are awfully similar. Speaks in favor of the whoever cut and assembled them!

Indiego Jones wrote:Well... that's it
That's the jacket we based our last Raiders replica style.

Not in the archives, as far as we know.
In hands of a private collector.-

Ok, thanks, if anyone would know, you would.

I'm really hoping we can get more shots of this jacket, especially the collar shape.

None of the jackets I've seen (IMO) match the point of the collar; this jacket pictured (Truck jacket above posted by Kramstaar) is ever so slightly rounded and its hard to tell if its the way its laying or not. I really want to see some pics like this (BK Hero VS Hawaii versions)

It's a subtle thing, isn't it? That collar shape with that slight curve as it comes around the tip. That particular collar in the screen-used jacket shown in this thread looks like the Hawaii collar, as I see it. Again, look at the odd overlapping stitch where the end of the collar attaches to the stand on the storm flap side. That appears to be the same weird stitch shown on what we call the Hawaii jacket in the links I provided above. Unless there were two jackets with same odd stitch? I don't know, maybe I'm seeing things. Regardless, it is super exciting seeing this photo. Weird to think so many of us have been wanting to see a screen-used Raiders jacket for so long, and now this image pops up after all this time.

TheExit148 wrote:I'm really hoping we can get more shots of this jacket, especially the collar shape.

None of the jackets I've seen (IMO) match the point of the collar; this jacket pictured (Truck jacket above posted by Kramstaar) is ever so slightly rounded and its hard to tell if its the way its laying or not. I really want to see some pics like this (BK Hero VS Hawaii versions)

I've said this before, but I can't remember in which thread.

The HERO collar doesn't have a different rounded point.
It's just an optical illusion on a screen-cap.

There are subtle differences between one jacket to another, due to different machinists and assembly hands.

All the Raiders jackets have the same collar pattern.-

Good info, Diego! Which jacket do you think Harrison had on in the Iman scenes? I seem to recall there was some discussion that was a different jacket.

Indy_Dave wrote:Good info, Diego! Which jacket do you think Harrison had on in the Iman scenes? I seem to recall there was some discussion that was a different jacket.

No idea about the IMAM's scene jacket.

Not the MAIN HERO, or TRUCK jacket.
That's for sure.-

Just a comparison...







I don't know. Maybe just similar construction. Or they are the same jacket... thoughts?

Forrest For the Trees wrote:Gotcha. They are awfully similar. Speaks in favor of the whoever cut and assembled them!

I don't think this looks like the jackets Tony made - his pockets had a different and distinctive shape - unless he tweaked them. What a great photo - I wonder if we'll see the back. Kind of looks like a model for the G&B jacket also.

Has it ever been established what jacket was used as the basis of the G&B Expedition?

Forrest For the Trees wrote: Are there any photos of the back? Strap hardware. Pretty please? I can't believe we are finally seeing this...

Strap hardware is the same as TOD... 2 prong buckles

So, it has been a few days and I am still floored by this... Gear heads have been waiting a long time to see a screen-used Raiders jacket. Like nearly 4 decades. Just so excited to finally see this photo. So what's the scoop with this jacket? Was it in the archive or a private collection? Is it owned by someone affiliated with Lucasfilm? I just have so many questions. I know this may elicit some eye-rolls, but in the spirit of the character, IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM.

Yes, it's a fantastic photo - the details and textures are so exquisitely lit and revealed. It is interesting that it has been dropped here with nothing further and with minimal reaction. 15 years ago this would have caused an explosion of delight, debate and possibly denialism.

The wrinkling around and above the pockets look like the wrinkling visible during the entrance to the temple scene. It was a bit of Wested characteristic, although you don't see it these days.

I was under the impression that the jacket worn in the truck and damaged by the squib was the hero or certainly a jacket used in key scenes. I think I read this on another jacket site now defunct, but full of theorists and screen capture fanatics.

CM, what is the wrinkling from ?

Im absolutely delighted to see this and in good shape and clear pic. After forty years, hard to estimate what it looked like during filming; it’s been treated, and significantly worn from what appears on screen (or more likely, the lighting is so different), but outstanding to see some of the details. Would love to see a back view. Thanks so much for this glimpse of our obsessions

I had thought this before, but a lot of the details are similar to an early Rough Wear A-2; collar, pockets... I always thought they started there, removed the knits, added a yoke from an A-1, and then a modified half-belt back to arrive with the design we see. Still my favorite.

Heyjude7 wrote:CM, what is the wrinkling from ?

It's the tape backing around the pocket. I think it might be that heat seal stuff that used to be used to quickly hem trousers with heat from an iron, or it could be something completely different. I really puckers up on the Hawaii jacekt and this one too. You used to see the effect on early Wested but as CM says not these days.

Ah, some familiar faces! I know these are strange times, but to have this photo drop and not see some familiar names speak up was disconcerting. This forum certainly isn't hopping the way it was back when CS was coming out, but I like to check in each day as a bit of a diversion from reality. Glad to have a few more of you join the conversation.

As to the jacket, it is crazy similar to what we call the Hawaii jacket. If it is indeed the same jacket, and was used later in the truck sequence, it would have gotten pretty messed up. I've looked up the filming schedule for Raiders, but all I could find was a Wikipedia article. Can we confirm that filming location order was:

-La Rochelle
-Elstree Studio
-Hawaii
-Tunisia
-San Francisco

If so, we have the Bantu Wind jacket in La Rochelle, the Main Hero and Imam jackets in Elstree, the Hawaii jacket and whatever was used for the jump into the water in Hawaii, the Main Hero jacket, perhaps the Hawaii jacket (or Truck jacket, if indeed they are two different jackets) and the Bantu Wind jacket used for stunts in Tunisia.

This is all speculation, but it is kinda fun to try to track the jackets in each scene. So was Hawaii filmed before Tunisia?

I guess I always thought Hawaii was after Tunisia. The actor who played Monkey man was asked to then play Barranca in Hawaii. Something like “hey, can you also play this other character?” It almost seemed like this was a lapse in casting. Anyways, it seems I had read that....just can’t remember where. But, I’m often wrong

La Rochelle
Elstree
Rickmansworth (School)
Elstree
Tunisia
Hawaii
North Carolina (pickups)
SAN Francisco (pickups)

From the Official Book timeline

Thanks. Well, there goes my theory then. Truck jacket and Hawaii jacket are indeed different if Tunisia was filmed first, then Hawaii after.

Nice to read some more contributions. Hi Kt and Tibor. Yes, the wrinkling was from backing tape no longer used much by Wested. It might be screen accurate but I dislike the look.

I am sure I saw a photo somewhere (perhaps that other Indy site) showing Indy in another movie sequence (it may be a production still) with a jacket that looks to have a patch repair over the sleeve squib area. Hawaii, perhaps...? Does that ring any bells?

Wish we could have a bit more background on this... No offense intended, but it's hard to get excited without any provenance these days

It's fun because it evokes a period, not so long ago, when even big movies were still essentially a cottage industry. Costumes were put together with what they had and what they could afford to get made. And as we all know, the Indy costume has the individual quirks that come with that -- each film has its own quirks, and each piece of gear within each film has its own individual quirks.

I imagine if Raiders were made today, it would almost be like the Bond films and the jacket would be an $8,000 Armani or Tom Ford cafe racer made with paper-thin lambskin and at the same time they'd probably plop a generic outback hat on his head.

But I actually like that most of what is left is kept under lock and key and only a select few get to see it. It's forced its own little industry to pop up, helping resurrect near-dead skills like hatmaking and leather working, and at the same time the constant trial and error has enforced a sort of moderation and innovation. IMO if the original Raiders jacket pattern, let alone that unique leather, were widely available to the public then everybody would just want that, regardless of fit or function, and we'd never have all the awesome options we have thanks to all of the years of research and work -- much of it by the fine people here -- has produced over the years. The mystery drove a lot of the industry.

It’s not the years, it’s the money...
At that time, Spielberg still had to prove he could make a movie on time and under budget. There were loads of movies at big studios with big budgets all the way back to the golden age of the big studios, and then like now, some movies got the star treatment and others didn’t. Some very successful smaller films are made with whatever they can afford. Others have lavish costuming. Big pictures ALWAYS have costume research and carefully crafted looks on screen. Look at other period work like Downton Abbey.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Wish we could have a bit more background on this... No offense intended, but it's hard to get excited without any provenance these days

Hey Castor, that your subtle way of saying you are not convinced it is a genuine screen used jacket? It surely helps when you know this was posted on one of the world's most respected prop authenticators, collectors and dealer's Facebook page. Got to be as solid as most of the other claims made on this site.

Tibor wrote:It’s not the years, it’s the money...
At that time, Spielberg still had to prove he could make a movie on time and under budget. There were loads of movies at big studios with big budgets all the way back to the golden age of the big studios, and then like now, some movies got the star treatment and others didn’t. Some very successful smaller films are made with whatever they can afford. Others have lavish costuming. Big pictures ALWAYS have costume research and carefully crafted looks on screen. Look at other period work like Downton Abbey.

We forget that at $20 million Raiders was an expensive film compared to many others made at the time. Outland for instance, a major sci-fi thriller with Sean Connery, cost $16 million. What Spielberg did do is make Raiders look even more expensive by shooting it quickly and to a budget, like a TV series. What people may forget about this time is how widely criticized Lucas and Spielberg were by many people who characterized them as making nothing but cartoon crowd pleasers for children. Pretty much the same criticism being made of Marvel films today. Spielberg even jokes about it and says it took him a while to be ready to make intimate, adult, thinking films like The Color Purple.

What has changed since then is fans and cosplay's use of the internet and the collecting community which now allows us to find and identify screen used items and copy them. In 1981 many of us went into Banana Republic and bought an A2 copy which seemed close enough to an Indy jacket. It took me years to discover the jacket was actually brown, not black and had no knits.

CM wrote:

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Wish we could have a bit more background on this... No offense intended, but it's hard to get excited without any provenance these days

Hey Castor, that your subtle way of saying you are not convinced it is a genuine screen used jacket? It surely helps when you know this was posted on one of the world's most respected prop authenticators, collectors and dealer's Facebook page. Got to be as solid as most of the other claims made on this site.

Agreed.
Brandon has had unrestricted access to the costumes and props in the Skywalker Ranch archives and has amassed a detailed knowledge on all of the items used in the Lucasfilm movie franchises. One look at his book "Star Wars Costumes - The Original Trilogy" shows how much research he has done and his diligence regarding the Indy archive items has been as exhaustive.

While I understand the healthy scepticism that remains after past Jacket "authoritative" voices were unmasked as nothing more than the ramblings of egotistical idiots, in this case the opinions are based on months of hand's on research.

MARK

I for one am not unconvinced that the Truck Jacket made it to Hawaii.

Indys left sleeve in the scene outside the Temple with Belloq is heavily covered with cobwebs and leaves .... but I’ve myself often though i could spot the tell tale line of the tear ... certainly the state of the rest of the jacket in that scene suggests its a more degraded one .. the underside of the arms especially look worn and similar ...

If you are a the wardrobe person on a film you take EVERYTHING! ... there is no reason to believe that all Or most of the production jackets even at that point were not available to use .. so i see nothing inherently wrong with the idea that the Truck Jacket could be there ...

Just my personal view of course ...

ll along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.

This is a summary of the jackets we know that still exists.
Not assumptions. At least this 3 jackets exists.


ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKETS

ORIGINAL LEATHER:
Lambskin.
Color: Chocolate color. (just to give it a name)
Undertone: light brown, slightly reddish (very subtle)
Thickness: 0.8/1.0 mm (not as thin as previously thought)
Texture: some ribbiness here and there. Very light grain spots. Mostly smooth.


SUMMARY

(the name we assign to each one is our own idea, just for identification purposes. Not mentioned by our sources.)

1) BANTU WIND jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in La Rochelle docks.
Later used as stunt jacket by Terry Leonard (under the truck)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


2) JOCK PLANE jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in Hawaii, in the jump into the river take.
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


3) TRUCK jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back in some of the truck chase scenes, from getting shot on left sleeve, to taking control on cabin's truck and escaping.
(NOT on stunts takes)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of a private collector.....

Thanks for your research. It appears that the Truck jacket is the Imam jacket.

Since you say that you

...had specific details on the leather, like the thickness, the texture and the markings on it, the actual hardware used on them, the correct lining, and many inner construction details which can’t be seen in the films, or in any production BTS pic.

can you confirm that the following that you used on your recently made jackets



was the pocket snap used on the film jacket? as I doubt these were available in the 80s, or are they just a substitute that you used? If this wasn't the correct hardware, which one is the correct?

I have heard that Tony Nowak was so proud of his replica jacket being the most accurate ever made and was claiming that he had even counted the zipper teeth on the original. Yet, we find today that the construction of the side straps was much different than the original and see also other inaccuracies e.g. that he added a hanger at the back of the neck etc (which isn't there in the screen used jacket shown above). Furthermore, Tony Nowak, made the patch pockets lined (i.e. exactly like Wested does) but in your version of the Truck jacket we see that they are unlined. So what is the case? How were they in the film used jackets? Lined or unlined?

Please let us know.

afalzon wrote:

All along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.

Thanks for your research. It appears that the Truck jacket is the Imam jacket.

Thanks Andy for your appreciation.

We really couldn't find firm evidence (through HD screen-caps) that the TRUCK jacket is the IMAM's.
Perhaps a deeper analysis is needed.

afalzon wrote: Since you say that you

...had specific details on the leather, like the thickness, the texture and the markings on it, the actual hardware used on them, the correct lining, and many inner construction details which can’t be seen in the films, or in any production BTS pic.

can you confirm that the following that you used on your recently made jackets



was the pocket snap used on the film jacket? as I doubt these were available in the 80s, or are they just a substitute that you used? If this wasn't the correct hardware, which one is the correct?

About the snaps, we had no picture confirmation.
When we've asked which brand was on the snaps, the answer was: No brand on snaps.
So, we use those snaps as the ones without brand.
Are the same Nowak used to install on his Raiders jackets.

afalzon wrote:I have heard that Tony Nowak was so proud of his replica jacket being the most accurate ever made and was claiming that he had even counted the zipper teeth on the original. Yet, we find today that the construction of the side straps was much different than the original and see also other inaccuracies e.g. that he added a hanger at the back of the neck etc (which isn't there in the screen used jacket shown above). Furthermore, Tony Nowak, made the patch pockets lined (i.e. exactly like Wested does) but in your version of the Truck jacket we see that they are unlined. So what is the case? How were they in the film used jackets? Lined or unlined?

Please let us know.

We, at STEELE & JONES, have nothing but respect and love for Tony.
The Raiders jacket replica he offered to fans were, until that time, the most accurate ever made.
So, we don't think it would be nice to criticize any of his choices.
Tony's jackets are a work of art.

And about the pockets, if you are looking for the most accurate Raiders jacket, you have to look the S&J jacket.
On every detail. (Except the S&J label, installed on the inside pocket. )

Cheers.-

Just from the positioning of the left and right sided collar and storm flap.I'm seeing that this could very well be the Imans house jacket as well.

Looks like the image hosting site I use is down at the moment, but... if you look here, you will see that the collar attachment to the collar stand on the storm flap side is different on the Imam jacket.

https://movie-screencaps.com/raiders-lo ... ?strip=all

Astonishing photo of THE JACKET! Looks like the bullet hole on the left sleeve.

Don't know if this helps.
Just took this of the collar that's in the above screen grab page.






Croft

That's it! Croft's jacket is the Imam/Truck jacket!

I know, I know... staring at screencaps will drive you batty. Just fun to speculate what other scenes this jacket may have been used in.

It might be interesting to note that one of the jackets in the Skywalker Archives also has a hole in the sleeve..

MARK

KramStaar wrote:It might be interesting to note that one of the jackets in the Skywalker Archives also has a hole in the sleeve..

MARK

I would assume that would be the stunt jacket for the truck drag.

I keep looking at my Nowak Raiders jacket and I see a lot of similarities between this jacket and mine. the difference to me is the collar... but I didn't get my collar to be an exact copy of the one Tony had.. I asked for a different shape....
Tony did say the jacket he had was in bad shape... what is bad shape to Tony? not cared for or conditioned?

I am no expert at all.. jus giving my personal opinion.
thank you for listening

After in being incredibly bored at work and fascinated with the new discovery, I started to look at which jacket this could possibly be.
Maybe my eyes are playing tricks but the Hovito temple and the jacket in question have the same light spots (discoloration) and the same crease in the top of the storm flap near the collar. Any thoughts ?

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and it looks like the last pic above has a tear in it.. possible bullet?

Heyjude7 wrote:I keep looking at my Nowak Raiders jacket and I see a lot of similarities between this jacket and mine. the difference to me is the collar... but I didn't get my collar to be an exact copy of the one Tony had.. I asked for a different shape....
Tony did say the jacket he had was in bad shape... what is bad shape to Tony? not cared for or conditioned?

I am no expert at all.. jus giving my personal opinion.
thank you for listening

Interesting to hear. 'Bad shape' would probably mean the river worn jacket, surely? I guess when you say your Nowak looks like the photo jacket this doesn't really point to much. It's an Indy jacket. The things are very similar. This looks a lot like my Expedition jacket too.

Are there people who think Nowak never got to see a screen used jacket and was mistaken?

I never quite understood why Lucasfilm would release a rare and super expensive item to a small artisan manufacturer to copy to make a jacket he can sell to fans. The story always seemed very strange.

Forrest For the Trees wrote:Looks like the image hosting site I use is down at the moment, but... if you look here, you will see that the collar attachment to the collar stand on the storm flap side is different on the Imam jacket.

https://movie-screencaps.com/raiders-lo ... ?strip=all

I thought that too but it's an insert shot, meaning that could be a different jacket again (or just the angle making look that way.). The rest of the scene jacket looks more of a potential match. If you watch the end moments particularly 'bad dates'.

By the way if any vendor wants to make an Imans house scene jacket, I'll buy it.

I am fully convinced Tony had a screen used jacket. The things I would say are similar are pocket details and placement of collar and seams.
I get it though, that Indy jackets are all related and one big happy family.