Hey all!
I know this is a dumb question to ask, but:
Whenever I've ordered any of my previous jackets from Wested, I've always just called them. But, if I order my next Indy jacket from Wested, I was thinking about just using the "Order-Form" on their Website, and ordering through email. Has anyone had any problems with this method of ordering from Wested?
Thank you!
Captain D
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I ordered Raiders pre-distressed cowhide jacket online last Spring and Peter confirmed it with an e-mail a couple days later. No problems.
I simply gave a few measurements for the pockets and collar that I took directly off of my Expedition jacket. I did send Sergei's photo of the Expedition pocket placement with measurements. The pockets and collar are exactly as I described so the jacket looks great.
Although, for some reason, I got LC side straps instead of the requested Raiders boxed stitch. 
But, it's a minor oversight for a $250 custom jacket. I can always have the strap strengthened by a few additional stiches from my local cobbler but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Let us know how it works out, Cap!
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I simply gave a few measurements for the pockets and collar that I took directly off of my Expedition jacket. I did send Sergei's photo of the Expedition pocket placement with measurements. The pockets and collar are exactly as I described so the jacket looks great.
Although, for some reason, I got LC side straps instead of the requested Raiders boxed stitch. But, it's a minor oversight for a $250 custom jacket. I can always have the strap strengthened by a few additional stiches from my local cobbler but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.Let us know how it works out, Cap!
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Mine did not come with the gussets, but to tell you the truth I don't think they would really matter much. I've read others who have said they ordered them and really didn't notice much difference. The pull in the jacket is more from the flat stitched panel across the back. The Gussets are in the armpit area. Some people insist, but I've heard it's not that large of a difference. If you want them get em, I haven't and unless I'm gonna walk around often like the Frankensteins Monster with my arms out in front I'll have no problem.
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I also ordered my jacket using the Wested website. Its really the best
way because Wested also prints out your request, and it has all the
specs that you wanted in the jacket on there, so there is much less
of a chance to get something wrong with your order.
I did like most people here and followed up with an e-mail to Peter after
I placed my order, just to make sure he got it. I did not however put any
other info in my follow-up e-mail just so it would not cause any confusion
later on.
You will get a confirmation e-mail from Peter when your order is
processed, and it will have an order number on it, along with all your
specs that were from the original website request form that you filled out
when you ordered your jacket.
I will also say that when I asked Peter about the gussets, he said
that a properly fitted jacket should never need them, and I agree.
They may make some small difference if you raise your arms straight
up from your sides. But in your everyday, normal movement, they don't
do anything.
As stated before, if you are driving, and your arms are out infront of
you, they don't do anything. If you are reaching behind you, they don't
do anything because thats not the range of motion where they would
function.
But if you reach straight up alot, then they might make a difference.
What would make a bigger difference in all your range of motion, is to
ask Peter to make the armholes bigger. That way, you will benefit from
all your normal movements.
Think about it this way. If you wear a shirt where the armholes are
tight, what happens? How does it feel? How well can you move your
arms in any direction?
Now, take another shirt, with larger armholes. Not only can you move
around better, reach better, and stretch better, but your biceps are not
as contricted, and you are much more comfortable.
That is what you should ask for instead of gussets.
Flathead
way because Wested also prints out your request, and it has all the
specs that you wanted in the jacket on there, so there is much less
of a chance to get something wrong with your order.
I did like most people here and followed up with an e-mail to Peter after
I placed my order, just to make sure he got it. I did not however put any
other info in my follow-up e-mail just so it would not cause any confusion
later on.
You will get a confirmation e-mail from Peter when your order is
processed, and it will have an order number on it, along with all your
specs that were from the original website request form that you filled out
when you ordered your jacket.
I will also say that when I asked Peter about the gussets, he said
that a properly fitted jacket should never need them, and I agree.
They may make some small difference if you raise your arms straight
up from your sides. But in your everyday, normal movement, they don't
do anything.
As stated before, if you are driving, and your arms are out infront of
you, they don't do anything. If you are reaching behind you, they don't
do anything because thats not the range of motion where they would
function.
But if you reach straight up alot, then they might make a difference.
What would make a bigger difference in all your range of motion, is to
ask Peter to make the armholes bigger. That way, you will benefit from
all your normal movements.
Think about it this way. If you wear a shirt where the armholes are
tight, what happens? How does it feel? How well can you move your
arms in any direction?
Now, take another shirt, with larger armholes. Not only can you move
around better, reach better, and stretch better, but your biceps are not
as contricted, and you are much more comfortable.
That is what you should ask for instead of gussets.
Flathead
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Hmmmm, interesting suggestion.... 
I was thinking about that idea as well. Because, both my dad and I have broad shoulders and I don't like any tightness in the shoulders, especially when layers are worn underneath. Do you think that, on the order form (website) I can type in my size, but in the bottom section to write in any additional info, I can simply say to make the arm-holes slightly larger for better arm movement? Is there an extra charge for gussetts and this enlargement of the arm-holes at Wested?
Than you all for your suggestions and help!
Sincerely,
Captain D
I was thinking about that idea as well. Because, both my dad and I have broad shoulders and I don't like any tightness in the shoulders, especially when layers are worn underneath. Do you think that, on the order form (website) I can type in my size, but in the bottom section to write in any additional info, I can simply say to make the arm-holes slightly larger for better arm movement? Is there an extra charge for gussetts and this enlargement of the arm-holes at Wested?
Than you all for your suggestions and help!
Sincerely,
Captain D
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The gussets do cost extra. I don't think that it would cost more to
have the armholes made bigger.
This would indeed help with the tightness that you feel when you add
layers.
Although, the other thing to think about is this. You should make your
jacket specs match to what you normally would be wearing under the
jacket in order for it to fit properly.
By this I mean, that if you normally want to wear your Wested with
sweaters and sweatshirts under it, then order it for that purpose. But
be aware that if you do order it like that, when you wear less layers,
say with just a tee shirt, the jacket will then fit very large in those
areas, and vis-versa.
Me personally, I would go for the larger size to accommodate the
layers. Its my personal belief that a piece of clothing looks and feels
better if its slightly larger than if its slightly smaller.
And, if it is made larger, as we age, and naturally get fatter, the jacket
will fit you for a longer period of time.
Also, a jacket that you don't like the fit of because its just slightly too
small, will always end up on a hanger more than on your back where its
supposed to be!
Flathead
have the armholes made bigger.
This would indeed help with the tightness that you feel when you add
layers.
Although, the other thing to think about is this. You should make your
jacket specs match to what you normally would be wearing under the
jacket in order for it to fit properly.
By this I mean, that if you normally want to wear your Wested with
sweaters and sweatshirts under it, then order it for that purpose. But
be aware that if you do order it like that, when you wear less layers,
say with just a tee shirt, the jacket will then fit very large in those
areas, and vis-versa.
Me personally, I would go for the larger size to accommodate the
layers. Its my personal belief that a piece of clothing looks and feels
better if its slightly larger than if its slightly smaller.
And, if it is made larger, as we age, and naturally get fatter, the jacket
will fit you for a longer period of time.
Also, a jacket that you don't like the fit of because its just slightly too
small, will always end up on a hanger more than on your back where its
supposed to be!
Flathead
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Thank You for writing Flathead! 
I definitely agree with what you are saying, and some very good points made indeed!
One last question.....on the Wested website Order-Form, if I wanted to order an "off-the-shelf" size, except for the exception of the slightly enlarged arm-holes, will Wested require me to state my chest and sleeve length, or can I simply just state the size I would like to order in the order box? I hope that I haven't confused everyone, lol
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Kind Regards,
Captain D
I definitely agree with what you are saying, and some very good points made indeed!
One last question.....on the Wested website Order-Form, if I wanted to order an "off-the-shelf" size, except for the exception of the slightly enlarged arm-holes, will Wested require me to state my chest and sleeve length, or can I simply just state the size I would like to order in the order box? I hope that I haven't confused everyone, lol
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Captain D
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You don't have to give your chest and sleeve sizes if you just want
the off the shelf jacket. You can add them in just incase it makes
you feel better. But they are not required if you are ordering an
off the shelf size.
As a matter of fact, the only info I gave Peter on the order form was
that I wanted a size 44 Regular, with 23.5 long sleeves and an inch
added to the front of the jacket so it would not have the ride-up look
to it. I didn't give my height, or weight, or chest size or anything else,
because the website had all the measurements of each size jacket that
I needed to make my choice.
I chose a size 44 instead of my normal size 42 because these jackets
are cut slimmer than most modern jackets, like Flightsuits, and I wanted
more room in it. And I am glad I did, because if I did get my normal
size, it would have been tight thru the chest when I drive, like we just
talked about!!
I think the people that add in all the measurements are more the type
of people who are not off the rack sizes, and they need to send all their
measurements.
I have heard of cases where a person just sends in their measurements,
and they get a super fitting jacket!!
I have also heard of people who did this, and got a very ill-fitting jacket
because all the demands and specs and measurements they gave caused
some confusion at Peters end, and they got a dud.
And I have heard of people that sent in just their normal measurements,
and got a nice jacket, but it was just a wee-bit too tight, or too small.
These people let Peters people pick out the size of their jacket, and
Peters people picked out the best size to match what they thought the person
would wear, and that person ended up really wanting a jacket that was
just a hair bigger. That is why I specified the size 44 regular instead of
giving my actual chest measurement. I know what fits me best, and I
used the website to determine that.
Peter is a great man, but he can not read peoples minds. Give him what
you want, and you will get it. Give him too many numbers to swim in,
and you may not come away with what you wanted. Its the same for any
one else on this planet. If you have a hundred people spouting numbers
and measurements at you all day, you can get confused sometimes.
But say that you want something that has been made the same way
a thousand times, in the same size, but with just one or two things
different, and its much easier on everyone, and your chances of mistakes
drop dramaticly.
Just use the recent examples as your guide. There was one guy here
recently that gave Peter a whole laundry list of things he wanted, and
what happened? He got a jacket that didn't fit. Some things were done
to his liking, and some were not. Then he sent the jacket back again, and
again with a long list of specs, and again he got a dud.
Then there are the people like me, or Cabinet Man, or many, many
others who just specified a size, like a 44 Regular, with just a few mods,
and we got great fitting jackets right out of the box!!
Hope this helps some. If you are in doubt, e-mail Peter a note first,
asking what the measurements are of jackets that are your normal size,
and then a size above and a size below your normal size. Measurements
like the chest, the armhole, the end of the sleeve (cuff diameter) and
stuff like that.
Also, you should take a jacket that fits you now, and take some
measurements from it, like the ones I mentioned above, and compare this
to what Peter has on his jackets, and get the one thats the best for you,
with your couple of mods to it, and your gold!!
Thats what I did, and thats how I learned, and ordered the 44 over the
42, because the 44 matched what most of my jackets today measure.
Had I gone with the 42, I would not have been happy with it because it
would have been just a bit too small, and I would have had to either send
it back for a return, or sell it and get another one.
Flathead
the off the shelf jacket. You can add them in just incase it makes
you feel better. But they are not required if you are ordering an
off the shelf size.
As a matter of fact, the only info I gave Peter on the order form was
that I wanted a size 44 Regular, with 23.5 long sleeves and an inch
added to the front of the jacket so it would not have the ride-up look
to it. I didn't give my height, or weight, or chest size or anything else,
because the website had all the measurements of each size jacket that
I needed to make my choice.
I chose a size 44 instead of my normal size 42 because these jackets
are cut slimmer than most modern jackets, like Flightsuits, and I wanted
more room in it. And I am glad I did, because if I did get my normal
size, it would have been tight thru the chest when I drive, like we just
talked about!!
I think the people that add in all the measurements are more the type
of people who are not off the rack sizes, and they need to send all their
measurements.
I have heard of cases where a person just sends in their measurements,
and they get a super fitting jacket!!
I have also heard of people who did this, and got a very ill-fitting jacket
because all the demands and specs and measurements they gave caused
some confusion at Peters end, and they got a dud.
And I have heard of people that sent in just their normal measurements,
and got a nice jacket, but it was just a wee-bit too tight, or too small.
These people let Peters people pick out the size of their jacket, and
Peters people picked out the best size to match what they thought the person
would wear, and that person ended up really wanting a jacket that was
just a hair bigger. That is why I specified the size 44 regular instead of
giving my actual chest measurement. I know what fits me best, and I
used the website to determine that.
Peter is a great man, but he can not read peoples minds. Give him what
you want, and you will get it. Give him too many numbers to swim in,
and you may not come away with what you wanted. Its the same for any
one else on this planet. If you have a hundred people spouting numbers
and measurements at you all day, you can get confused sometimes.
But say that you want something that has been made the same way
a thousand times, in the same size, but with just one or two things
different, and its much easier on everyone, and your chances of mistakes
drop dramaticly.
Just use the recent examples as your guide. There was one guy here
recently that gave Peter a whole laundry list of things he wanted, and
what happened? He got a jacket that didn't fit. Some things were done
to his liking, and some were not. Then he sent the jacket back again, and
again with a long list of specs, and again he got a dud.
Then there are the people like me, or Cabinet Man, or many, many
others who just specified a size, like a 44 Regular, with just a few mods,
and we got great fitting jackets right out of the box!!
Hope this helps some. If you are in doubt, e-mail Peter a note first,
asking what the measurements are of jackets that are your normal size,
and then a size above and a size below your normal size. Measurements
like the chest, the armhole, the end of the sleeve (cuff diameter) and
stuff like that.
Also, you should take a jacket that fits you now, and take some
measurements from it, like the ones I mentioned above, and compare this
to what Peter has on his jackets, and get the one thats the best for you,
with your couple of mods to it, and your gold!!
Thats what I did, and thats how I learned, and ordered the 44 over the
42, because the 44 matched what most of my jackets today measure.
Had I gone with the 42, I would not have been happy with it because it
would have been just a bit too small, and I would have had to either send
it back for a return, or sell it and get another one.
Flathead
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Hey there Flathead, and to everyone else who wrote their experiences!
You made a lot of good points...I will probably go with a size larger because I know that I like to wear layers underneath and, I don't like anything real tight. I also wrote down notes from our discussion here, so that when I do order, I won't forget anything! I wrote to Peter and he resonded back already!
Have a Happy & safe New Year everyone!!
Sincerely,
Captain D
You made a lot of good points...I will probably go with a size larger because I know that I like to wear layers underneath and, I don't like anything real tight. I also wrote down notes from our discussion here, so that when I do order, I won't forget anything!
I wrote to Peter and he resonded back already! Have a Happy & safe New Year everyone!!
Sincerely,
Captain D
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lol, thats what I'm afraid of .....that is, keeping my copy of the order form, only to wait for this jacket and.....compare to see what was or wasn't added, lol, ....But, I'm keeping positive, I trust Wested!
But, just in case, I've learned my lessons from prior experiences, to not touch, treat, or wear my jacket if somthing is wrong. And, to simply mail it back to Wested for an exchange.
Kind Regards,
Captain D
p.s- "Thank You" again for all of your help!!
.....that is, keeping my copy of the order form, only to wait for this jacket and.....compare to see what was or wasn't added, lol, ....But, I'm keeping positive, I trust Wested! But, just in case, I've learned my lessons from prior experiences, to not touch, treat, or wear my jacket if somthing is wrong. And, to simply mail it back to Wested for an exchange.
Kind Regards,
Captain D
p.s- "Thank You" again for all of your help!!
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This is a much better solution than trying to sell it on your own and thenAnd, to simply mail it back to Wested for an exchange.
get another one!! You are a good student!!
I had to send my first Wested back because the snaps on the pocket
actually fell off the jacket the first day I had it!
Peter told me that he had been having problems with a new type of snap,
and that they were falling apart all over everyones jackets. He has since
went back to the old faithful snaps.
But I didn't even want to try to sell the jacket myself on e-bay and loose
money that way. I don't care what anyone says, by the time you pay to
put it on e-bay, pay the fee when you sell it, and loose some money
because you are too greedy and try to get back every penny, and you
have to put it back on there again and again, you are out money no
matter what.
And with the exchange rates changing everyday, if you order a jacket
today, and wait 4 weeks to get it, and something is wrong, and you send
it back, your new replacement jacket will not cost you any more. If you
sell the first one, and then order another, the price could have changed,
and you now have to pay more for the same jacket than if you had just
sent the first one back.
It is so much easier to send it back, at a cost of about $25.00 or $30.00
for Express mail to England, than to loose more than that taking a beating
on e-bay, or selling it here on the forum. Which by the way, no one ever
gets their full purchase price back.
If there is a problem, Peter will re-ship your new jacket back to you at
no additional cost to you. You are out only the shipping back to him. And
in some cases, he will even refund THAT amount if the jacket has a
defect like mine did!
So, in the end, it didn't cost me any more to send it back and get an
exchange. You are in the right mind set here!!
Plus, with the exchange, Peter can compare the defective piece with a
new one, and you will go to the top of the list for making a new jacket.
If you sell the first one, and order another one, you go to the end of the list.
This alone is worth the no-hassle of sending it back. Plus, each time a
jacket goes back, Peter, or any other vendor for that matter, will learn
from their mistakes, and things will always get better!!
Flathead
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FLATHEAD, I know you stated that the gussetts cost extra but my experience was that I was not charged. At least last Spring I wasn't.Captain D wrote:Hmmmm, interesting suggestion....
I was thinking about that idea as well. Because, both my dad and I have broad shoulders and I don't like any tightness in the shoulders, especially when layers are worn underneath. Do you think that, on the order form (website) I can type in my size, but in the bottom section to write in any additional info, I can simply say to make the arm-holes slightly larger for better arm movement? Is there an extra charge for gussetts and this enlargement of the arm-holes at Wested?
Than you all for your suggestions and help!
Sincerely,
Captain D
I just asked for the 44R Raiders but in the smaller 80's pattern and requested gussetts.
I received my Wested with a one piece gussett (G & B has a two-piece gussett) under each arm and I can still wear a thick sweater or sweatshirt underneath and not feel constricted. I wasn't charged extra--that's just my experience.
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Hey there Indiana Joe! How've ya been?
Thats one of the things that I asked Peter about, he sent me an e-mail informing me that the underarm gussets do cost an extra 5 pounds. However, I'm not exactly sure what that would be in U.S. dollars though.....But, to have the armhole widened, would be at no charge....I guess you got lucky there Indiana Joe, lol .....
Happy New Year Everyone....we are getting closer to Indy 4!!
Kind Regards,
Captain D
Thats one of the things that I asked Peter about, he sent me an e-mail informing me that the underarm gussets do cost an extra 5 pounds. However, I'm not exactly sure what that would be in U.S. dollars though.....But, to have the armhole widened, would be at no charge....I guess you got lucky there Indiana Joe, lol
.....Happy New Year Everyone....we are getting closer to Indy 4!!
Kind Regards,
Captain D
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Howdy, Cap'n! Although the price may have gone up a tad, it's still an outstanding price for a custom-made jacket from the man who put an awesome looking jacket on Harry's back in Raiders! Happy New Year!Captain D wrote:Hey there Indiana Joe! How've ya been?
Thats one of the things that I asked Peter about, he sent me an e-mail informing me that the underarm gussets do cost an extra 5 pounds. However, I'm not exactly sure what that would be in U.S. dollars though.....But, to have the armhole widened, would be at no charge....I guess you got lucky there Indiana Joe, lol
Happy New Year Everyone....we are getting closer to Indy 4!!
Kind Regards,
Captain D
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Since Wested's website now states that gussets are 5 pounds extra, I
can assume they charge for them now...
5 Pounds is about $8.50 in U.S. money right now. The exchange rate
changes alot, but right now its about $1.72 U.S. money per each
British pound.
So, if your Wested is 145 pounds, thats going to be about $250.00 in
U.S. funds. Then the shipping is about 20 pounds, so thats an extra
$35.00. Then if you want, the gussets are another $8.50. Then you will
have to pay PBB their money, which is always $21.18.
So, you get a custom made jacket for about $315.00! Still much cheaper
than Wings or Flightsuits!! Plus you get it from the original maker, so
its a great deal.
And I still think you would be better off getting the arm holes made
bigger than getting the gussets. Most people feel the gussets don't
do anything, or function much other than when you raise your arms
straight up from your sides. They don't help any when driving your car.
They don't help much in regular reaching. And like Peter himself
says, a well made jacket does not need them.
Flathead
can assume they charge for them now...
5 Pounds is about $8.50 in U.S. money right now. The exchange rate
changes alot, but right now its about $1.72 U.S. money per each
British pound.
So, if your Wested is 145 pounds, thats going to be about $250.00 in
U.S. funds. Then the shipping is about 20 pounds, so thats an extra
$35.00. Then if you want, the gussets are another $8.50. Then you will
have to pay PBB their money, which is always $21.18.
So, you get a custom made jacket for about $315.00! Still much cheaper
than Wings or Flightsuits!! Plus you get it from the original maker, so
its a great deal.
And I still think you would be better off getting the arm holes made
bigger than getting the gussets. Most people feel the gussets don't
do anything, or function much other than when you raise your arms
straight up from your sides. They don't help any when driving your car.
They don't help much in regular reaching. And like Peter himself
says, a well made jacket does not need them.
Flathead
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